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Irish 2.0 said:

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aTm2004 said:

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You can't unblock the guy?

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Won't do much good to unblock the guy to tell him to open the door for the police so he can have his stolen property recovered.

This just further proves how inept a lot of LEOs are when it comes to common sense.

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I'm well aware of that, but wondering if OP could have unblocked him and sent the message as the LEO had asked.

All this ending teaches us is we can't rely on law enforcement to do their jobs, so we should take matters into our own hands

Standing by for update…….I'm guessing there is going to be a happy ending to this saga.

Irish 2.0 said:

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All this ending teaches us is we can't rely on law enforcement to do their jobs, so we should take matters into our own hands

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As a LEO, stolen dirt bikes would be low on my list of things to worry about.

Kids are dying from fentanyl over dose and human tracking is up triple digits.

Not trying to be callous, OP should have registered the bike and should have gotten a title asap. Police can only do much, in fact the dude who has the bike now, can say he bought it.

Psycho Bunny said:

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Irish 2.0 said:

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All this ending teaches us is we can't rely on law enforcement to do their jobs, so we should take matters into our own hands

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As a LEO, stolen dirt bikes would be low on my list of things to worry about.

Kids are dying from fentanyl over dose and human tracking is up triple digits.

Not trying to be callous, OP should have registered the bike and should have gotten a title asap. Police can only do much, in fact the dude who has the bike now, can say he bought it.

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Not trying to argue, but even if he had a title, what would be different in this scenario?

Psycho Bunny said:

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Irish 2.0 said:

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All this ending teaches us is we can't rely on law enforcement to do their jobs, so we should take matters into our own hands

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As a LEO, stolen dirt bikes would be low on my list of things to worry about.

Kids are dying from fentanyl over dose and human tracking is up triple digits.

Not trying to be callous, OP should have registered the bike and should have gotten a title asap. Police can only do much, in fact the dude who has the bike now, can say he bought it.

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So at what point do property crimes become of significance for LEOs? Is it $5k? $10k? $20k? Does it have to be $50k before LEOs will give a rats ass? Because I know a lot of people that losing $5k or replacing something that is $5k will hurt them a hell of a lot more than a rich person replacing something at $50k that is on your totem pole.

ConfidentAg said:

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Psycho Bunny said:

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Irish 2.0 said:

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All this ending teaches us is we can't rely on law enforcement to do their jobs, so we should take matters into our own hands

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As a LEO, stolen dirt bikes would be low on my list of things to worry about.

Kids are dying from fentanyl over dose and human tracking is up triple digits.

Not trying to be callous, OP should have registered the bike and should have gotten a title asap. Police can only do much, in fact the dude who has the bike now, can say he bought it.

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Not trying to argue, but even if he had a title, what would be different in this scenario?

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With title, police can enter the info along with the bike into TCIC NCIC. Someone tries to get a new title for bike, it will pop up as stolen.

How police should have handled it.

1. Park police vehicle down the street and around the corner
2. OP meets perp, asks to look at the bike and take it for a test ride
3. OP heads down the road, returns soon after with police following with lights and siren blaring
4. Police ask OP for license and registration. OP refers to perp for registration
5. Perp crawfishes. Police run serial number or VIN of bike and say "this has been reported stolen" and ask OP to follow them down to the station on the bike
6. Once at the station, cops give OP a ride back to perp's house to get his vehicle
7. Perp gets arrested as soon as OP drives away. Bike is parked securely at the station for OP to retrieve later
8. ?????
9. Profit

Psycho Bunny said:

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Irish 2.0 said:

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All this ending teaches us is we can't rely on law enforcement to do their jobs, so we should take matters into our own hands

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As a LEO, stolen dirt bikes would be low on my list of things to worry about.

Kids are dying from fentanyl over dose and human tracking is up triple digits.

Not trying to be callous, OP should have registered the bike and should have gotten a title asap. Police can only do much, in fact the dude who has the bike now, can say he bought it.

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In the state of Texas, if he bought from "a dealer in the course of trade", then the thief has good title even if it was stolen and OP will be told to seek recourse from that dealer. If the thief didn't buy it from a dealer, then claiming he bought stolen merchandise from an individual, will result in the OP being awarded the property if the OP can reasonably prove it was his stolen property….which it sounds like he can.

Even if OP had title, odds are that the they scratched out the VIN and having title only proves the OP once owned a similar bike. The better evidence with a scratched out VIN will be the identifying marks on a 20 year old bike. My guess is the thief is going to say he bought it from an unknown person and then just be happy to give the property back (because he supposedly bought stolen property) and be happy he is not able to be charged with felony theft.

PS…..please tell all the over-burdened LEO's in my neck of the woods about how fentanyl is more of a problem than speeding and burned out license plate lights.

Irish 2.0 said:

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Psycho Bunny said:

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Irish 2.0 said:

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All this ending teaches us is we can't rely on law enforcement to do their jobs, so we should take matters into our own hands

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As a LEO, stolen dirt bikes would be low on my list of things to worry about.

Kids are dying from fentanyl over dose and human tracking is up triple digits.

Not trying to be callous, OP should have registered the bike and should have gotten a title asap. Police can only do much, in fact the dude who has the bike now, can say he bought it.

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So at what point do property crimes become of significance for LEOs? Is it $5k? $10k? $20k? Does it have to be $50k before LEOs will give a rats ass? Because I know a lot of people that losing $5k or replacing something that is $5k will hurt them a hell of a lot more than a rich person replacing something at $50k that is on your totem pole.

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As someone who is replacing his truck because it was stolen and all law enforcement has done was show up 2.5 hours after the fact and have called me once since the incident. 50k isn't the magic number to make them care.

Here is the honest truth and it sucks. Unless you have video evidence of the perp taking the property, police won't say it to you, but their isn't much they can do for stolen property.

The value can be 1 dollar to 1 million dollars. Unless there is hard proof of perp taking said item. They are chasing a ghost and some departments don't have the man power to chase after stolen goods.

OP literally did all of the police work for them. Found the stolen item and gave them the location. Comical.

If they can't close from there I have serious doubts they're out closing any big fentanyl or human trafficking cases.

Dam.. I was hoping you get that bike back … that dude is probably selling all kinds of stolen stuff

TexDill15 said:

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Irish 2.0 said:

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Psycho Bunny said:

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Irish 2.0 said:

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All this ending teaches us is we can't rely on law enforcement to do their jobs, so we should take matters into our own hands

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As a LEO, stolen dirt bikes would be low on my list of things to worry about.

Kids are dying from fentanyl over dose and human tracking is up triple digits.

Not trying to be callous, OP should have registered the bike and should have gotten a title asap. Police can only do much, in fact the dude who has the bike now, can say he bought it.

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So at what point do property crimes become of significance for LEOs? Is it $5k? $10k? $20k? Does it have to be $50k before LEOs will give a rats ass? Because I know a lot of people that losing $5k or replacing something that is $5k will hurt them a hell of a lot more than a rich person replacing something at $50k that is on your totem pole.

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As someone who is replacing his truck because it was stolen and all law enforcement has done was show up 2.5 hours after the fact and have called me once since the incident. 50k isn't the magic number to make them care.

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That is because you have insurance to mitigate the loss. The sad commentary on society is that you have to have insurance for losses like that, thanks to all the ******** thieves in this world.

maroon barchetta said:

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How police should have handled it.

1. Park police vehicle down the street and around the corner
2. OP meets perp, asks to look at the bike and take it for a test ride
3. OP heads down the road, returns soon after with police following with lights and siren blaring
4. Police ask OP for license and registration. OP refers to perp for registration
5. Perp crawfishes. Police run serial number or VIN of bike and say "this has been reported stolen" and ask OP to follow them down to the station on the bike
6. Once at the station, cops give OP a ride back to perp's house to get his vehicle
7. Perp gets arrested as soon as OP drives away. Bike is parked securely at the station for OP to retrieve later
8. ?????
9. Profit

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Cops aren't going to use a civilian as part of a sting because if something goes wrong the civilian could then sue them.

Update:

My faith in Law Enforcement has increased a lot since my last post.

The Police Chief called me apologizing about taking awhile to get back to me. He said as they were waiting there, the guy pulled up and they questioned him. He led them to the place where the bike was kept. The Chief told me the whole time they were going there, they were ready to draw their weapons because "It was sketchy as **** and felt like we were about to be ambushed". Once they got to the place and saw the bike they called the Stolen Vehicles Unit out. The VIN was scratched off the bike and when they asked the perp where he got it from he said a guy from Oklahoma but he didn't have a bill of sale or title for it.

I asked the Chief why the perp led them out there and he said the perp told them that he figured it was stolen and didn't want to get in trouble.

So now my bike is in the possession of Randall County and I just have to wait for them to summon me to court so I can go in front of a judge to prove the bike is mine. I have plenty of pictures of the bike including ones that show the bends in the fins of the radiator matching up and other small details like that. I messaged the guy who I bought the bike from and he is willing to help me too. Is it possible for me to get body cam footage from the Police to use in my case?
If anybody has any other advice on what I need to help me prove ownership, I'm all ears.

I did unblock him and message him. I don't think it helped though.

I think the guy saying "I figured it was stolen" is going to be pretty helpful. Getting officer to text or email that he said that…..or even better the badge cam of his saying that….,should help a lot. Also, good chance he might not wish to show up in front of the judge and say "I figured it was stolen but I still bought it."

Of course in addition to all the other unique nicks and bumps that you can show.

Wait until you get the towing and storage bill.

Hopefully in a small county/ town like that you can call the judges office and arrange to get it back real soon. If not go visit his office in person.

I had a motorcycle stolen, and the officer who took the report wrote a digit of my phone number incorrectly. Thankfully my bike was recovered in decent condition, but I got $300ish in impound fees if I remember correctly while it languished due to that mistake.

I love happy endings.

StockHorseAg said:

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Update:

My faith in Law Enforcement has increased a lot since my last post.

The Police Chief called me apologizing about taking awhile to get back to me. He said as they were waiting there, the guy pulled up and they questioned him. He led them to the place where the bike was kept. The Chief told me the whole time they were going there, they were ready to draw their weapons because "It was sketchy as **** and felt like we were about to be ambushed". Once they got to the place and saw the bike they called the Stolen Vehicles Unit out. The VIN was scratched off the bike and when they asked the perp where he got it from he said a guy from Oklahoma but he didn't have a bill of sale or title for it.

I asked the Chief why the perp led them out there and he said the perp told them that he figured it was stolen and didn't want to get in trouble.

So now my bike is in the possession of Randall County and I just have to wait for them to summon me to court so I can go in front of a judge to prove the bike is mine. I have plenty of pictures of the bike including ones that show the bends in the fins of the radiator matching up and other small details like that. I messaged the guy who I bought the bike from and he is willing to help me too. Is it possible for me to get body cam footage from the Police to use in my case?
If anybody has any other advice on what I need to help me prove ownership, I'm all ears.

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If the other party doesn't show up to contest it then the judge will rule in your favor. I've done dozens of these. I don't think you will have an issue at all with prior photos and a police report of the theft.

Psycho Bunny said:

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Irish 2.0 said:

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All this ending teaches us is we can't rely on law enforcement to do their jobs, so we should take matters into our own hands

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As a LEO, stolen dirt bikes would be low on my list of things to worry about.

Kids are dying from fentanyl over dose and human tracking is up triple digits.

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Canyon is one of the safest towns in Texas. Cops aren't exactly overworked with drugs and trafficking

At some point these thieves will get what is coming to them.
Buddy of mine back in early 2005 or so had his Polaris 4 wheeler stolen. He put up pics on boards at motorcycle shops and coops all the places he thought it be seen. A couple years later in Blanco the John Deere dealership gets hit with a burglary and a Gator or two get stolen in the middle of the night. I'm sure the dealership thought the same things everyone here is saying about cops don't care. But the cops did a lot of investigating, it took a while but they caught the kids and in the process my buddy gets a call about his 4wheeler. Thieves suck, but they are stupid and always do something to get caught.
Glad you found it and stuck with it to get it back!!!

We need to form a Texags recovery group just for this purpose!

Another example of using Apple Air Tags!

So are you a LEO?

So why don't you go and become a cop and be a part of the solution? After all it is an extremely high paying job.

Gunny456 said:

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So why don't you go and become a cop and be a part of the solution? After all it is an extremely high paying job.

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Because I chose a career that I wanted and enjoy. I do my job quite well.

If cops don't like the pay in their chosen field, there are options for them to leave. No one forces them to be LEOs. But if you're going to be a cop and you have a "that's not worth our time" attitude, yeah I'm going to call it out as being ****ty law enforcement.

Hell, SCOTUS even says cops aren't required to engage a shooter, so the least they can do is investigate some property crimes when they're not setting up speed traps.

But your dismissive attitude towards people and their private property is well noted.

Yesterday said:

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Another example of using Apple Air Tags!

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I like how you think but That's not fool-proof. If you travel with an air tag that isn't connected to your phone or a phone of a contact, it informs you pretty quickly. Thieves would just take it off before arriving at its next destination.

Alpha Texan said:

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Yesterday said:

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Another example of using Apple Air Tags!

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I like how you think but That's not fool-proof. If you travel with an air tag that isn't connected to your phone or a phone of a contact, it informs you pretty quickly. Thieves would just take it off before arriving at its next destination.

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This is true if you leave it hanging on the handle bars. Admittedly this would be more difficult on a dirt bike than my Polaris Ranger but you can still hide it long enough to get at least an hour or two. No one is finding the on on my Ranger unless they strip it down and that would take numerous hours.

Nothing is fool proof but for how cheap air tags are I highly recommend them for all of your toys.

Lots of my family have had long careers in law enforcement.... one sheriff for 38 years in a very populated county....
I witnessed their dedication and guts for 60 plus years. Watched one of them severely burn his hands and legs pulling two girls out of a burning car wreck.
So please don't be so shallow minded that you make generalizations of how bad all cops are until you have spent some time doing the job.
I'll bet you have texted while driving so you have put somebody's life in danger due to your negligence and would be all defensive to a cop that ticketed you for that....
Lots of really good dedicated leo,s are quitting daily due to the BS environment they are now living in. Every PD in the country is under funded and under staffed due to the same BS.
Guys who put their lives on the line get paid peanuts but the citizens expect excellence and perfection... but the same who criticizes
are the first to complain if their taxes go up one penny to fund said entities..... to the contrary they want to defund more.... then complain more.
Yes I'm very biased to law enforcement....
I have lived it. I saw my dad spend two months to recover 5 stolen guitars from a music store and put his life on the line to do it. So don't tell me how I feel about priorities.

Good for you. I've had family in law enforcement too. Have a cousin that died in the line of duty if you'd like to look him up. Tom Patton II with Cleveland Heights. He was 30 and died chasing a suspect.

Everything you posted doesn't change the fact that you have a relatively flippant attitude towards people and the loss of their property as do most LEOs as it appears based on Psycho Bunny's post.

I'm not nor have I ever called for a defunding the police. But forgive me for expecting that they do their freaking jobs which includes investigating and perusing property theft suspects.

Where in my post did I say anything about property investigations and my lack of regard for such?
My post was based on your blanket criticizing of cops. My suggestion was that perhaps you could go be one and help fix the issues.
Also I said about my dad spending lots of effort and time to recover 5 guitars.
Think that should about cover it.

Also sorry for your loss. I appreciate your " good for you" comment.

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So are you a LEO?

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No, just my experience with LEOs that seem annoyed that I even bothered to call them when my **** gets stolen.

Once, i had the people on video stealing my ****, found out who they were and spoon fed it to detectives. Those people later got pulled over with my camera in their car that had pictures of themselves taken the night of the crime and pictures of my laptop in their house. LEOs hadn't even bothered to check the camera and didn't bother to charge them with an overwhelming amount of evidence.

One went on to drag an officer I know down the road while he was hanging out of her window. Another is doing 45 years for assault with a deadly weapon and the other has stayed out of trouble the last few years, but I sincerely hope he ends up in PMITA prison after he ****s up again.

Furthermore, the man that recklessly killed my stepson and gave my stepdaughter a paralyzing TBI is walking free because of our incompetent local LEOs.