Prince of Poachers
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Last: 2 yr ago by Shoefly!
Solid post. Blue parachute awarded.
Cupofjoe04, thank you for your civil and intelligent post. FWIW, I agree with your perspective. Please remember that simply because I know someone, it doesn't equate to condoning what they did at an earlier time in their life.
I don't know if there are even any profits being generated from his book. In fact, I only learned that it had been published earlier today. My suspicion is that if there are any profits they would be minimal. You too may want to reach out to him directly and suggest some positive approaches going forward that would help to improve his image. I agree with you that there's room for improvement.
For the record, the Game Wardens have made Charlie the poster child for what not to do. Because of his past, it's likely that they watch him more closely than any other person in Texas. They also work closely with him to learn of poaching and other illegal activities. It what he means by "leaving the dark side for the light."
And while his social media post may not communicate what you would like to read, they are not representative of the person he is today.
I don't know if there are even any profits being generated from his book. In fact, I only learned that it had been published earlier today. My suspicion is that if there are any profits they would be minimal. You too may want to reach out to him directly and suggest some positive approaches going forward that would help to improve his image. I agree with you that there's room for improvement.
For the record, the Game Wardens have made Charlie the poster child for what not to do. Because of his past, it's likely that they watch him more closely than any other person in Texas. They also work closely with him to learn of poaching and other illegal activities. It what he means by "leaving the dark side for the light."
And while his social media post may not communicate what you would like to read, they are not representative of the person he is today.
I totally believe you, and appreciate your opinion (and attitude). I sincerely pray he is a changed man, and can find ways to be a positive influence in the world around him.
You are likely correct about the book not making money; because the vast majority of self-published and new authors don't make any money on a book. It doesn't change the fact that his whole website and FB page are aimed at that, though, through the lens of glorifying what he did and how elusive he was. I know and work with more than my fair share of rehabilitated people (some truly, and some not; but most somewhere in between). If I were him, I would want to ensure my profiles reflected who I really was.
You are likely correct about the book not making money; because the vast majority of self-published and new authors don't make any money on a book. It doesn't change the fact that his whole website and FB page are aimed at that, though, through the lens of glorifying what he did and how elusive he was. I know and work with more than my fair share of rehabilitated people (some truly, and some not; but most somewhere in between). If I were him, I would want to ensure my profiles reflected who I really was.
Theres a Prince of Poachers Facebook page with tons of negative comments about his book. He responds to most of them by referring to these people as "haters". He also brags about, "counting his money". Nobody likes negative criticism, but he sure doesn't seemed reformed in the least. Once again, maybe all that is coming in part 2 if you want to spend $30 to read it.. I will not!
The public image, to me, seems to be one of a wannabe Billy the Kid who writes a book. He seems to want and embrace the "outlaw" moniker. Personally, I think he should be a case study for psychopathy.
agwarrior said:
One of the stories he tells is about not having ammo, so instead of waiting and buying some ammo when the stores open he makes his own using old brass and bullets/powder from another caliber. He admits that he knew nothing about reloading.. Anyway, he sneaks into the Kenedy and shoots 3-4 bucks but they keep running off. He then decides to shoot a small 10 point just to see where the bullet lands. He too runs off(and dies after assuredly suffering like the rest). The story has a happy ending after he once again sneaks onto the Kenedy the next season and finds the remains of a couple of the trophy deer and recovers the antlers.
So he's not just a poacher, he's an ******* as well.
And we have different definitions of happy ending.
The happy ending part is sarcasm..
I also know Charlie and I cannot stand the man. You can usually find him in walnut springs. Every time I see him he is begging for money. He is not reformed in my opinion and very proud to tell you his story. Last I saw him he was taking advantage of a guy that has a ranch in walnut springs. Was supposed to do work on the ranch in exchange for money and a second chance at life. We warned the landowner about how Charlie is not a guy you want hanging around your place, but the owner tried to help him anyway. Long story short Charlie found out the ranch owner has a son that is a preacher. All of a sudden Charlie is now a changed man because of this relationship and got an idea for part two of his book. Charlie knows how to build a sob story to people that can be easily taken advantage of. He is a snake. Just my opinion.
He's a POS and every GW knows it.
AgEng06 said:
You're a lot better at these "words" things than I am. Good post.
You know what they say, "Some people have a way with words, some not have way."
Classic!
Isn't Ryan Wilson from Wilson Combat? I'm almost positive that's correct. I talked to one of the Wilsons on the phone once years ago.cupofjoe04 said:Seriously. Hyperbole much?rootube said:
I don't know who Ryan Wilson is but if this book is a close second to the bible that guy needs to spend a lot more time reading.
Bill Wilson is the founder of WC. Maybe he has a son, brother, nephew named Ryan though
Seaaggie1144 said:
I also know Charlie and I cannot stand the man. You can usually find him in walnut springs. Every time I see him he is begging for money. He is not reformed in my opinion and very proud to tell you his story. Last I saw him he was taking advantage of a guy that has a ranch in walnut springs. Was supposed to do work on the ranch in exchange for money and a second chance at life. We warned the landowner about how Charlie is not a guy you want hanging around your place, but the owner tried to help him anyway. Long story short Charlie found out the ranch owner has a son that is a preacher. All of a sudden Charlie is now a changed man because of this relationship and got an idea for part two of his book. Charlie knows how to build a sob story to people that can be easily taken advantage of. He is a snake. Just my opinion.
In the book he told of a kid that he befriended whose family had a section of land that bordered the Kenedy ranch. The kid invited him on a hunt and after baiting the fence lines they went ahead and crossed over and poached some deer. From that point on he pretty much considered the place his personal "lease" and used that place to access the Kenedy for years. He even talked about how all the other family members didn't want him on the place but it didn't seem to slow him down a bit. Unless he's seriously reformed, he's definitely not the kind of guy you would want to give property access to. You may never get rid of the guy..
I agree. Problem is the landowner is in bad shape health wise. So the preacher is now running the ranch and trying to reform Charlie. It's sad because I do believe in second chances, but Charlie is not remorseful. He seems proud of it. He is just saying the right things to keep having ranch access. It's sad to see from my end.
Seaaggie1144 said:
I agree. Problem is the landowner is in bad shape health wise. So the preacher is now running the ranch and trying to reform Charlie. It's sad because I do believe in second chances, but Charlie is not remorseful. He seems proud of it. He is just saying the right things to keep having ranch access. It's sad to see from my end.
Certain people know how to prey upon those with kind and generous hearts. You have to have a strong BS meter to make it as a preacher.
What goes around, comes aroud
Cupofjoe04, you're right about a Preaching needing a strong BS meter. One is needed for this thread as well!
Several of the negative critiques posted here are dubious and not based on truth and/or fact as I know it. Instead, they come across as manufactured, malicious, and self-serving.
I'll offer some examples.
Agwarrior claims that Charlie brags on his FB page about "counting his money." I've looked and don't see such a comment. Perhaps I'm not looking in the right place. And, we've already agreed that the book is unlikely to generate any significant revenue to count.
Agwarrior also claims that his FB page has "tons of negative comments." I've looked and have seen a few but certainly not "tons." In fact, his FB page has more than 19K "Likes" and "Followers". Look for yourself:
https://www.facebook.com/Princeofpoachers/
The poaching that took place was over a twenty-two year period; from 1976 to 1998. That's 21 to 43 years ago. It hasn't happened since.
Regarding the story of the "second chance" the Preacher offered him, it isn't true. Charlie has a successful Taxidermy business with a clientele from across the country that includes celebrities like Ted Nugent. Go to his FB page and look at the examples of his work. The facts speak for themselves.
https://www.facebook.com/Princeofpoachers/
And, why would a person in their 60's, with an established, successful business, leave it for a "second chance" working on a ranch? Does that seem to be a bit far fetched? Again, a "second chance" for what?
As a side note, Charlie is a third generation Preacher's son. He knows his way around the Bible better than most people.
In one of my earlier posts, I mentioned that he works closely with the Game Wardens. The reason that I know this is because they visit his business just as they probably do with most Taxidermists. People tend to boast about things they shouldn't have done and it gets them in trouble. I suspect there is a Warden reading this thread now with a keen interest in what can be learned.
A final point, if Agwarrior and his colleagues are so opposed to Charlie and his book, they should have thought about keeping it to themselves. By posting on the OB, they keep this thread at the top of the page and thus pique readers curiosity. The longer the conversation continues, the more exposure and better for Charlie. Many readers will go to his FB page, just as the other 19K+ have, make their own judgements, and some will purchase his book. There's nothing an entrepreneur likes more than the free advertising on the TexAgs OB!
Several of the negative critiques posted here are dubious and not based on truth and/or fact as I know it. Instead, they come across as manufactured, malicious, and self-serving.
I'll offer some examples.
Agwarrior claims that Charlie brags on his FB page about "counting his money." I've looked and don't see such a comment. Perhaps I'm not looking in the right place. And, we've already agreed that the book is unlikely to generate any significant revenue to count.
Agwarrior also claims that his FB page has "tons of negative comments." I've looked and have seen a few but certainly not "tons." In fact, his FB page has more than 19K "Likes" and "Followers". Look for yourself:
https://www.facebook.com/Princeofpoachers/
The poaching that took place was over a twenty-two year period; from 1976 to 1998. That's 21 to 43 years ago. It hasn't happened since.
Regarding the story of the "second chance" the Preacher offered him, it isn't true. Charlie has a successful Taxidermy business with a clientele from across the country that includes celebrities like Ted Nugent. Go to his FB page and look at the examples of his work. The facts speak for themselves.
https://www.facebook.com/Princeofpoachers/
And, why would a person in their 60's, with an established, successful business, leave it for a "second chance" working on a ranch? Does that seem to be a bit far fetched? Again, a "second chance" for what?
As a side note, Charlie is a third generation Preacher's son. He knows his way around the Bible better than most people.
In one of my earlier posts, I mentioned that he works closely with the Game Wardens. The reason that I know this is because they visit his business just as they probably do with most Taxidermists. People tend to boast about things they shouldn't have done and it gets them in trouble. I suspect there is a Warden reading this thread now with a keen interest in what can be learned.
A final point, if Agwarrior and his colleagues are so opposed to Charlie and his book, they should have thought about keeping it to themselves. By posting on the OB, they keep this thread at the top of the page and thus pique readers curiosity. The longer the conversation continues, the more exposure and better for Charlie. Many readers will go to his FB page, just as the other 19K+ have, make their own judgements, and some will purchase his book. There's nothing an entrepreneur likes more than the free advertising on the TexAgs OB!
He must clean up his Facebook page periodically. It has been popping up on my Facebook feed periodically for months as "something thats been suggested for me". That is a whole other conversation.. Anyway, before I happened upon the book I was familiar with the subject and had read a lot of the negative comments. Anyway, I don't have to make things up to make this guy any more of a POS than his book and his general attitude towards his "Haters" already make him out to be.
JKC I thought you were done posting for a more few years?
I decided to take a look at his comments to see if I could find the "counting his money" one. I didn't find that, but I did find some gems.
Yup, he's definitely gone from "the dark side to the light." But that's not the whole story - as he says in every post, "read the book!"
I don't think it's about money for him. I think he's looking for fame and justification for what he did.
- He stopped poaching when he got caught, then two police officers convinced him to pick it back up
- Poaching was God's way of healing him after his divorce
- His poaching was vengeance against the state of Texas for how it wronged him in his divorce
- He still thinks he "deserved all the unimaginable hunting" he had because of his sad little life
- He still regrets nothing
Yup, he's definitely gone from "the dark side to the light." But that's not the whole story - as he says in every post, "read the book!"
I don't think it's about money for him. I think he's looking for fame and justification for what he did.
Jkc- I never said that he didn't do taxidermy or have a job. I said he has sold a sob story to a ranch owner that is now helping him by letting him guide hunts on his ranch to make extra money. Ted Nugent used to hunt that ranch which is why Charlie got his taxidermy business. Hint ted probably didn't know about his past. Just probably had Charlie on the hunt and Charlie offered to do the taxidermy work. Ted has not been back to the place in years do it makes me wonder if he found out about Charlie??? Charlie is in pictures with Ted from the hunts with Ted at the ranch. Are you sure he isn't using the pictures from the hunt and claiming he did the work for taxidermy? Knowing Charlie he's probably not telling you the whole truth about the pictures.
If you do not know that Charlie is getting help from the landowner 's son that's a preacher you haven't been around Charlie. My family used to work on that ranch. I saw the script for the book at the ranch before it was published. It made me sick. I will give Charlie credit in the fact that he did tell the landowner about his past before going to work there as a supplement to his taxidermy job. It's just the landowner was sold a sob story to get that job and the landowner is a great guy that believes in second chances.
You do know Charlie was trying to sell his book in Dallas hunting shows and got kicked out of the show correct?
If you do not know that Charlie is getting help from the landowner 's son that's a preacher you haven't been around Charlie. My family used to work on that ranch. I saw the script for the book at the ranch before it was published. It made me sick. I will give Charlie credit in the fact that he did tell the landowner about his past before going to work there as a supplement to his taxidermy job. It's just the landowner was sold a sob story to get that job and the landowner is a great guy that believes in second chances.
You do know Charlie was trying to sell his book in Dallas hunting shows and got kicked out of the show correct?
Like I said in my first post, it's a crazy story and he is not without his faults. And no, I don't understand why he did the things he did either. Somewhere out there I hope there's a doctor who can help him with PTHD (Post Traumatic Hunting Disorder).
He's not a hunter. Never has been.
Seaaggie1144, I'm convinced that you do in fact know Charlie and that what you're saying is the truth.
On a personal note, if I've said anything to you that is incorrect or impolite, I offer you my apology.
On a personal note, if I've said anything to you that is incorrect or impolite, I offer you my apology.
No offense taken. I just hate what he did. I hope I didn't offend you.
What you said.
Let's try to change the conversation from one of character assassination to one of encouraging others to be better stewards of the environment and the States resources.
Let's try to change the conversation from one of character assassination to one of encouraging others to be better stewards of the environment and the States resources.
And after we do that let's invite Ole Charlie to your ranch and we can all sing Kumbaya around the camp fire.
whether Charles is a ****head or not, his stories fascinate me. I hate poaching just as much as the next person but I cant help but enjoy hearing about it. I just listened to a podcast with him on it and he's surprisingly a hell of a story teller.
He's a great story teller. Exactly why so many people try and give him second chances. I admit the book was fascinating. I just don't agree with what he did. Now he gets to profit from it.
Like the "wolf of Wall Street" guy. How much did he make from his book and movie? And now a motivational speaker.
HighCountry69 said:
This was a fascinating story and well worth the $ and time. Yeah, the grammar was terrible and the story was hard to follow at times, but Charlie never claimed to be a scholar. I personally have no problem with the trespassing, just because there is very little public land in TX. If you're not well to do, you're not hunting quality land in TX. There's plenty of public land in other states that provide an opportunity for a quality hunt, why not TX. All that being said, I don't know how Charlie lives with himself. I couldn't kill a deer, cut off its antlers and just let the meat be wasted. To hell with the fatcat rancher's pocket book, but to take a life for no other reason than for a trophy or a thrill, is just sickening. I can see buying a hunting license and sneaking on those ranches to kill the legal bag limit once a year, but not just anytime you wanted. Conservation is important, but the trespassing thing, that's Texas's fault. There are ways to create public land ownership for the people. It needs to be done. I believe that Charlie can be forgiven. As far as profiting from all of this, it's probably not right, but everyone has to make a living and before we go jumping on this little guy and his small profit, we should look at the bigger picture. Pick on the wasted tax dollars by the government or some other BIG problem first!
This guy bumps a 3 year old thread, is a rookie, has 69 in his username, and is OK with trespassing. Seems legit.
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