When I got my P938 SAS, I carried it unchambered for a little while. I can't even tell you why. I have carried Glocks my entire life, loaded, ready to go, but when I got my P938, I somehow felt it was safer to carry unloaded. The reason for that is complete lack of confidence in my weapon and lack of familiarity with it.

I now carry it fully chambered, but honestly, what I dislike most about it....the fact it has a manual safety on it. I had to practice for some time to quick draw from concealment, flick off the safety and fire. When I was carrying Glocks...none of that was a concern. Somehow, I felt 'safer' with my Glock...I still kinda do. I'm 94% confident in my Sig...I'm 100% confident in my Glock. It's going to draw, I won't have to take my safety off, it's going to fire...every...single...time. Because of that, I shoot better with it. It's just so GD fat and uncomfortable to carry. LOL.

And I take every expert's advice with a grain of salt. It's valuable information. If I don't like it, I don't use it. I happen to like Bender's info as someone with more experience than I have on the subject. I think we should all just kinda chill the f--- out though. Carry a gun..don't carry a gun...chambered..unchambered....we're supposed to be laughing at a moron with a gun in law enforcement who is expected to be better educated and informed than most who almost killed another human being by ND.

DatTallArchitect said:

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I enjoy your contributions to this forum, but your posting style has changed since working on getting your firearm instructor business going stronger. I'm reminded of an old saying, "it's not what you say, but how you say it." If you're not effectively creating change, then you're no more than a clanging cymbal making noise. You have a lot to contribute, and know how to communicate real well when it comes to trying to persuade the anti-gun crowd to 2A rights. Try using that posting style more.

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Thank you. I'll consider what I say on here more carefully. I don't think my posting style has changed any (and think the reactions in this thread have more to do with people disliking my opinion on this topic than how I say things), but it's possible I'm just not seeing something that's obvious to others. I've had a big life change recently (expecting first child), and it's possible I'm more stressed about it than I realize and that's coming through in how I write subconsciously. I'll try to be more careful about how I post.

Final thoughts and I'll bow out of the thread:

If anyone feels they were personally insulted for their carry choices, I apologize. I didn't intend to call anyone stupid, but I can see how my joke about backflips and Israeli carry could be taken the wrong way.

Speaking of taking things the wrong way, I've said it before, but I need to say it more often it seems. I don't consider myself the end all, be all expert on anything. I am not the best shooter on this board, or the best instructor on this board. If my posts have come across otherwise, I didn't mean them to do so. I'm just sharing my point of view based on my own experience and training. That's it. I don't expect my word to be final or taken as gospel with no debate, and don't think anyone is stupid or wrong just because they challenge any of my conclusions.

That being said, unchambered vs chambered just flat out isn't the same as 9mm vs 45, Glock vs 1911, revolver vs semi auto. There are instructors and shooters I respect and admire who can eloquently argue for any of the above convincingly. There are very few things in regards to self defense/shooting that you see a near consensus from instructors and shooters on. Carrying a chambered gun for self defense is one of the exceptions to that rule, and I still urge anyone who thinks it's a good idea to seek out additional training because it just isn't taught by anyone worth your time and money. Speaking of that, it won't be me, because I'm done teaching until at least the fall, so please don't take this urging as shilling for my own stuff (which I try to do for free for yall most of the time anyway). I'm not saying "get more training" because I want yall to pay me or I need to boost my business. I'm saying "get more training" because I can't think of a single trainer who advocates Israeli carry, and I know guys teaching who I think a lot of that are die hard opposite from me on every other handgun argument mentioned. It's less safe for a lot of reasons, and above all I want my fellow Ags to be better trained, safer, more effective shooters.

If anyone wants a more detailed version of the issues I have with Israeli Carry (the history of the name is enlightening as to why it was originally developed and why that doesn't apply to or help a concealed carry person in the US, by the way), feel free to shoot me an IM. I'm backing out of this thread since I riled up some folks and am coming across the wrong way to some of yall.

what.a.tool

bonfarr said:

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I haven't seen word on the shooter but the victim gets free drinks for life, hopefully he was a local and can make use of that offer.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxnews.com/us/2018/06/04/patron-shot-by-fbi-agent-at-colorado-nightclub-to-receive-free-drinks-forever.amp.html

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Free drinks are great but if I were him I'd be more concerned about getting that clown's badge.

bonfarr said:

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I haven't seen word on the shooter but the victim gets free drinks for life, hopefully he was a local and can make use of that offer.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxnews.com/us/2018/06/04/patron-shot-by-fbi-agent-at-colorado-nightclub-to-receive-free-drinks-forever.amp.html

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Did they ever say the nature of the wound? Graze shot? What part of the leg? I know a few people who might trade a graze wound to say a calf in exchange for free drinks for life.......

God's honest truth:


I really think this guy will go on to retire from the FBI or some other federal LE organization.

They'll all make little jokes and digs about it at his retirement party.

Sasappis said:

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I have been busy today, any official word on the shooter?

I remember a case from here in Texas a few years ago where someone shot another patron at a restaurant. I think the guy was adjusting or moving his weapon. I forget the details but I believe he was charged and plead out to some sort of reckless endangerment charge.

I think it is clear that a civilian would face criminal charges on top of serious civil liability. This guy should be held to a similar standard.

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Strongly disagree. The agent should be held to a MUCH MUCH higher standard. He is a highly trained LEO who has been given significant extra-legal "powers" over civilians and plays by a different set of rules concerning carrying weapons. In return for these " powers" he is REQUIRED to perform at a MUCH higher standard of responsibility, maturity and JUDGEMENT !
As stated you or I would be INSTANTLY charged with a variety of crimes including canceled weapon violation ( if his BAC was even slightly elevated ) , reckless endangerment and unlawful weapon discharge. He should be terminated and face the full force of the system.
We allow these guys to enforce the laws and empower them with all manner of special privileges and exemptions from the laws we HAVE to obey..in return we DEMAND a level of performance above what we require from Joe Citizen.

Probably wouldn't have happened if he went to a school that allowed dancing.

I can't believe his casual hands up gesture at the end, as if to say, 'my bad, no harm, no foul'. He didn't seem to care two sh**s about what just happened.

That wasn't an accidental discharge. Negligent



And carrying while drinking. Within a month or two it will be announced he's resigned.

Your definition and the bureau definition are not always the same. There's a lot of stupid stuff that goes on, it doesn't end a career.

our favorite dancing fbi agent was officially turned in and jailed today

https://www.denverpost.com/2018/06/12/dancing-fbi-agent-arrest/

From that article

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A screen grab of a gun discharging...

when Bishop picks it up, the gun fires.

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No. The dips**t pulled the trigger.

I'm not a cop hater by any means, but I also despise the special treatment that LEOs (especially federal) sometimes get. I'm glad to see this guy is actually being punished.

A shame a career will be ruined and over but that's an inexcusable act on his part. He's incredibly lucky someone wasn't killed.

The shame part was regarding throwing a career away with such an idiotic act.

After everything that clown did to become an FBI agent, he pissed it away for a night out in a club and that is a shame.