I hope this question doesn't seem vague but on pistol models that come with and without safeties (original Shield), does carrying a pistol equipped with a safety always in the safety off position the same as a pistol with no safety. Another words, the trigger response and firing mechanism will be identical. I have a few pistols that I wish were no safety models so I always carry with the safety off. No I'm not drunk. Thanks.

Double action or single action? Big difference in trigger pull between a double action revolver with no safety and a single action Kimber with a manual safety. My brother has a Sig that is double action first pull and single thereafter, perfect solution IMO.

I have a couple models with and without safety and could not tell the difference. I never carry a handgun with a safety with the exception of a 1911. I don't want to be in a situation where the safety could be on and not realize it. I train the way I carry and would not see a reason to carry a model with a safety vs without. If I am at the lease or doing work in the country, I am typically carrying with a safety which is the only reason I own them.

Both S&W striker fired. One a Shield and the other a 9C.
Yeah I have several DA/SA Sigs

I carry single action only as a preference. I don't care if it's striker fired or sao as long as out single action. One trigger pull to rule them all.

Ok thanks. I like carrying the Shield and like the way it shoots. It's just the safety is so tiny on that pistol, a stressful situation may be a challenge finding it if it's in the on position. The da/sa Sigs are no problems. Draw and fire.

The shield safety is so small that I don't use it either.

Wouldnt carry a 1911 cocked with no safety on but a striker fired m&p wouldnt concern me as long as it was in a quality holster.

I've got a .380 Ruger (use a pocket holster) with a hard trigger pull that is DAO. It has no safety and I like it.
My Sig .45 is SAO and has a fairly light trigger pull. I keep the safety of but when you pull the trigger back and set in man was I nervous. Had to learn to not put my finger anywhere near the trigger until ready to fire. I finally got used to it but it still a bit unnerving.

Bender, a shield carried with safety off should be exactly same as one with no safety, right?

And Bender, another question on the Shield. The Apex trigger with install by someone is gonna run $200, right?

as a lefty, I struggle with the safety on a striker-fire pistol. I have gone through several iterations of safety or no safety. I finally settled on a DA/SA with ambidextrous safety. It allows me to carry with a round in the chamber and the confidence that I have safety and the ability to draw and take the safety off in one smooth motion.

Yeah I'm probably not doing myself any favors by having such different guns in my carry rotation. Shield with safety, Sig P238 (cocked and locked), CZ P01 and Sig P225A1 both da/sa. Split second decision to draw and fire might do me in.

Don't some guns lack some internal safety mechanisms hence having the external safety?

I'd practice as if the safety were engaged on the off chance that it became engaged somehow while carrying.

Would hate for that split second realization that the safety was engaged and I thought it wasn't.

I've never had these problems/drama with my glocks.

Holster that covers trigger, safety off, ready to go.

If you carry anything with a safety then practice disengaging it on the draw. I carry striker fired G43X and was out in the brush at the ranch and got uncomfortably close to a pig and when I tried to shoot the safety on the 1911 I decided to carry was on. I hadn't practiced disengaging, got too used to draw/fire. Luckily it wasn't a real life / death situation.

Dry fire. The pandemic and endless zoom meetings have been great. Dry fire all day!

I am assuming you are asking this question about the internals wondering if you can just remove or somehow otherwise permanently disengage the safety?

Rockdoc said:

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Yeah I'm probably not doing myself any favors by having such different guns in my carry rotation. Shield with safety, Sig P238 (cocked and locked), CZ P01 and Sig P225A1 both da/sa. Split second decision to draw and fire might do me in.

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This is the correct answer. Badass gun.

Rockdoc said:

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Bender, a shield carried with safety off should be exactly same as one with no safety, right?

And Bender, another question on the Shield. The Apex trigger with install by someone is gonna run $200, right?

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I think the internals are the same on the safety and non safety models but I'd have to double check that.

No experience with Apex M&P triggers, though I have friends that like them. I have some other stuff from Apex that I like, but my Shield is stock.

HumbleAg04 said:

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Holster that covers trigger, safety off, ready to go.

If you carry anything with a safety then practice disengaging it on the draw.

Dry fire. The pandemic and endless zoom meetings have been great. Dry fire all day!

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Best advice here.

Personally, I'll never own a gun that has a manual safety. Too many things that can go wrong and keep your from going BOOM! in a SHTF scenario.

agsalaska said:

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Rockdoc said:

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Yeah I'm probably not doing myself any favors by having such different guns in my carry rotation. Shield with safety, Sig P238 (cocked and locked), CZ P01 and Sig P225A1 both da/sa. Split second decision to draw and fire might do me in.

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This is the correct answer. Badass gun.

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Yeah the P225A1 is my favorite pistol I own, and I have a P226 legion. Even being only 8+1, I still carry it.

AggieBarstool said:

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HumbleAg04 said:

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Holster that covers trigger, safety off, ready to go.

If you carry anything with a safety then practice disengaging it on the draw.

Dry fire. The pandemic and endless zoom meetings have been great. Dry fire all day!

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Best advice here.

Personally, I'll never own a gun that has a manual safety. Too many things that can go wrong and keep your from going BOOM! in a SHTF scenario.

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Must suck going through life missing out on the joy of owning/shooting 1911s

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Same

For those that like stories about carrying Model 1911s, look-up Charlie Miller, a famous Texas Ranger. I met him in the late 1960s when he was working out of Mason. This was near the end of his Ranger career. He carried a 1911 stuffed down his pants beside his belt buckle. His rather ample belly nearly covered the grip. It was a beautiful piece with amazing engraving. He carried it on half cock with a leather strap holding down the safety. This method sort of redefines how to safely carry a 1911. The Shooting Times has a good article about Charlie and his 1911 (Google is your friend).

Rockdoc said:

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agsalaska said:

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Rockdoc said:

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Yeah I'm probably not doing myself any favors by having such different guns in my carry rotation. Shield with safety, Sig P238 (cocked and locked), CZ P01 and Sig P225A1 both da/sa. Split second decision to draw and fire might do me in.

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This is the correct answer. Badass gun.

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Yeah the P225A1 is my favorite pistol I own, and I have a P226 legion. Even being only 8+1, I still carry it.

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I was hoping when I saw this that you were going to say it was your least favorite pistol and would love to sell it to me.

8+1 is plenty.

Did we ever actually answer OP's question?

I believe with the shield and 9c...I have both as well. When you disengage the safety, it is effectively the same gun as a shield or 9c without a safety. Meaning, you still have the firing pin block for the drop safety, and you still have the dingus safety on the trigger itself.

Is that what you are asking?

Durkin Nowitzki said:

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Did we ever actually answer OP's question?

I believe with the shield and 9c...I have both as well. When you disengage the safety, it is effectively the same gun as a shield or 9c without a safety. Meaning, you still have the firing pin block for the drop safety, and you still have the dingus safety on the trigger itself.

Is that what you are asking?

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Yes exactly and I appreciate the answers. Maybe you can answer this…the safety on my 9C is BIG and floppy and actually too easy to flip. Is there any way to firm up that safety. All you have to do is barely touch it in either direction and it moves. I'd rather have a discernible click.

"Did we ever actually answer OP's question?"

Since when has that ever been an issue here?

malenurse said:

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"Did we ever actually answer OP's question?"

Since when has that ever been an issue here?

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This is not f16. This board is always helpful.