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I bet Willie shat himself when he saw what Phil said from a business standpoint.

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It's not about the "gay and transgerdered duck hunters" as someone said. It's about a massive marketing deal with companies like Wal-Mart, Academy, etc... And if you don't believe me, I have two words for you... PAULA DEEN.

"Today, we showed the resolve of the United States. Today we made a statement to the world... That you can hit us, you can knock us down, but we're gonna get up. And when we do, we will find you and kick your ass!"
- Robert E Clark II, Cpt USN, Commandant of Midshipmen May 1, 2011

Stive - I think the show will go on without Phil. His role has been slowly declining anyways, per his desire I think. Phil is a smart guy - he knew exactly what he was saying in that interview. He obviously doesn't care what people think of him as long as he sticks to what he believes in, and I applaud him for that. Maybe he was/is getting tired of the show anyways and how it sometimes portrays his family. Maybe this was his way of saying Si-Yonara. He probably would rather be out in the woods alone anyways, and it's not like he needs the money from A+E.

Email sent. God Bless Phil Robertson.

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Stive - I think the show will go on without Phil. His role has been slowly declining anyways, per his desire I think. Phil is a smart guy - he knew exactly what he was saying in that interview. He obviously doesn't care what people think of him as long as he sticks to what he believes in, and I applaud him for that. Maybe he was/is getting tired of the show anyways and how it sometimes portrays his family. Maybe this was his way of saying Si-Yonara. He probably would rather be out in the woods alone anyways, and it's not like he needs the money from A+E.

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Right, so you think the guy who doesn't care what people think of him will go through this extra effort to get kicked off the show on someone else terms versus him just saying Nope to any more shows?

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Right, so you think the guy who doesn't care what people think of him will go through this extra effort to get kicked off the show on someone else terms versus him just saying Nope to any more shows?

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I don't he went through extra effort by choosing to speak his mind in a GQ interview. All I'm saying is I doubt he cares about getting suspended.

For the record, I'm in support of Phil here.

Well, they have slienced him. F A&E. I hope he pulls the plug.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2013/05/10/Duck-Dynasty-Star-If-We-Can-t-Mention-God-Or-Guns-Then-We-re-Done-Filming

I'm not sure how much he cares. But from articles I've read in the past, he's already been aggravated about things that A&E has insisted on editing out. In the first few seasons, they insisted on editing "in Jesus name we pray" from all of the final prayers....things of that nature. They tried to get him to stop saying it, he refused, so they just edited it out. He seems like the type to just roll his eyes and keep on trucking at both of these instances.

My question was more about the court of public opinion. People were quick to defend Chik Fil A publicly....but Paula Dean was left blowing in the wind (and yes I realize that the situations were just a weeeee bit different). The attitude towards homosexuality has shifted dramatically in the last 5 years....and immensely in the past 15. It doesn't shock me anymore when I hear extreme overkill when it comes to the defense of anything homosexual in nature; that's where things currently are and they're not likely to change anytime soon. What DOES continue to get under my skin is the throttling of other peoples stances and opinions, and like many of the letters written in this thread, I greatly respect A&E's right to suspend him...I just think it's dumb on A&E's part because of the backlash that will result.

So...my question was just a general prediction question of which route do you think it will go (either from a sponsor stand point...viewer standpoint...results stand point...)?

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Well, they have slienced him. F A&E. I hope he pulls the plug.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2013/05/10/Duck-Dynasty-Star-If-We-Can-t-Mention-God-Or-Guns-Then-We-re-Done-Filming

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Dude, that article is from May.

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Dude, that article is from May.

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So what?

I'm guessing he posted it because of Phil saying in the past that if they can't do and say certain things, they're not interested in shooting the show.

Who cares if it was from May or March or today or 2011....... Those statements are very relevant in light of yesterdays decisions.

So what? The show is based on god and guns. If they can't talk about that, they don't have a show. Phil was just responding to people who were complaining about it.

Edit: and in this day and age, when a public figure compares homosexuality to bestiality, they're going to catch some flack for it.

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Not trying to be a jerk, but I'm trying to see your point....

Nobody is denying that they're going to catch some flack. Yes that goes with the territory. What's your beef with him posting an article from May that states Phil's attitude on what happens if they try to censor him?

A&E, GLAAD, liberals

GLBT destroying America one good man at a time.

Because there was already a bunch of faux outrage at the time. A&E never asked them to stop talking about God and guns, Phil was just responding to complainers.

Phil could've talked about God and guns til the show had run it's natural course and never had a problem. When you compare gays to people who **** animals, THEN you have a problem.

So I don't see the article as that relevant. Different time, slightly different topic. Maybe when Phil cancels filming because of the hiatus, I'll consider it relevant.

WHERE IS THE UPROAR FORM THOSE WHO PRACTICE BESTIALITY!!!!

Just sayin....he spoke out about his personal belief and biblical reference against that too.....

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Because there was already a bunch of faux outrage at the time. A&E never asked them to stop talking about God and guns, Phil was just responding to complainers.

Phil could've talked about God and guns til the show had run it's natural course and never had a problem. When you compare gays to people who **** animals, THEN you have a problem.

So I don't see the article as that relevant. Different time, slightly different topic. Maybe when Phil cancels filming because of the hiatus, I'll consider it relevant.

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there was no linkage. there was a list of common and gross sins that plague man. even if there was a direct comparison to bestiality, youre talking about men putting their parts in female parts of animals versus men putting man parts in other men's anus, the thing your body was designed with to take out the trash.

putting private parts in places they were never supposed to go has a very direct similarity with bestiality since things are going into places they dont belong, for pleasure.

/end slight derail

The only comparison of homosexuality to bestiality in his quotes is that in his opinion, both are sins. In that respect, he also compared both to drunkenness.

Dp

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More than a slight derail. How do you know they're female animals?

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Dude, that article is from May.

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Uhh, I know that. I posted it to show the stance he took. My point is that I hope he keeps this stance and tells them to eff off.

The male prostitutes aren't rioting either.

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The only comparison of homosexuality to bestiality in his quotes is that in his opinion, both are sins. In that respect, he also compared both to drunkenness.

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I know he did. But I have a feeling if he had said that gays and alcoholics were livin' wrong, it wouldn't be such a big deal. Maybe I'm wrong.

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Dude, that article is from May.

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Uhh, I know that. I posted it to show the stance he took. My point is that I hope he keeps this stance and tells them to eff off.

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Until they remove God and guns from the show, his stance hasn't been violated.

I disagree. He was quoting and referring to the Bilble and they silenced him. Sounds like it has been to me. But whatever. I'm not going to debate this.
My stance is screw the PC crowd. I stand with Phil.

as many might know and many others not, much of the duck dynasty family has had their own problems with ways of sin. they have turned to and found their Savior, Jesus Christ, and overcome their troublesome times (that is not saying they no longer sin).

they are familiar with sin and the bad ways. now, spreading the word and being unashamed to do so without fear of retribution will continue. the money is nice but it and the consumption of it for personal use isnt the driver of the Robertson family. They will continue following the Lord and be without fear of A&E's pandering to a completely different lifestyle type of people because unlike A&E, God won't abandon them if they do something he does not like.

Can't argue with that.

Email sent. I have never sent an fan feedback email before today. I did cut and paste, with revisions, one of the emails posted earlier on the thread, so I'm not sure if that totally counts.

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I know he did. But I have a feeling if he had said that gays and alcoholics were livin' wrong, it wouldn't be such a big deal. Maybe I'm wrong.

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No, you're right about that, but my point is that he did not compare homosexuality to bestiality EXCEPT to say they are both sins - just like drunkenness, adultery, etc.

Just sent my email.

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I bet Willie shat himself when he saw what Phil said from a business standpoint.

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It's not about the "gay and transgerdered duck hunters" as someone said. It's about a massive marketing deal with companies like Wal-Mart, Academy, etc... And if you don't believe me, I have two words for you... PAULA DEEN.

"Today, we showed the resolve of the United States. Today we made a statement to the world... That you can hit us, you can knock us down, but we're gonna get up. And when we do, we will find you and kick your ass!"
- Robert E Clark II, Cpt USN, Commandant of Midshipmen May 1, 2011

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The same Paula Deen who was just atop the NY times best seller, after the scandal?

Meh...I personally believe being 'gay' is not an optional thing that someone does. Because of that, I do not personally believe that a woman or a dude marrying another woman and dude in a committed relationship is a sin.....because I believe thats how God made them. Obviously, LOTS of people do not agree with me, Phil included. But, Im not offended by his comment, he's interpreted the Bible and the word of God and that is his firm belief. So long as he is willing to deal with the repercussions of such a statement, then who the hell cares? I fully support his ability to speak as he sees fit. I have LOTS of people that I am friends with that share different viewpoints. I dont find them to be offensive or subhuman or in any way not worthy of my respect as a person. Why does everyone get all worked up over this stuff?

Besides that, who the hell am I to say whats right and wrong. Im pretty sure I sin according to the bible multiple times a DAY and as far as I know, God doesnt have a graduated scale for sinners like humans do.

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Until they remove God and guns from the show, his stance hasn't been violated

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They've removed him from the show for voicing his stance based on, and quoted from, the Bible.

I guess the difference in our views on this is that I think that equates to removing, in some small way, God from the show. And I think, from reading your statements, that you don't view it that way. You view it as, "They're still allowed to say 'God' so God hasn't been removed".

I'm wondering how the Robertson's will view it.

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Because there was already a bunch of faux outrage at the time. A&E never asked them to stop talking about God and guns, Phil was just responding to complainers

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You may be right about some of the outrage being faux outrage, but I know I've read in more than one place, quotes from the Robertsons, stating A&E has tried to get them to quit saying/doing certain things. Up until now, it was never more than editorial disagreement. But when you go and suspend one of the 4 key characters from the show, perhaps the character that has been the most vocal about the family standing up for their beliefs (at least publicly in interviews), you've pushed the limits to a whole new level.

Thus I think his statements from May are extremely relevant to this conversation.


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Well said, BrazosDog.

Stive, I see your point. I guess I look at the technicality of it, as it was an off-air quote with a magazine. Hell, if he had said it in front of a film crew it probably gets edited out and no big deal.

And I will agree that by removing Phil, they're removing some if the religious aspect, as he appears to be the most forward about his beliefs (on the show). Personally, I think he'll eventually return.

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People get "worked up" when it's convenient for them to get "worked up". The interview was from January but somehow someone brings it up now?

The whole gay debate is interesting. It is their opinion that they're doing nothing wrong. They're opinion, they're entitled to it. It is Phil's opinion that being gay is a sin. His opinion, but he's not entitled to it. Hmmm.