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In reply to Old RV Ag • 1:23p, 5/7/20
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That's what you took from the facts I posted? Its directly off their label
But you never explain with any evidence about your choices. You just call dog food 5* review brands which is marketing and based on people basing it mostly on what their dog "likes"


I mentioned previously that years ago I did a lot of reading/researching on dog foods. It's been years and products change over time. But the first 3 or 5 ingredients is suppose to be what makes up the bulk of what's in the dog food.

What else do you want to know? I posted a few cheap/crappy brands that all have corn listed as their #1 ingredient. I listed a few higher end brands that have either a meat product or rice as their #1 ingredient.

If Mr. Vet in texags is comfortable pushing off corn filled dog food for your dog... have at it


You really are a special type of stupid. What kind of degree did you get to go along with "research"? You seem like the type that wouldn't vaccinate your kids either.


I vaccinate my kids and keep them out of this conversation

Staff, you allow this?
Priceless coming from the guy who said "If Mr. Vet in texags is comfortable pushing off corn filled dog food for your dog... have at it"


Yeah, totally inappropriate
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In reply to Texanick • 2:14p, 5/7/20
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Texanick said:
I recently got an English cocker spaniel and it's been a while since I've had a puppy. My springers have always eaten Eukanuba, but the puppy doesn't seem to like it as much and it is getting much harder to find. Does anyone have have a dog food they like for a bird dog? Purina Pro, Science Diet, etc?


I would never have thought that a simple question of what dog food brand does anyone recommend would create such passionate discourse.

In case anyone was wondering I decided to give Purina Pro Plan a try.
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In reply to Slamn Sharpe • 2:14p, 5/7/20
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McDadeTXAggie said:
Old RV Ag said:
McDadeTXAggie said:
meggy09 said:
McDadeTXAggie said:
Old RV Ag said:
McDadeTXAggie said:
That's what you took from the facts I posted? Its directly off their label
But you never explain with any evidence about your choices. You just call dog food 5* review brands which is marketing and based on people basing it mostly on what their dog "likes"


I mentioned previously that years ago I did a lot of reading/researching on dog foods. It's been years and products change over time. But the first 3 or 5 ingredients is suppose to be what makes up the bulk of what's in the dog food.

What else do you want to know? I posted a few cheap/crappy brands that all have corn listed as their #1 ingredient. I listed a few higher end brands that have either a meat product or rice as their #1 ingredient.

If Mr. Vet in texags is comfortable pushing off corn filled dog food for your dog... have at it


You really are a special type of stupid. What kind of degree did you get to go along with "research"? You seem like the type that wouldn't vaccinate your kids either.


I vaccinate my kids and keep them out of this conversation

Staff, you allow this?
Priceless coming from the guy who said "If Mr. Vet in texags is comfortable pushing off corn filled dog food for your dog... have at it"


Yeah, totally inappropriate
*rolls eyes*
Amazing - all these expensive dog foods, all this "research," all these feverish attacks, yet you don't spend 4.99 to have *rolls eyes* emojis. This is adding up to a pure troll account.
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2:57p, 5/7/20
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I don't think he's a troll(well maybe on this thread, hard to say). I believe he read a bunch of stuff online and made some decisions for his own dog. Now he's relaying what he believes based on his research. I would agree that logically you would think that if an ingredient is higher on the label it would have more of it in the dog food than the stuff listed below. However we have had vets come on these threads over and over and say the dog food manufacturers manipulate the ingredients to make certain ingredients higher on the list than they actually are. The same vets have talked about animals they have seen that had problems with certain brands that some would say are higher end. I think one of the vets put it best earlier when they said there is no one food that is best for every dog.
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In reply to Slamn Sharpe • 3:24p, 5/7/20
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Is it legal to lie about the content of the product? Is there a system in place that tests the claims? Why do people experience weight issues with their dogs on cheap dog foods such as Ol Roy which is believed to be filled with corn and other fillers? Why do people have the opposite experience with their dogs when they use "premium" dog foods?


Good god, I hope you're a troll or crazy. Otherwise I don't know what to say. I think you're confused about the definition of filler. That is supposed to be something added to the diet that isn't digested, so how in the world are they getting fat on it? It really boils down to total calories, doesn't really matter where the calories come from. I can make almost any dog or cat lose weight with any diet on the market by just feeding them the right amount of calories. Problem is that most people feed too much. I see multiple dogs and cats on diets that you're touting every day that are obese and gaining weight on those diets. I've said this before, but vets would have 10-20 % less revenue if people actually did what we recommend for diet.
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In reply to Texanick • 3:28p, 5/7/20
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Texanick said:
I recently got an English cocker spaniel and it's been a while since I've had a puppy. My springers have always eaten Eukanuba, but the puppy doesn't seem to like it as much and it is getting much harder to find. Does anyone have have a dog food they like for a bird dog? Purina Pro, Science Diet, etc?


I would never have thought that a simple question of what dog food brand does anyone recommend would create such passionate discourse.

In case anyone was wondering I decided to give Purina Pro Plan a try.
For all the masculinity this board espouses, there are a bunch of nancies who can't handle someone having an opinion different their own.
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In reply to bmfvet • 3:44p, 5/7/20
Thanks for avoiding the questions I specifically asked. As I've said over and over. It's a little "odd" that cheap, crappy dog foods have corn listed #1. Some of the highest end dog foods dont have it listed at all
Carry on
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4:06p, 5/7/20
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We feed Pro Plan to our 6 month old pup, and she's doing great on it. Loves it. Vet recommended it or Science Diet. I was also a victim of the "Premium Grain Free" dog food with our last dog. I'm still not sure I'm over the negative advertising all those "premium" brands did against Science Diet, hence choosing Purina. Anyway, we fed our old dog Taste of the Wild for years. She went from seemingly healthy to exhibiting really strange symptoms to dead in a matter of a few days at 12 years old. I never thought much about it because she was a 12 year old Doberman. Then all the negative news started coming out about grain free pet foods, particularly Taste of the Wild. I have no way of knowing, but it makes me sad to think that I *Might have* poisoned my dog.

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4:29p, 5/7/20
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5:38p, 5/7/20
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Ole Roy and table scraps......Catahoula with plenty of room to run. Healthy and happy.
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7:18p, 5/7/20
For you that don't know deboned chicken translates to chicken bones and feathers
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In reply to SCQ • 7:24p, 5/7/20
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For you that don't know deboned chicken translates to chicken bones and feathers
This. When all the chicken eggs hatch, the male chicks are unwanted for either egg or meat production. They are thrown whole (and alive) into a grinder to make a chicken meal which can be used in many places - one being dog food. So many thin they're buying premium dog food made with boiled premium chicken breasts.
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In reply to Old RV Ag • 7:37p, 5/7/20
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Old RV Ag said:
SCQ said:
For you that don't know deboned chicken translates to chicken bones and feathers
This. When all the chicken eggs hatch, the male chicks are unwanted for either egg or meat production. They are thrown whole (and alive) into a grinder to make a chicken meal which can be used in many places - one being dog food. So many thin they're buying premium dog food made with boiled premium chicken breasts.
Neither of you are correct. Deboned chicken meal is the process of pressing the bone out of a trimmed carcass and leaving a product consisting of meat and skin, or using poultry meat and skin.

The below is from AAFCO the primary regulating agency when producing pet food.

Poultry By-Product Meal: consist of the ground, rendered, clean parts of the carcass of slaughtered poultry, such as necks, feet, undeveloped eggs and intestines, exclusive of feathers except in such amounts as might occur unavoidably in good processing practices. The label shall include guarantees for minimum crude protein, minimum crude fat, maximum crude fiber, minimum Phosphorus (P), and minimum and maximum Calcium (C). The Calcium (Ca) level shall not be more than 2.2 times the actual Phosphorus (P) level. If the product bears a name descriptive of its kind, it must correspond thereto.
This ingredient is equivalent to poultry byproducts, except they are rendered so that most of the water and fat has been removed to make a concentrated protein or mineral ingredient.

Poultry Meal: the dry rendered product from a combination of clean flesh and skin with or without accompanying bone, derived from the parts or whole carcasses of poultry or a combination thereof, exclusive of feathers, heads, feet and entrails. It shall be suitable for use in animal food. If it bears a name descriptive of its kind, it must correspond thereto.
This is basically rendered poultry, so most of the water and fat has been removed to make a concentrated protein/mineral ingredient.


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In reply to Old RV Ag • 7:37p, 5/7/20
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At least it's not being wasted
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But is it 5-star rated???
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7:49p, 5/7/20
Thanks for correcting and the knowledge. I've told my city friends for years who think they are getting beef, fish, chicken in their dog food it was only bones, scales and a little blood. The whole baby chick really does have a lot of feed value
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7:49p, 5/7/20
I work with a veterinarian with a PhD in monogastric nutrition. He feeds Ol Roy.
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In reply to AnScAggie • 7:51p, 5/7/20
Doesn't matter, they lie in the ingredients label anyways

Deboned chicken could very well be ginseng
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In reply to AgEng98 • 7:52p, 5/7/20
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I work with a veterinarian with a PhD in monogastric nutrition. He feeds Ol Roy.


Just goes to show you that a degree doesn't always translate
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In reply to Old RV Ag • 7:53p, 5/7/20
Old RV Ag said:
SCQ said:
For you that don't know deboned chicken translates to chicken bones and feathers
This. When all the chicken eggs hatch, the male chicks are unwanted for either egg or meat production.


This is only correct in table egg pullet hatcheries. Meat chickens (broilers) are mixed sex. There are some specialized production models that are male only as well.
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McDadeTXAggie said:
AgEng98 said:
I work with a veterinarian with a PhD in monogastric nutrition. He feeds Ol Roy.
Just goes to show you that a degree doesn't always translate
What's your degree in? Assuming you actually have one.
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In reply to Old RV Ag • 7:59p, 5/7/20
Forget about it. He's a troll. He's abrasive at a minimum or a straight up ******* in pretty much every thread he posts in.
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In reply to Old RV Ag • 8:08p, 5/7/20
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McDadeTXAggie said:
AgEng98 said:
I work with a veterinarian with a PhD in monogastric nutrition. He feeds Ol Roy.
Just goes to show you that a degree doesn't always translate
What's your degree in? Assuming you actually have one.


Firearms Technology

What's yours?
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Forget about it. He's a troll. He's abrasive at a minimum or a straight up ******* in pretty much every thread he posts in.
You're absolutely right. He's a troll and ******* - just sad they've found their way to OB.
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meggy09 said:
McDadeTXAggie said:
Old RV Ag said:
McDadeTXAggie said:
That's what you took from the facts I posted? Its directly off their label
But you never explain with any evidence about your choices. You just call dog food 5* review brands which is marketing and based on people basing it mostly on what their dog "likes"


I mentioned previously that years ago I did a lot of reading/researching on dog foods. It's been years and products change over time. But the first 3 or 5 ingredients is suppose to be what makes up the bulk of what's in the dog food.

What else do you want to know? I posted a few cheap/crappy brands that all have corn listed as their #1 ingredient. I listed a few higher end brands that have either a meat product or rice as their #1 ingredient.

If Mr. Vet in texags is comfortable pushing off corn filled dog food for your dog... have at it


You really are a special type of stupid. What kind of degree did you get to go along with "research"? You seem like the type that wouldn't vaccinate your kids either.
Thats a really harsh response.This a thread about dog food. Just dog food.
The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you never know if they are genuine. -- Abraham Lincoln.



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In reply to Slamn Sharpe • 8:18p, 5/7/20
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McDadeTXAggie said:
Doesn't matter, they lie in the ingredients label anyways

Deboned chicken could very well be ginseng


Thank goodness you don't consult to pet food manufacturers and I do instead. And no they don't lie. It's a fairly regulated industry. Also, I can almost guarantee you your fancy dog food is produced by CJ Foods, or was at one time. They produce about 45 or so of the most expensive dog foods on the market. Most of the dog food manufacturers people claim to be the "newest" and the best do not even have their own mill and rely on CJ or Diamond to make it for them. A few mentioned in this thread are examples.
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In reply to Slamn Sharpe • 8:21p, 5/7/20
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Whether it is Texags, Nextdoor or some other forum, there are people that show up continually making an idiot of themselves. You have achieved idiot status in my mind going forward. Congrats. And yes, I know that name calling is not nice.

Back to the subject.
I have been feeding Pro Plan for a little over a year to my two golden retrievers. Prior to that we were feeding the Costco Nature's Domain brand and prior to that Taste of the Wild. I believe Costco Nature's Domain brand is essentially the same thing as Taste of the Wild. The ingredients and nutrition panels were very similar and both are made by Diamond. I've never had a problem with any of the foods but when the heart issue stuff started popping up and my breed and the food I was feeding were very commonly associated with the issues I made the switch to Pro Plan.
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In reply to AnScAggie • 8:22p, 5/7/20
AnScAggie said:
McDadeTXAggie said:
Doesn't matter, they lie in the ingredients label anyways

Deboned chicken could very well be ginseng


Thank goodness you don't consult to pet food manufacturers and I do instead. And no they don't lie. It's a fairly regulated industry. Also, I can almost guarantee you your fancy dog food is produced by CJ Foods, or was at one time. They produce about 45 or so of the most expensive dog foods on the market. Most of the dog food manufacturers people claim to be the "newest" and the best do not even have their own mill and rely on CJ or Diamond to make it for them. A few mentioned in this thread are examples.


It's why I asked on the 2nd page if it was against the law to lie about the ingredients. I knew it was regulated but the others are hell bent on "it's all a lie" theory and wouldn't answer my question(s)

I don't buy expensive dog good. I buy a food made by Purina. If my budget for dog food opened up I would go with something better but this works and they like it.
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In reply to MEENag • 8:23p, 5/7/20
Thank you so much
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8:39p, 5/7/20
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I have walked the manufacturing line several times at Mid America Pet Food who makes Victor Dog Food. It's definitely made in Texas by good people. The only drawback if that the facilities manager is a big longhorn. If you can let that slide, it's a good choice.
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McDadeTXAggie said:
Thanks for avoiding the questions I specifically asked. As I've said over and over. It's a little "odd" that cheap, crappy dog foods have corn listed #1. Some of the highest end dog foods dont have it listed at all
Carry on
I'd like to try to answer this for you. The reason cheaper dog foods may have corn listed in the top 5 ingredients is because we grow a crap ton of it in the US. This makes it a cheap source of energy in many foods and feeds. It is far from a "filler" and is in fact second only to fat in terms of common macro-ingredient energy density. The reason expensive foods don't use it or use limited amounts is for marketing. Our media and agenda driven overlords have decided that corn and its co-products are the cause of our obesity, diabetes, arthritis and autism among other ailments. I would suggest that if the US grew a crap ton of rice instead of corn that rice and its co-products would be blamed for all these ailments. What I'm getting at is these premium dog foods are using the naivete of the American public to sell corn is bad. They are doing the same in human food marketing.
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Mid America sold it a couple of years ago.
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9:52p, 5/7/20
OB loves our dogs and we all feed them the best. Interesting the debate this created?
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My last Lab I fed the PetSmart brand of "all natural" food...sweet potato and salmon...for years until I found out he had dysplasia. The last 11 months of his life he was on a prescription diet from Hill's (makers of Science Diet I believe). I still wonder if the 5.5 years that I fed him an all natural, grain free food caused him to develop a heart issue and if that killed him. I'll never know, but he developed an odd cough about 3 months before he passed unexpectedly and mysteriously.

So for the new pup, feeding Royal Canin Lab Puppy food. Recommended by the breeder. He seems to do pretty well on it. If I wasn't feeding Canin, I'd probably do Purina Pro Plan. I won't stray from the big 3 brands again unless recommended by my vet.
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