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Texas Constitutional Carry passes House

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5:52p, 4/15/21
Texas House passed HB1927, now it goes to the Senate.
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5:56p, 4/15/21
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Outstanding!
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5:58p, 4/15/21
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https://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/articles/news/politics/guns/2021/04/14/395788/supporters-of-permitless-carry-for-texas-gunowners-feel-momentum/

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Raul Camacho, chief firearm instructor at Safety Measures, disagreed with that thinking.
"Just like any other amendment that we have or any constitutional right that we have there's rules in place," he told Houston Public Media. "The logic that constitutional carry or any of the Bill of Rights that we have is absolute is incorrect."
Camacho is part of a group of license-to-carry instructors that voiced their opposition to constitutional carry bills on the steps of the Texas Capitol Tuesday.

Shocking!!!
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6:28p, 4/15/21
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II am certain to be in the minority, but I prefer the license. I believe a certain level of training should be a requirement.
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In reply to Unemployed • 6:43p, 4/15/21
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I can see the LTC trainers being against this. It will kill their businesses.
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In reply to IamGroot • 6:43p, 4/15/21
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IamGroot said:
II am certain to be in the minority, but I prefer the license. I believe a certain level of training should be a requirement.


I used to think this way, but I believe the police will be neutered in the coming years. People have to protect themselves and their families from what is coming. Exercising a constitutional right should require no training.
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In reply to IamGroot • 6:53p, 4/15/21
A blind man with little gun knowledge can pass that test.
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In reply to Bird Poo • 6:54p, 4/15/21
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PearlJammin said:
IamGroot said:
II am certain to be in the minority, but I prefer the license. I believe a certain level of training should be a requirement.


I used to think this way, but I believe the police will be neutered in the coming years. People have to protect themselves and their families from what is coming. Exercising a constitutional right should require no training.

The data from the other states that have it already is more than enough to make me feel fine about it.
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In reply to average_joker • 6:59p, 4/15/21
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I'd like to read about this. Do you have a link?
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In reply to IamGroot • 7:00p, 4/15/21
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IamGroot said:
II am certain to be in the minority, but I prefer the license. I believe a certain level of training should be a requirement.
Should you have to have a license to practice religion? Speech?
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In reply to Unemployed • 7:07p, 4/15/21
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RealTalk said:
https://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/articles/news/politics/guns/2021/04/14/395788/supporters-of-permitless-carry-for-texas-gunowners-feel-momentum/

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Raul Camacho, chief firearm instructor at Safety Measures, disagreed with that thinking.
"Just like any other amendment that we have or any constitutional right that we have there's rules in place," he told Houston Public Media. "The logic that constitutional carry or any of the Bill of Rights that we have is absolute is incorrect."
Camacho is part of a group of license-to-carry instructors that voiced their opposition to constitutional carry bills on the steps of the Texas Capitol Tuesday.

Shocking!!!


If the bill dies in the senate, don't forget Camacho and his friends.
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In reply to BCStalk • 7:23p, 4/15/21
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No
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In reply to Unemployed • 7:23p, 4/15/21
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It's almost as if he has a financial interest in requiring a LTC.
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In reply to Gunny456 • 7:23p, 4/15/21
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In reply to BCStalk • 7:25p, 4/15/21
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A blind man with little gun knowledge can pass that test.

Yep. There was a man in my class who had to be in his 50s who had never shot a gun before. The instructor had to show him how to load the mag, rack the slide, etc. Come the shooting part, he sent one to the top right of the target of the gal to his left. Dude passed.
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In reply to aTm2004 • 7:26p, 4/15/21
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It's almost as if he has a financial interest in requiring a LTC.
Exactly.

He is not entirely wrong. But his motives are obvious.



I hope this passes. It should pass.
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In reply to EMY92 • 7:29p, 4/15/21
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EMY92 said:
I can see the LTC trainers being against this. It will kill their businesses.
Yeah I know. I was being sarcastic.
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In reply to aTm2004 • 7:34p, 4/15/21
We had a lady in ours that shot the ground a couple times. Her shooting was not terrible once she figured it out, but it seemed that she had little to no practice. Looking at her target she probably passed. I'm assuming she had her finger on the trigger at low ready but I couldn't see from where I was standing.
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In reply to GSS • 7:57p, 4/15/21
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GSS said:
Texas House passed HB1927, now it goes to the Senate.


Think it still has to go through3rd reading tomorrow before it heads to the senate. But it passed 2nd reading,today 85-56, which is a solid majority.
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average_joker said:
PearlJammin said:
IamGroot said:
II am certain to be in the minority, but I prefer the license. I believe a certain level of training should be a requirement.


I used to think this way, but I believe the police will be neutered in the coming years. People have to protect themselves and their families from what is coming. Exercising a constitutional right should require no training.

The data from the other states that have it already is more than enough to make me feel fine about it.


This. 21 other states have it already, if it was problematic, we would know.
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7:58p, 4/15/21
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So what's the likelihood this actually passes?
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In reply to TheEyeGuy • 8:18p, 4/15/21
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TheEyeGuy said:
IamGroot said:
II am certain to be in the minority, but I prefer the license. I believe a certain level of training should be a requirement.
Should you have to have a license to practice religion? Speech?


The way things are going we might need licenses for religion and speech in 2-4 years.
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8:22p, 4/15/21
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Haven't seen the bill. Will they still offer a LTC to allow reciprocal carry in other states that still require the license?
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In reply to EMY92 • 8:25p, 4/15/21
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EMY92 said:
I can see the LTC trainers being against this. It will kill their businesses.


If the only way you can generate business is a government mandate that people use your services, you absolutely deserve to go out of business.

People who teach skills will continue to be able to fill classes.
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In reply to schmellba99 • 8:26p, 4/15/21
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It is good but has a hidden down side. Example. Missouri some other states passed it but because of no CCL or LTC needed, now all folks have to be called in for background check for firearm purchases from a FFL. ...whereas before you could show the dealer your CCL Or LTC and he did not have to call it in like Texas.
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In reply to BenderRodriguez • 8:27p, 4/15/21
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This.
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So does the LTC program go away completely if they pass this? Or would it still be available to those that want to take the class and qualify for reciprocity purposes in other states when travelling?
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Most states that have open carry still have the option to still get the training to get a LTC. Thus having the LTC if traveling out of said state to states that have reciprocy. Missouri is an example of such.
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In reply to Van Buren Boy • 9:00p, 4/15/21
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RealTalk said:
https://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/articles/news/politics/guns/2021/04/14/395788/supporters-of-permitless-carry-for-texas-gunowners-feel-momentum/

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Raul Camacho, chief firearm instructor at Safety Measures, disagreed with that thinking.
"Just like any other amendment that we have or any constitutional right that we have there's rules in place," he told Houston Public Media. "The logic that constitutional carry or any of the Bill of Rights that we have is absolute is incorrect."
Camacho is part of a group of license-to-carry instructors that voiced their opposition to constitutional carry bills on the steps of the Texas Capitol Tuesday.

Shocking!!!


If the bill dies in the senate, don't forget Camacho and his friends.


https://crumpy.com/letter-from-ltc-instructors-of-texas-to-house-members/

https://www.scribd.com/document/503038622/Letter-From-LTC-Instructors-of-Texas-to-House-Members
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In reply to EMY92 • 9:03p, 4/15/21
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EMY92 said:
I can see the LTC trainers being against this. It will kill their businesses.


Yet mostly the class covers the legal framework that we're bound to when carrying. This eliminates that.
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9:18p, 4/15/21
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We have a right to carry a weapon, but what amount ammunition? Is ammunition spelled out? The courts could have fun with that if a license to purchase ammunition was required. Yes I know a weapon without ammunition is almost worthless except as a club.
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9:23p, 4/15/21
Good, it needs to pass. It's about time the great state of Texas better recognized our rights under the 2nd Amendment. Creating a "qualification" to exercise a right that our Constitution guaranteed to every citizen was poor thinking from the start. We are now just passing a law that reiterates what was already laid out a couple hundred years ago. I'll be happy to see this pass in the state Senate and go to Governor Abbott.
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