yep, Schultz along with Diggs is another recent move by Caserio

that seemed like a good idea at the time...

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It wasn't even our 2nd round pick either. Diggs move was fine.

Big issue around OL is why we spend so much money and draft capital on a terrible unit.

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We owe something like 55-60 million/year between Tunsil, Howard and Mason through 2026.

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Texan_Aggie said:

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It wasn't even our 2nd round pick either. Diggs move was fine.

Big issue around OL is why we spend so much money and draft capital on a terrible unit.

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We owe something like 55-60 million/year between Tunsil, Howard and Mason through 2026.

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2 1sts for Tunsil
1st on Howard
1st on Kenyon
2nd on Scruggs
2nd on Fisher

Call the Browns and let's get it done!!

It's bewildering that the Texans' offensive line can be so bad given how much money they have paid and how many quality draft picks they have spent at that position.

Tunsil is a very good pass blocker, but he is lazy, entitled, a poor example for the rest of the line and a drive killer with his frequent penalties. I would love to move on from him, but his contract makes that very difficult, and...at a minimum, he does a pretty good job of protecting Stroud's backside. The idea of Blake Fisher as your full time left tackle scares me.

Mason looks like he is done.

We've done a poor job of developing linemen in recent years. Kenyon is a bust...as an Aggie, I hate to say it, but he is. Howard is so disappointing...I think he absorbed Tunsil's bad habits, but he doesn't have Tunsil's physical ability to make up for it. Scruggs has been below average. Patterson has been serviceable.

Fisher looked like a rookie, but there is some promise.

I'm really curious to see what things look like with a new scheme and a new line coach. I'm no x's and o's expert, but I strongly suspect Slowik's blocking schemes were poorly designed and put the linemen in difficult situations. And, clearly, our former line coach wasn't doing a very good job of getting these guys to work together...at least some of that was scheme I'm sure, but they looked soft and overmatched all year.

I hope I'm wrong, but I HATE that they promoted from within for offensive line coach. I would have loved to see them bring in a new set of eyes there. But, Caley signed off on that, so I suspect he thinks he can fix the line...Caley has coached tight ends, so he might be able to get very hands on with the line.

Very curious to see how we go about fixing the line...wouldn't surprise me if they use at least one of their higher picks on a lineman, and probably bring in a "depth" guy or two who can compete against some of the overpaid vets we have. Unfortunately, these bad contracts don't give you a lot of room to do much.

I've been starting to look at mock drafts and off the six on NFL.com only one had us taking an offensive lineman in the first round. 2-3 WRs and a couple of defensive players were what the others had.

Maybe we're still too far out but just seemed interesting to me that WR was seen as such a higher need than OL among media.

Think it depends on whether we keep Diggs

Just because a team takes a position first doesn't mean it's a higher need.

I don't know if this is the case but it may just be that it's a thin WR draft and a deep OL draft.

Mock drafts are all about value. I think they see higher value to the WR need at the end of the round. Plus, I wouldn't be surprised if Nick trades the first for a second and a third. Seems to be his MO for a later pick.

I have seen cases where they have the Texans taking Johnson from Oregon, Egbuka from Ohio State, or Restreppo from Miami. I would be happy to have any one of these guys on the team.

OL remains the priority I just have a feeling they will push for FA or trade as opposed to drafting and developing.

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Just because a team takes a position first doesn't mean it's a higher need.

I don't know if this is the case but it may just be that it's a thin WR draft and a deep OL draft.

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I think that's whats happening with the mock drafts. Listening to the early draft podcasts it looks like there isn't any top tier WR talent this year, but there are a small handful of upper tier talents (mid first round guys) and then there is a big drop after that small handful.

I would say the consensus on the deepest positions in the draft are:
1 Defensive Line
2 Running Back
3 Tight End
4 O-line

So, 2nd - 5/6th should yield very good results drafting those 4 positions.

IrishAg said:

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Ag_07 said:

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Just because a team takes a position first doesn't mean it's a higher need.

I don't know if this is the case but it may just be that it's a thin WR draft and a deep OL draft.

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I think that's whats happening with the mock drafts. Listening to the early draft podcasts it looks like there isn't any top tier WR talent this year, but there are a small handful of upper tier talents (mid first round guys) and then there is a big drop after that small handful.

I would say the consensus on the deepest positions in the draft are:
1 Defensive Line
2 Running Back
3 Tight End
4 O-line

So, 2nd - 5/6th should yield very good results drafting those 4 positions.

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This is why I think they try to work out a one year deal with Diggs, it's a bad draft for WRs but if Tre Harris from Ole Miss is there in the second round I'd like that pick. First round feels like it'll be a DT given that's a big need. Guys who could be there are Kennth Grant, Walter Nolen, Derrick Harmon, and Tyleik Williams and of those I'd love to have Kennth Grant or wait a bit and take Deone Walker from Kentucky. If by some miracle Tyler Warren is available in the first then take him, otherwise I wouldn't be mad about taking Elijah Arroyo from Miami or Mason Taylor from LSU a bit later. This is also a great draft to add a RB since Pierce can't seem to regain his form and there's several guys who will be available later in the draft who can contribute.

I agree, WR is going to be tough to place. I did a mock draft on PFF and tweaked it to represent positional need a lot more. And it's amazing how some of the talent slides down. But I think we could grab a few really good lineman on both sides in the 2nd and 3rd round. Hoping Caserio moves us around some.

YES

drafting mid-to-late in the 1st round is always tricky

the standard dilemma is need vs. best player available

was Kenyon Green a need or BPA pick?

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drafting mid-to-late in the 1st round is always tricky

the standard dilemma is need vs. best player available

was Kenyon Green a need or BPA pick?

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Green was a need and guard wasn't a deep position and he was considered the best one in the draft, though it was a reach at pick 15. The other guards drafted in the first round were Zion Johnson (Chargers) and Cole Strange (Patriots) though the Strange pick was panned by basically everyone. It was a position of need and they took the highest graded one in the draft, you can't fault them for the pick for anything other than hindsight being 20/20. FWIW Green showed signs of promise as a rookie but then got derailed by injuries and also has just turned out bad in the NFL at the position. I can't imagine they'll pick up his 5th year option which they'll have to decide on by May 1st. I'm guessing they'll release him this offseason.

https://www.nfl.com/news/weighing-fifth-year-options-for-2022-nfl-draft-s-first-round-selections#:~:text=The%20fifth%2Dyear%2Doption%20window,deadline%20set%20for%20May%201.

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Green has struggled to stay healthy, missing the entire 2023 season with a torn labrum and suffering another shoulder injury in 2024 that forced him to miss five games. The Texans must revamp their offensive line, with C.J. Stroud taking too many sacks (52) this season. In 327 pass-blocking snaps, Green allowed six sacks and 37 QB pressures, per NGS, giving him the second-highest mark on the team in sack rate (1.8%) and the highest in pressure rate (11.3%). I could see Houston moving in another direction.

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All dead cap. No savings so not necessarily worth it.

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/report-dolphins-hire-bobby-slowik-as-senior-passing-game-coordinator

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https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/report-dolphins-hire-bobby-slowik-as-senior-passing-game-coordinator

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That's actually a good landing spot for Slowik getting to learn from McDaniels how to build an offense that changes year to year.

Is it though?

McDaniel's offense seems to be very gimmicking and once teams figured it out they have been pretty meh.

Tons of talent and potential but not a lot of results to show for it.

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Is it though?

McDaniel's offense seems to be very gimmicking and once teams figured it out they have been pretty meh.

Tons of talent and potential but not a lot of results to show for it.

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They're still pretty good when they aren't hit by injuries, it's just that a lot of their players are injury prone. I look at it as McDaniels being someone who was designed a high flying passing game, that switched to a really good running game when he lost his QB and his WRs got banged up. That is a whole different issue about selecting your players to be able to finish the year, but when they're there they've been really good. But being able to adjust scheme based on the talent at hand and what the defenses were keying on is what Slowick really seemed to have the most trouble with here. McDaniels can teach him that.

Personally I don't think Slowick is bad, I just don't think he was ready to be the guy mainly because he had so much success his first year that he wasn't forced to innovate and improve due to necessity (like a lot of the young guys). I do think he has a good chance in 2 or 3 years to be one of those guys that pops up and is the hot commodity again.

it's interesting to go back and look at the Dolphins and McDaniel's big year in 2023...

Miami offensively crushed the bad teams they played...including the 70-point game vs. Denver

but when they played good teams and playoff teams...the 'fins usually scored between 14 and 20 points

somewhat similar to the Texans

Good point on injuries.

And I agree on Slowik. I think passing game coordinator is a good position. Seemed he was good at scheming a passing attack but fell short on play calling and OL blocking schemes/run game implementation.

It'll be interesting to follow his career from here.

The NFL agrees. He was interviewed for one HC position, then not another whiff at a HC interview and ultimately taking a lesser position.

I think Slowik was the best shot at the time, he doesn't seem to have the seasoning required to be OC/HC at this point in time. Hope he gets there, seemed like a good guy.

IrishAg said:

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Ag_07 said:

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Is it though?

McDaniel's offense seems to be very gimmicking and once teams figured it out they have been pretty meh.

Tons of talent and potential but not a lot of results to show for it.

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They're still pretty good when they aren't hit by injuries, it's just that a lot of their players are injury prone. I look at it as McDaniels being someone who was designed a high flying passing game, that switched to a really good running game when he lost his QB and his WRs got banged up. That is a whole different issue about selecting your players to be able to finish the year, but when they're there they've been really good. But being able to adjust scheme based on the talent at hand and what the defenses were keying on is what Slowick really seemed to have the most trouble with here. McDaniels can teach him that.

Personally I don't think Slowick is bad, I just don't think he was ready to be the guy mainly because he had so much success his first year that he wasn't forced to innovate and improve due to necessity (like a lot of the young guys). I do think he has a good chance in 2 or 3 years to be one of those guys that pops up and is the hot commodity again.

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In addition to working for McDaniels, his brother is on the defensive staff in Miami.

I don't think he's bad either, but in the NFL you have to constantly evolve as a coordinator. In the offseason the defensive coordinators are going to study every game since Houston was successful with a rookie QB, and figure out how to overcome that. Offensive coordinators have to be a step or two ahead, because if the defense figures you out it's already over. He was able to develop a good plan in year one, year two showed he really wasn't up to changing his gameplan when needed. If what Ryans said about telling him what needed to be done, and him not doing it is true, then he was completely right to move on. Year 3 with Stroud and Ryans is going to be an important year and they really need to invest in putting an offense on the field that can compete with teams like KC, Buffalo, and Baltimore because the defense can only do so much. The offense's inability to stay on the field was extremely frustrating last season, hopefully Caley can get them pointed in the right direction.

610 was reminiscing this morning about the water polo TE the Texans drafted in the 3rd round in 2019

he had a grand total of 3 career receptions

Hearing the Caley PC and subsequent interview on Texans Radio, I like him…but he on the clock, and I wish him nothing but the best…