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I think the interest in the team would dip severely if they ran it back with both McCarthy and Dak, a

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"severely dip" meaning still sell out every game and still average 25mm TV audience per game?

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Interest in the Cowboys is never going to drop no matter what. They still get the highest TV ratings of any NFL team despite the fact that nobody under the age of 35 can recall when they last played in an NFC Title Game much less a Super Bowl.

But with that popularity comes a tag. If the Cowboys stand pat and get the same results, the uproar amongst fans and media could reach a point where the atmosphere around the team becomes a total circus. It's one of these difficult situations where you may have to make changes just for the sake of doing so.

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I don't blame the fans for rioting if Quinn is brought back given that we know McCarthy and Dak will be.

A wise man once said " insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results".

We just got destroyed, embarrassed, and exposed by a #7 seed with a lowly 9-8 record in our building. If you don't make changes now, when the hell do you?

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Atlanta

Infection_Ag11 said:

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Grapesoda2525 said:

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Infection_Ag11 said:

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Don't really have an issue with this, MM is clearly the most competent and successful coach in Dallas since Jimmy and the odds of hiring someone worse and/or washed up was high.

Will be interesting what happens with Quinn. Again, the odds of hiring someone worse are very high and we had some personnel issues this year no DC is gonna overcome.

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Quinn is 0-6 against his former Falcons offensive staff / teammates whatever.

Why keep Quinn when he can't beat Shanahan, Lafleur, or the guy who's coaching the bills?

The Shanahan tree eats his lunch.

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They eat everyone's lunch, especially teams with no linebackers. Not really sure what you think another coach with the same players is gonna do. You think Quinn doesn't cognitively realize what needs to happen to stop them?

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Wow

This response reminds of Bill Paxton in Aliens.

"Game over man!"

So you think he knows what to do. But just failed every time?

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Infection_Ag11 said:

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Grapesoda2525 said:

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Infection_Ag11 said:

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Don't really have an issue with this, MM is clearly the most competent and successful coach in Dallas since Jimmy and the odds of hiring someone worse and/or washed up was high.

Will be interesting what happens with Quinn. Again, the odds of hiring someone worse are very high and we had some personnel issues this year no DC is gonna overcome.

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Quinn is 0-6 against his former Falcons offensive staff / teammates whatever.

Why keep Quinn when he can't beat Shanahan, Lafleur, or the guy who's coaching the bills?

The Shanahan tree eats his lunch.

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They eat everyone's lunch, especially teams with no linebackers. Not really sure what you think another coach with the same players is gonna do. You think Quinn doesn't cognitively realize what needs to happen to stop them?

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Wow

This response reminds of Bill Paxton in Aliens.

"Game over man!"

So you think he knows what to do. But just failed every time?

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He probably thinks they simply took advantage of our safeties playing linebackers, but it's not that simple. The bills, packers, and last loss against the 49ers lit us up with the pass just as bad if not worse than the run.

the real culprit on Sunday was Dan Quinn. His defense gave up 6 touchdowns on the first 7 drives, and it didn't seem like they made any changes as the game went on. They were also gashed on the ground by Arizona (222 rushing yards allowed), San Francisco (170 yards) and Buffalo (266 yards), accounting for the other 3 games this year when they seemed to be on a different planet. His "prevent" defense also allowed Miami to come back for a game winning field goal, and almost cost us the Lions game as well. I fervently hope DQ gets a head coaching job next year, because he seems completely incapable of making necessary in-game adjustments when they are needed. There was never a Plan B. In these games they just froze up and got their butts kicked.

This is where the blame truly lies for the horror show we saw. When you HAVE to score TDs every drive just to keep up, you make mistakes, and we know this is not an environment that Prescott is good in (or, frankly, any other QB, for that matter). His 2 INTs were killers, no doubt, especially the 2nd one. But getting no stops at all, or not even limiting the other team to FGs occasionally, is what decided this game.

McCarthy seemed to morph into Bill Parcells before the game because we kept wasting all these second downs with runs after running the ball on first down. We tried way too hard to "establish the run". When we needed Dak to go out there and sling it against a bottom 5 ranked Packers secondary.

A lot of weird and inexcusable **** happened during that game, but we were done in by Quinn and the "D"

LB12Diamond said:

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Infection_Ag11 said:

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Grapesoda2525 said:

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Infection_Ag11 said:

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Don't really have an issue with this, MM is clearly the most competent and successful coach in Dallas since Jimmy and the odds of hiring someone worse and/or washed up was high.

Will be interesting what happens with Quinn. Again, the odds of hiring someone worse are very high and we had some personnel issues this year no DC is gonna overcome.

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Quinn is 0-6 against his former Falcons offensive staff / teammates whatever.

Why keep Quinn when he can't beat Shanahan, Lafleur, or the guy who's coaching the bills?

The Shanahan tree eats his lunch.

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They eat everyone's lunch, especially teams with no linebackers. Not really sure what you think another coach with the same players is gonna do. You think Quinn doesn't cognitively realize what needs to happen to stop them?

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Wow

This response reminds of Bill Paxton in Aliens.

"Game over man!"

So you think he knows what to do. But just failed every time?

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Do you think it's more likely he has no clue what to do with an offense he literally practiced against for years, or that there's a personnel issue with the defense that he has been coaching during that stretch?

And let's stop pretending all those losses were on him. They held the 49ers to 19 points and their YPP output under Purdy last season in the playoff loss. They held the Dolphins to well below their average point and yardage totals this year.

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LB12Diamond said:

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Infection_Ag11 said:

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Grapesoda2525 said:

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Infection_Ag11 said:

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Don't really have an issue with this, MM is clearly the most competent and successful coach in Dallas since Jimmy and the odds of hiring someone worse and/or washed up was high.

Will be interesting what happens with Quinn. Again, the odds of hiring someone worse are very high and we had some personnel issues this year no DC is gonna overcome.

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Quinn is 0-6 against his former Falcons offensive staff / teammates whatever.

Why keep Quinn when he can't beat Shanahan, Lafleur, or the guy who's coaching the bills?

The Shanahan tree eats his lunch.

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They eat everyone's lunch, especially teams with no linebackers. Not really sure what you think another coach with the same players is gonna do. You think Quinn doesn't cognitively realize what needs to happen to stop them?

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Wow

This response reminds of Bill Paxton in Aliens.

"Game over man!"

So you think he knows what to do. But just failed every time?

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He probably thinks they simply took advantage of our safeties playing linebackers, but it's not that simple. The bills, packers, and last loss against the 49ers lit us up with the pass just as bad if not worse than the run.

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It's hard to take you seriously when you keep mistaking Sean McDermott for Mike McDaniel.

There is something to be said that Jerry Jones has not fired a coach at the end of a season specifically since Dave Campo following 2002.

Bill Parcells walked away on his own terms.

Wade Phillips was fired midseason.

Jason Garrett saw his contract expire, he wasn't fired.

Now…

— RJ Ochoa (@rjochoa) January 18, 2024

Grapesoda2525 said:

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Dan Quinn has coached 55 games as the Cowboys' DC.

6 of his worst 7 games by EPA per drive came this season.

5 of his worst 7 games by EPA per drive have come in the last 2.5 months.

— Benjamin Solak (@BenjaminSolak) January 16, 2024

Quinn is fading. Other teams know that if they just take care of the ball and run right at us that we will fall like a house of cards.

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I think you hit the nail. This is exactly the formula .

As for Parsons why does McCarthy insist on playing him late into blow out games? During the season we often find ourselves wondering why Parsons is still out there when the games not in doubt. Better mgmt of this by itself can improve Parsons effectiveness at seasons end.

one of the Dallas pundits, I forget which, said LAST year,

"I've known Jerry Jones for a long time and I can tell you, he does NOT like to pay people to NOT work for him."

Teams like the 49ers and Eagles don't sit like this. They'll continue to compete in Super Bowls. Not sure Jerry will see another. I'm beginning to think he's more about just keeping the team'$ value increasing for hi$ family legacy. It's his team and he can do what he want$. Not much hope for next season. Not sure I'd pay Dak a huge contract but he'$ a great image for the team. I'll bank on Elko and the BMA$

Dolphins are not a good go bye. Similar to the Eagles they were not good at the end of the year on offense.

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one of the Dallas pundits, I forget which, said LAST year,

"I've known Jerry Jones for a long time and I can tell you, he does NOT like to pay people to NOT work for him."

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So he'd rather be a stubborn ass and lose. Can't cut his losses. And we all laud him as a businessman.

Come on now, I get frustrated with him too, but he IS a great businessman.

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I'm honestly shocked he's coming back. They were embarrassed Sunday.

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It's because of Jerry's age. He personally doesn't want to go thru a rebuild because he's so old despite the fact that there are good coaches out there who can actually fix this thing.

Jones has owned this team for almost 34 years. He caught lightning in a bottle from 1991-1995. From 1995 onward, with a few brief stretches, this has been an average NFL franchise. Playoff wins are few and far between. Wins in divisional playoffs, conference championships and Super Bowls are zero. Many here have not seen the Cowboys win it all. There has only been one constant through all of this. For me, that is too much of a coincidence to ignore. Sure, there is nothing we can do about Jerry, but the facts speak for themselves. I go back to the late 60s when many wanted Landry gone, but they turned it around. I don't know if it will happen again.

Jerry isn't serious about winning. He cares about the amount of money made or lost. Cowboys games next year will be sold out and have good ratings on tv, not to mention they'll sell the heck out of apparel.

Next year will be more of the same and when his son takes over, it won't change either.

Jerry has an awful feel for when it's time to make a move or not make a move. Several years ago, Andy Reid was available and he stuck with Garrett. Sticking with McCarthy feels like a big mistake too.

The defense wasn't terrible bc of scheme. We lacked linebackers and were forced to play undersized guys. Bell was a PFF top 10 LB.

But those undersized guys behind an undersized/undertalented interior DL isn't a recipe for success against a team that can run. Specifically a Shanahan style team. The cowboys tried to shore that up in recent years with Parsons and Mazi, Overshown as well. We all know what happened but it's easy to see they were trying to address the problem and it just didn't work out.

That's not really on Quinn. If you don't have the pieces you don't have the pieces. He was aware of Aaron Jones and he committed to stopping the run early and it exposed us in the passing game. When he adjusted back Jones cut us up. What is he supposed to do.

Our team lived and died by an offense that scored early and often and a defense that played with a lead and attacked. The offense laid an egg

The eagles had the same problem.

You pay a QB that much, a center, a RT, a WR and a TE.. they are built to score and their defense is a combination of young talent and real old talent and some fill-ins at LB. And it's their defenses fault?

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Jones has owned this team for almost 34 years. He caught lightning in a bottle from 1991-1995. From 1995 onward, with a few brief stretches, this has been an average NFL franchise. Playoff wins are few and far between. Wins in divisional playoffs, conference championships and Super Bowls are zero. Many here have not seen the Cowboys win it all. There has only been one constant through all of this. For me, that is too much of a coincidence to ignore. Sure, there is nothing we can do about Jerry, but the facts speak for themselves. I go back to the late 60s when many wanted Landry gone, but they turned it around. I don't know if it will happen again.

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The biggest reason for the 1991-95 success was the Herschel Walker trade. Nothing like that has happened since then and it doesn't look like it ever will.

Houston's trade of Deshaun has yielded some very noticeable talent to that team. Will Anderson and Christian Harris notably.

NOTHING changes in Dallas until fans stop paying $800+ for a single ticket (other teams are 20% less than Dallas), stop paying $200+ just to park your car at the stadium, stop spending $200 for a jersey and there are empty seats for home games. I agree with the idea he's more interested in building the brand than winning a championship.

He's good at the brand, but 28 years of losing in playoffs show he's awful at building a team. Here's to several more seasons of playoff futility.

Please fire Quinn and retire Jerry. Spend time with your grandkids.

Sounds like every other year the since Dak has become QB. Super talented team that shows up limp in the playoffs...

So, since it appears there won't be many changes, the one glaring problem that has to be addressed is the middle of the defense.

If you're going to have an undersized parsons, you've got to have two huge DTs and a MLB that is big and nasty.

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NOTHING changes in Dallas until fans stop paying $800+ for a single ticket (other teams are 20% less than Dallas), stop paying $200+ just to park your car at the stadium, stop spending $200 for a jersey and there are empty seats for home games. I agree with the idea he's more interested in building the brand than winning a championship.

He's good at the brand, but 28 years of losing in playoffs show he's awful at building a team. Here's to several more seasons of playoff futility.

Please fire Quinn and retire Jerry. Spend time with your grandkids.

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If all things are equal there is a 2% chance (roughly, but literally) for one team in a 16 team conference to not at least make the conference championship game in 30 years. The odds overwhelmingly say a team piloted by a monkey would at least get that team to the conference championship game at least once in 30 years.

Yet somehow, some way a team with probably the most resources in all of the United States can't manage to get there. Think about that. Think about how poorly a team has to be managed to defy those odds while having all those resources at their disposal.

People always said "things will get better once Jerry is gone and Stephen is in control" but by most accounts he already is pretty much in control and he's worse than has dad and he's probably got another 20+ years in him of running the organization too. Very frustrating.

It'll be the same as this year...

Hesitancy all year long like "yeah, they look good. let's wait until the playoffs and see if they actually are."

I just think any speak from Jerry and the Cowboys about wanting to win super bowls takes a serious credibility hit when you keep running it back and it has flamed out miserably for over a decade now. Especially since there are better options out there to coach your team.