Tibbers said:

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Fantastical explanation but purely theoretical and regardless of evolution of thought, the capability is still innate in humans. No matter how much time passes, a giraffe will never have the capability to create even a road, let alone a city or even further a spacecraft.

It's interesting to think that there is intelligent life out there but we should not let that hinder our imagination to turn once inhabitable planets into new homes. I still think that is the point. They act as a carrot at the end of a stick, constant goal and reminder when we look up at the Heavens.

So my question remains, what do you consider intelligent life? My definition places that honus on us and only us.

Further, if we want to get into the realm of possibility its even more likely that if aliens ever did greet us, they wouldn't be aliens at all but rather humans from another planet and time but thats probably a bit too fantastical.

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What does Honus Wagner have to do with the price of tea in China?

Tibbers said:

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ok, prove me wrong then.

Point to any instance other than humans that have the ability to even read and write let alone that evolution will one day bring them from the sea to land. The idea that if we just wait x million years and it'll happen is more entertaining to me as it is solely based on faith, something you detest in others. It's hilarious! We have zero fossil records to suggest this. We have zero representations in our current lexicon to suggest this. You have a theory, that is it. At least my theory is grounded in reality. You just don't like it because you hate religion and it ruffles your poor little feathers. Hilarious!

So again, show me one example of an animal on the cusp of getting on humanity's level.

The world has been here quite a long time and its not just Christianity that believes this.

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And humans have been on earth roughly 0.15% of the age of the earth (6 million of 4 billion years). The earth has been here quite a long time and 99.85% of that time was before humans ever appeared. It's a little short sighted to say it could never happen again given the sun has multiple billion more years to go.

Imagine thinking it takes the same mental leap of Tibbers growing four arms to assume that the evolutionary process that humans went through can't happen again with another species because it hasn't happened already.

Tibbers said:

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ok, prove me wrong then.

Point to any instance other than humans that have the ability to even read and write let alone that evolution will one day bring them from the sea to land. The idea that if we just wait x million years and it'll happen is more entertaining to me as it is solely based on faith, something you detest in others. It's hilarious! We have zero fossil records to suggest this. We have zero representations in our current lexicon to suggest this. You have a theory, that is it.

You just don't like it because you hate religion and it ruffles your poor little feathers. Hilarious!

I also find it funny that science of old was in the quest to understand the complexities of a world created by God and now it seems science's quest is to disprove His existence, at least from ilk like yourself.

Don't like it? Prove me wrong then. Support your theory with...you know, evidence.

So again, show me one example of an animal on the cusp of getting on humanity's level.

The world has been here quite a long time and its not just Christianity that believes this.

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I'm still a bit puzzled how we got on this debate from a report of the remote (literally) possibility of a primitive life form in the atmosphere of Venus.

You keep asking for proof, but the proof is in the fossil records. Those records distinctly point to the proof of evolution as a natural process, even though at this point it is still basically regarded as a theory only. One that is most likely proven true, but still a theory. That's the thing about science, it doesn't require faith that something invisible is true, and science doesn't declare something is true without the irrefutable evidence to support it. You have no irrefutable evidence that we are the only beings with at least the same level of intelligence as us. That's the thing about science. It knows when it makes mistakes or false assumptions, and admits them and moves on with the new proof. Most scientists probably don't have a real issue with religions, just don't force them on others and use it to do harm.

You keep throwing out the lack of a "Kevin Costner/Waterworld" gill man and "photosynthetic person" to prove evolution is a hoax. To the contrary, evolution doesn't exactly work that way. So far there likely has been no pressure to humans to evolve that way. Why grow gills or chlorophyllic cells when there is absolutely no pressure to do so to survive? Humans have evolved to use their critical thinking and adaptiveness to survive changing conditions. Even if that somehow happened in the past, that mutation likely would not have survived long enough to pass on those genes, given how so many of our species are seemingly violently repulsed by individuals that exhibit marked differences from the rest. Did you not actually watch "Waterworld" and see the reactions he got when his mutation was discovered?

You seem to claim that humans are perfect now and always have been since the creation of the world. Forgive me if that is a false assumption. And that humans have not evolved since their creation. If we were truly born of a single pair of our species, we should all look mostly alike. I could make the argument that humans have indeed evolved in noticeable ways. Look at the different races that originated from different parts of the globe. Darker colored skin is found predominantly in the warmer sun-filled climates near the equator. This helps protect from skin cancer caused by the harsher rays of the sun in those areas. Sickle-cell disease is almost exclusively found in the tropics. You know what else is also almost exclusively found in the tropics? Malaria carrying mosquitoes. Did you know that Sickle-cell disease red cells are highly resistant to infection from the malarial parasites? Hmm? Sickle-cell just could be an evolutionary adaption to avoid getting malaria, although at some cost to the carrier.

Humans have also shown that we don't like competition from others. If another species has shown in the past that it may be trying to become equals to or surpass us, I have no doubt that uprising would have been squashed handily by our ancestors. There is some evidence that this may have happened with the Neanderthal. Look at what has happened to many ancient civilizations that we have proof of. And much of that was done in the name of religion.

Sadly, evolution can make not just advances, but also reversals. Blind salamanders are an example. It seems Tibbers is on a reversal path for humans. There was an authoritative documentary that said this could happen.

Devolution Documentary

Tibbers said:

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Ad hominem attacks are the hallmark for someone who has lost the argument. Or as Thatcher put it, "I always cheer up immensely if an attack is particularly wounding because I think, well, if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single political argument left."

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When you chose not to read what people actually wrote, people will start making fun of you. It gets pointless to debate someone who is deliberately obtuse like you are being.

There is an immense amount of paleontological and genetic evidence pointing to humans evolving from other primate life forms. Your theory pointing to the "critical" transition is silly. Every time this approach has been tried to refute evolution more evidence filling the imagined gap gets found. Everyone will acknowledge a pristine and all encompassing collection of hard evidence will never happen, but that is due to the decay of such evidence. Genetic research is getting more and more powerful and will be able to fill every gap you come up with as you keep moving the goal post.

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Its also an indictment on religion as a whole as if to say I am devolved for believing what I believe.

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I did not mention religion.

If your particular religion hinges on evolution not being real, that is indeed a heavy burden. I can see why this impacts you so much.

Sad to see a thread about such an interesting and exciting discovery devolve into a thread about the same inane creationist drivel that should have been put to sleep a hundred years ago.

In other news, bodies of water were discovered below the surface of Mars.

Well, if it's brought up, it needs to at least be called what it is, which is drivel, at least when it's masquerading as science.