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https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/can-plant-based-diets-lower-your-risk-of-prostate-cancer-202212162867

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10466166/

You guys are hilarious. You lost 25 lbs because you were overweight. Being fat makes that easier. That's doesn't mean you're drastically healthier just not as fat.

If I tried to lose 25lbs it wouldn't be possible. I only carry like 10 lbs above essential.

If we looked at obesity in omnivores vs vegetarians, it's not even close.

It's hard to be houston fat and vegetarian

Again, show me an equal number of houston fat vegetarians as there are omnivores. It's not even close.

Man this panda muslim is angry. I just saw this post. Watch out!!!

Let's see those fit physiques gentleman!

bull***** complete and total bull**** in a controlled study. I guarantee it.

But, you do you and believe the studies probably done by the same folks that did the studies that said dietary fat was bad for you and we should have a low fat diet and consume bunches of carbs.

I have a bummed knee right now, my workouts have been pretty bad since the beginning of the year because of it, so I am a bit heavier than normal (like 10lbs) Still - I'm in good shape.

At 37 I out lift, out run, out bike or whatever other form of fitness outside of swimming (because i dont swim much) 99% of the world.

Found him!!!!

Release the kraken

Hungry Ojos said:

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I certainly hope he's trolling because if not, he is by far, the biggest ***** I've ever come across in 45 years on this earth.

My God.

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Not a troll. Poster has strange views. On the travel board, he blamed Texans for spreading Covid to Colorado because they would not social distance and wear masks.

Ok... Here's where your argument is flawed.

To start at the top of this tree let's say there are 2 sets of people: Those that care about their health and those that don't.

In that subset of people that care about their health there are meat eaters and plant eaters and then you can subdivide from there.

You're in the plant-eater subset and you are comparing yourself to the set of people that don't know or care about what they put in their bodies or any amount of regular physical activity.

That's a flawed comparison. Compare yourself to a meat-eater that also cares about their health, works out regularly, knows exactly what goes in their body and then you can draw conclusions.

As I said before - my health this past 5 months isn't near what it was the previous 10 years. I've messed my knee up really bad in college and it took multiple surgeries and a couple of years to get back. I've managed to not be limited by it since then by staying in great shape, but i've tweaked it and the docs dont believe surgery will help. Knee replacement or deal with it. IDK, I haven't felt like investigating further. Coming to the realization that I won't be able to do the things I love has made me relax a bit on what I am putting into my body these past few months. Still - I don't eat vegetables at all. I take athletic greens every morning with bone broth. for breakfast I eat a cup of oatmeal with some cinammon, a dash of honey, and salt and 4 eggs. for lunch I eat a cup of rice and 6.5oz of lean ground beef and an egg, and for dinner normally the same thing. We normally eat mexican food on Friday nights and we'll have something a bit tastier on the weekends like fish or bbq or whatever. There's been way more cheating lately, but that's my general diet.

I've been eating this way for quite a while now. Before that I experimented with an all meat diet, I did paleo for a couple of years, I've done IIFYM, etc... I've experimented with a lot and settled on this as I like it best.

It sounds like you may do something similar but as a vegetarian. So we can be comparable. To come on here and try to **** on anyone that doesn't eat like you like you have some superior knowledge or do things better than the rest of us is laughable and naive at best.

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JustPanda said:

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Vegetarian diet decreases the risk of almost all cancers. As someone w a predisposition, I'll cut my cancer risks wherever possible.

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Post sources.

And do you at a minimum supplement B12, creatine, carnosine and/or beta-alanine, D3, DHA, iron, calcium, zinc, and protein?

If you aren't, then you're most likely nutrient deficient in a way that is much more likely to decrease your quality of life than the potential small increase in cancer risk.

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Virtually all the data from the last 10 years or so shows that the directives on diet basically from most of the 20th and early 21st century is absolutely terrible for your health.

All the stuff about low-fat, high-carb, lots of grains, etc is terrible for us. Eat the least processed stuff you can get. Meat (not processed stuff), fish, fresh veggies (not grains or starches), real fruit, and real butter.

Growing up my mother was so terrified of fat/cholesterol she pushed margarine over real butter and now all the data shows that real butter is far healthier and not remotely the health risk it was once thought. Especially if you go with high quality, grass-fed butter like Kerry Gold.

There have been numerous studies recently debunking the prior claims about red meat causing cancer and the biggest criticism the folks advocating for the plant-based diets have is "it undermines public trust because we've been telling them red meat is bad for you for years."

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/30/health/red-meat-heart-cancer.html

https://www.doctorkiltz.com/does-red-meat-cause-cancer/

https://bigthink.com/health/red-meat-cancer-not-health-risk/

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This.

The whole "food pyramid" is pretty much garbage and almost nothing about it is correct. It was designed in a time where we thought ultra processing everything was the wave of the future and was so much better for us because the ability to fortify foods was the rage.

This is the time frame where the medical profession encouraged moms to not breast feed and instead go directly to formula. Margarine was better than butter, eggs would kill you and were to be avoided, soft drinks were good and should be consumed, etc, etc, etc.

We know now that all of that was absolutely wrong. Just like the idea that eating only vegetables is somehow healthier and reduces risks for whatever calamity you are trying to reduce risk for is also absolutely wrong. Some people will never be open to the idea that their way of thinking isn't the best out there though. Vegans are among the worst at this.

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remember when it was thought that you could smoke yourself thin?

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To be fair, you can actually smoke yourself thin.

But it's with crack, meth or heroin.

JustPanda said:

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You guys are hilarious. You lost 25 lbs because you were overweight. Being fat makes that easier. That's doesn't mean you're drastically healthier just not as fat.

If I tried to lose 25lbs it wouldn't be possible. I only carry like 10 lbs above essential.

If we looked at obesity in omnivores vs vegetarians, it's not even close.

It's hard to be houston fat and vegetarian

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Conversely, it's hard to be vegetarian/vegan and have the strength to do more than velcro your shoes on every day.

What's it like having to call your wife to open up a jar of peanut butter from the pantry?

And "carrying 10lbs above essential" isn't healthy. That's like saying you were the heaviest at Auschwitz. Not really something to be proud of or to brag about.