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fightingfarmer09 said:

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Can a bicyclist answer an simple question for me?

If two or three cars or farm equipment stack up behind you, why is it unacceptable to pull off into a driveway and let them pass?

Hell I do that in my car if I'm slowing up traffic.

I'll admit I developed a primal hatred of bikes while watching the blow through every stop sign on campus (hello Chem building) but park 5 minutes too long and the campus police are out towing a vehicle.

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cyclists are clipped in, it is not practical to pull over, unclip and get back up to 20+ mph. Cycling is not easy. It is a grueling mental and physical challenge. Is it really difficult for a motor vehicle to be patient and pick an opportunity to pass safely? We do this all the time on FM roads behind joe grandpa in a single cab 1970s pickup going 45.

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So I'm supposed to be patient with 20' wide equipment nearly blocking the whole road and dodging roadside signs for 5+ miles down to the next field because someone doesn't want to pull over 30 seconds into a driveway?

You are either a vehicle or not.

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fightingfarmer09 said:

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But my point is the cyclists get to do as I say and not as I do?

You literally would rather endanger others lives and those riding for a stretch of multiple miles than pull over and let said farm equipment traffic by?

If I'm in a truck, I'm in agreement. But farm equipment on a farm road specifically maintained for farm use, is not enough to slow down and move over?

Do you just blow by cops with lights on too?


Seriously I don't get this whole argument. If these cyclists were in a vehicle and sight seeing or driving slow with a spare tire, they would move over or pull over to let traffic by. But you put a tiny piece of metal between their legs and spandex and they won't share the road.

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cevans_40 said:

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I don't cycle on public roads because of the attitude of most in this thread. I cycle using a trainer and an online app.

But cycling isn't just exercise.

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If you aren't riding your bike to and from work/school, then it is merely exercise (especially when dressed up like Lance Armstrong). I get it. Some people are so self absorbed that they believe the world revolves around themselves. I am not advocating running them over, just wish they could keep it in the gym or home where it didn't cause others issues.

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it was a farming town and everyone we passed or held up was family or I knew them.

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When we first married, I asked my Houston-raised wife why she didn't wave at oncoming traffic. Her answer was basically that it was dangerous to do that in Houston, plus she didn't know them.

I assured her that they all knew who she was, and she would know them soon, so wave.

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eric76 said:

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fightingfarmer09 said:

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fightingfarmer09 said:

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Can a bicyclist answer an simple question for me?

If two or three cars or farm equipment stack up behind you, why is it unacceptable to pull off into a driveway and let them pass?

Hell I do that in my car if I'm slowing up traffic.

I'll admit I developed a primal hatred of bikes while watching the blow through every stop sign on campus (hello Chem building) but park 5 minutes too long and the campus police are out towing a vehicle.

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cyclists are clipped in, it is not practical to pull over, unclip and get back up to 20+ mph. Cycling is not easy. It is a grueling mental and physical challenge. Is it really difficult for a motor vehicle to be patient and pick an opportunity to pass safely? We do this all the time on FM roads behind joe grandpa in a single cab 1970s pickup going 45.

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So I'm supposed to be patient with 20' wide equipment nearly blocking the whole road and dodging roadside signs for 5+ miles down to the next field because someone doesn't want to pull over 30 seconds into a driveway?

You are either a vehicle or not.

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Yes, you are.

Pulling into someone's driveway would be stupid. Besides, it's not always easy to back up a plow and in some cases it is practically impossible.

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Sometimes I ride my bike to the local bayou to catch carp on the fly (ya know- outdoors related!). There are a lot of pesky stop signs in the neighborhood, when I don't seen anybody coming, I blow through them... gotta get to the fishing hole! If a car is coming, I stop.

When can I get A Doss sticker for my bike, I voted!

Be nice in the road, it sux when people try to kill you. I've had beer bottles and slurpees thrown at me. Had somebody try and run me off the road once, ended in an altercation in the middle of the damn highway (yea, POS meth head needed to stop in the middle of the highway. This was on a lightly travelled road with a huge shoulder, which we were on!).

Both groups need to show a little patience and follow the spirit of the law. When cars and bikes are in proximity or traffic is an issue follow the letter of the law. Cyclist do get 3' but always lose. It is wise to take up more space when there isn't room for a car to pass. Pull over and let traffic by if it becomes a problem but better yet, pick a different route. There are Many roads that I "have a right to ride" in Houston that you wouldn't catch me on!

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fightingfarmer09 said:

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eric76 said:

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fightingfarmer09 said:

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Ragoo said:

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fightingfarmer09 said:

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Can a bicyclist answer an simple question for me?

If two or three cars or farm equipment stack up behind you, why is it unacceptable to pull off into a driveway and let them pass?

Hell I do that in my car if I'm slowing up traffic.

I'll admit I developed a primal hatred of bikes while watching the blow through every stop sign on campus (hello Chem building) but park 5 minutes too long and the campus police are out towing a vehicle.

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cyclists are clipped in, it is not practical to pull over, unclip and get back up to 20+ mph. Cycling is not easy. It is a grueling mental and physical challenge. Is it really difficult for a motor vehicle to be patient and pick an opportunity to pass safely? We do this all the time on FM roads behind joe grandpa in a single cab 1970s pickup going 45.

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So I'm supposed to be patient with 20' wide equipment nearly blocking the whole road and dodging roadside signs for 5+ miles down to the next field because someone doesn't want to pull over 30 seconds into a driveway?

You are either a vehicle or not.

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Yes, you are.

Pulling into someone's driveway would be stupid. Besides, it's not always easy to back up a plow and in some cases it is practically impossible.

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Huh?

Why is pulling over into a driveway when you are on a bike slowing down farm equipment (me) a bad idea?

In the Brazos bottom we get a few racers, but primarily out of shape Houstonians that want to "see" nature. At a snail's pace and in the middle of the road.

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fightingfarmer09 said:

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Did the cattle drive on the FM road a few times during these floods. But we had the County close the roads first.

Worst part was the city cops coming out with flashing lights thinking they were helping.

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You do realize, don't you, that most bicycle riders also drive cars and pay road taxes. Also, the amount of wear and tear on the highways from bicycles is vanishingly small. The amount of maintenance costs to highways to deal with road wear caused by bicycles is probably $0.

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Weekend rides that shut down streets, traffic due to a peleton of cyclists slowing down the overall flow of cars, etc. all represent a bit of a hijacking of the system for personal pleasure or fitness.

Modern roads weren't built for cyclists. Cyclicists take advantage of roads anyway causing headaches for people using the roads for their intended purpose, which is people travelling at a much faster speed and obeying a distinct set of rules that cyclists usually ignore.

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FWIW, I find that emoji inappropriate for our comments.

However, your point (that I addressed) was that the use was recreational, not the improper use. If the use is improper, the purpose becomes irrelevant. If, however, the purpose becomes the issue, that applies to all vehicles. So no, it's not apples to oranges.

As to model airplanes, etc, that's apples to oranges. Roadways are for transportation of humans and their goods. A bicycle is using the roadway for transportation, so it is the same activity as a motorized vehicle, just much, much slower.

And I agree with you on recreational uses, they should all be a lower priority that non-recreational transportation. BUT, that opens a can of worms. If riding my bike to work is different from riding my bike for a fun ride, then that would have to apply to my car as well.

So, we're right back to the issue of appropriate use, not the purpose of use. Which this thread has covered very well.

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MODS CAN WE SHUT THIS DOWN

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Curious as to why this would warrant a lock? It looks like 6 pages of entertainment to me with 8500 views so far. It definitely brightened up my rather dull Monday morning.

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What exactly are we arguing? I contend the activity is BOTH recreational and inappropriate. I think you're accusing me of being inconsistent if I fail to complain about motorcycle and vehicle rallies. Is that it?

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What exactly are we arguing? I contend the activity is BOTH recreational and inappropriate. I think you're accusing me of being inconsistent if I fail to complain about motorcycle and vehicle rallies. Is that it?

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Bicycles can be used for transportation, basketball goals, etc can not. Bicycles are vehicles. Roads are for vehicles. Therefore a bicycle can use a road appropriately as well as inappropriately. Whether the purpose of said use is recreational or business is immaterial.

Both bicycles and motorized vehicles can be used for recreational purposes on a road. If one is allowed, and the other not, then the recreational use is irrelevant. Only appropriate use is relevant.

And I agree, as I've stated several times, that many of the road uses by bicycles are inappropriate. However given the number of times Harleys have done an even more efficient job of blocking the road, and for much longer distances, yes, to be consistent they should be thrown in as well.

Note: I take that emoji as blowing a raspberry, sticking out my tongue at someone. Essentially an acceptable flipping off.

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JSKolache said:

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Effing hate bikes, esp groups, on 2-lane roads

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I just don't understand all this "clipped in" stuff. When I road bikes we were bare footed and had bandages on both big toes.

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Everyone clips in bro. Get with the times.

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BCStalk said:

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I just don't understand all this "clipped in" stuff. When I road bikes we were bare footed and had bandages on both big toes.

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Everyone clips in bro. Get with the times.

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