Dad suddenly passed last month. Mom asked my little brother and I to get the farm equipment put back in the shed, some things done in the shop and pastures etc...

So I walk in the shop and find this





A stationary square baler. Mom says it is my and EskimoJoe Jr's. It does not have an engine but it does have a flywheel, a crank, and a belt drive pulley to transfer power from something that does have an engine. I turn the flywheel and all moving parts seem to do what they are supposed to do. Dad left a rolled up round baler belt on it. Not sure if it is to be the one to run off the tractor, or the belt that runs on the the machine itself on the opposite side shown. The belt on that side runs off the shaft that is turned by the belt coming off the tractor. It has the remains of a wooden pulley on the other end of the belt drive shaft . I will somehow have to figure out how to make it or have one made.

It will be a nice mate for the model B tractor

This was my wife's grandfather's tractor many years ago. My father in law and his brothers put a lot of hours on it. 4 generstions (5 if they have another family get together) have sat in that seat.

Of course mom alse insisted we take these home some day. EskimoJoe Jr will need a project in a few years



the one in front is a 1928 D. They pulled it around a few years ago but couldn't get it to fire. Dad thought it needs a magneto. I couldn't get the flywheel to spin so it must have got stuck since then. I will pour some diesel in the cylinders next time i am down there. The one you can't really see in back is a 1923. Dad did have it running. I didn't have time to mess with putting fuel in it and draining it back out, but it did roll over and the magneto is hot. Its going to have to find a parade next year to celebrate its 100th birthday.

Is the 1923 a "spoker" D?



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One of the most sought after variations of the Model D has a spoked flywheel. The first 5,846 model D's built had a spoked flywheel, most likely a hold over from the Waterloo Boy design. These flywheels proved problematic with many cracking around the keyway.

The first 829 D's built had a spoked flywheel that was 26 inches in diameter and was later replaced in 1924 by a thicker 24 inch diameter flywheel. The smaller flywheel didn't improve the design and in 1926 Deere switched to a solid flywheel.

These early spoked flywheel D's are sought after by collectors and can bring upwards of $20,000 US dollars. Aumann Vintage Power still holds the record for the highest price Spoked Flywheel D sold at auction.

In 2012 the completely restored Model D with spoked flywheel brought $210,000 US dollars on the Lake Side Farms Tractor & Engine Collection Auction. Follow this link to see the tractor sell at the auction,

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https://classictractorstv.com/top-5-d-collectors-want/

cryption said:

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What ya having made?

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2023 GMC Sierra 3500HD Been on the waiting list since October 2021...

unfortunately, neither have the spoke or nickel hole flywheel.

EskimoJoe said:

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unfortunately, neither have the spoke or nickel hole flywheel.

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Strange, the 1923 should have had one or the other. I wonder if it came with the spoked flywheel, but it cracked and got replaced.

nice dude! Post up pics when you get it!

CanyonAg77 said:

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EskimoJoe said:

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unfortunately, neither have the spoke or nickel hole flywheel.

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Strange, the 1923 should have had one or the other. I wonder if it came with the spoked flywheel, but it cracked and got replaced.

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If it did come with one, I'm betting it got changed sometime in the last 99 years as they were prone to failure. Deere might even have had a program on them to get them changed, which makes the spokers and nickle holes even more scarse. The only spoker D I will probably ever have is the Ertl model sitting on the shelf in my office.

Similar thing happened with the "low radiator Gs". First few hundred were shipped with a too small radiator, and I think Deere replaced them with the later version. It's rare to find a G with the early radiator, thus desirable.

I've got two relatively desirable. Unstyled L with less than 1400 produced, and a late 40s/early 50s Gibson Super D2. Fewer of them around, only 75 listed on the collector's registry. Unknown how many made, since the owner burned all the factory records in the middle of an investigation by the feds. Not as expensive, since it's not a popular collectible, like the L.

I had a '38 G (well, what was left of it) with a low-radiator serial number. Of course it was one the owner had taken in the same way and had Deere update it to the taller, more efficient, radiator. I didn't think I was ever going to find the low radiator parts to make it original and sold it to another collector. I'm pretty sure it just found a new place to continue to rust into the ground. That dang PIP (product improvement program), as they call it now, made a lot of rare tractors even rarer.

Typing while canyon was posting. I'll leave it there.

Centerpole90 said:

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Typing while canyon was posting. I'll leave it there.

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The extra info is appreciated

Mr. AGSPRT04 said:

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I still remember the first time my dad took me to an NHRA event at Baytown 30 years ago. It's a sound (and smell) experience that a microphone just doesn't do justice.

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No words can explain the sound and feel of top fuel. It's just something that has to be experienced. So much fun. Burnout after burnout. Pass after pass. I'm trying to to blink to catch it all.

I took a girl to a top fuel event at the track in Sequin years ago. We were in the pits and one was about to fire up to set the clutch. I told her she better cover her ears and she smugly told me she could handle it (weird thing to try and be tough about).

That thing turned over and she hung in there. But when they smashed the throttle to set the clutch, she took off running. It was hilarious.

No nitro dump?

We were all looking at the engine. Nobody noticed the crew was wearing gas masks.

Centerpole90 said:

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I had a '38 G (well, what was left of it) with a low-radiator serial number. Of course it was one the owner had taken in the same way and had Deere update it to the taller, more efficient, radiator. I didn't think I was ever going to find the low radiator parts to make it original and sold it to another collector. I'm pretty sure it just found a new place to continue to rust into the ground. That dang PIP (product improvement program), as they call it now, made a lot of rare tractors even rarer.

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I think of that sometimes when we are doing PIPs. Are we ruining the value of this machine by performing this PIP? We have to do them, at least the mandatory ones as it factors into our dealer score with CNH. Even the targeted PIPs get done as it usually corrects a problem with the machine's functionality. I seriously doubt the machines of today will be a big hit as antiques. We have some controllers that are obsolete on machines in use today. I cant imagine restoring a 60 year old tractor and having to come up with a series of working computers and the miles of wiring that goes into these things. Back in 1923, the guy plowing with the ole D had no idea what that spoke flywheel would be worth. All he wanted was a tractor that would run and make him a living.

I agree with you that today's tractors won't have the collector following that the ones we play with do. That's not to say there won't be one off's; take for instance the 4640 that sold for a bunch of money a couple years ago and the news held it out as an example of producers going back to old tech because of 'right to repair' when actually it was because it was a 4640 with something silly like a couple hundred hours on it. There will always be those special ones that get set aside or are the first built or the last built, but by-and-large I just don't see barns full of these machines lined up. The size and scale of them alone eliminates a lot of their desirability as toys.

Only thing better is watching them at night.

In my youth I had a '63 Impala with a 327. Lots of issues with that old car but that engine was solid. It roared. Loved it.

Engine sounds, I'll leave here for Eskimojoe in case he hasn't seen where I posted it in Canyon's old tractor thread.

Grew up listening to my Dad race around the sky in this.

18,000lbs of thrust per engine

Edit:. I was way off on engine thrust figures. Either way, they can rattle an entire house. I grew up thinking that was normal

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Grew up listening to my Dad race around the sky in this.

50,000lbs of thrust per engine

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If you want a good read go read up on the F-4 Terminator 2020. They're still flying and still pretty badass for a 3rd gen fighter.

They tried killing that plane off for years, took them forever to do it. One of the greatest fighter planes ever built.

Listening to those things scream overhead never gets old.

Yeah engines are alright. They do sound great.

But steam turbines are where its it's at.

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Grew up listening to my Dad race around the sky in this.

50,000lbs of thrust per engine

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Iconic aircraft. Loved watching them fly and got the chance to see one fly at an airshow a few years ago. Great sounding engine. Sadly, the wet thrust (afterburner) is closer to 18,000lbs of thrust per engine. Still for its time it was a world beater for speed and time to climb!

Now this beast was a pleasure to have your eardrums busted out to at airshows. The B and D models with the F-110 engines was incredible. Around 28-30k lbs of thrust per engine at full afterburner. So with both on full blower 60k of thrust.

yeah, i saw it in the other thread. Those are neat. The exposed push rods, the sound of the hit and miss engine. They were so simple and durable. They ran at such a low rpm so the engine had less wear per hour. To find a survivor is awesome, considering it has survived the WW2 scrap drives, the upswing in scrap prices when the younger generation decides to clean out the old weed patch, etc...

Get to mess with these massive engines (it's even in some of their names) every third day or so.

Free range steam.

cryption said:

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Lots of cool stuff in here! I enjoy the sound of a V8. My favorite V8 is the LS platform, but don't tell that to the Hemi I daily. I will say I've been overall impressed with the Hemi. Get's good mileage, doesn't sound bad, and it has plenty of power to tow. Considering an exhaust, I'm so picky on sound it'll be weeks of youtube clips

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Borla XR-1 3" SI/SO, pick up y-pipe, buy what tips you want online, take to good exhaust shop and have them bend and route the pips the way you want. Done for less than $600 and it sounds amazing at idle, floored, and a gentle hum on the highway.

Thanks I'll look into that! I've had good luck with Borla in the past - I do lots of highway driving so I'm trying to avoid a lot of drone

it's a straight through muffler, no drone