DannyDuberstein said:

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Tksymm7 said:

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Wait a year, then don't resign him. Boom. Problem solved.

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Only half the problem. $36mill is pushed into 2025-26

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Yep! It's what I was saying above... we're going to have to pay the Piper (meaning the salary cap) sooner or later. A rebuild year is coming and we are going to have a crap ton of dead money for a dozen players that aren't even on the team.

I also just wanted to go on the record and say I don't think Jerry is going to do a DAMN thing. Sure Quinn will probably leave and we'll have some player turnover like we do every year.

But on the whole, Jerry is going to roll into the '24 season with the same HC, the same QB, and a majority of the same players and expect different results.

That's what I think is going to happen here. But it would be entertaining if I was wrong!

Tksymm7 said:

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You gotta eat it. Own your mistakes. The Broncos screwed up signing Russ to a stupid deal, but they aren't thinking "ya know, I owe him a lot of money, I think we'll just continue to be inept for 3 years." Dak is better than Russ at this point, and the cowboys offense is better than Denver's, but it's the same concept. Own your mistake in giving Dak way too much money, figure it the hell out and move on to try and find that guy who can win you playoff games.

We win 10+ games EVERY YEAR, and don't do a damn thing with it. And look, if you hire the right guy at the head coaching spot and he makes it to an NFC championship game with Dak playing the best of his career, then extend him a bit. But just be real and open about your situation. Don't keep kicking the can down the road and being content with winning 10 games and a first round out every season.

ETA: Dak isn't the only problem with the team. The defense was Charmin soft all year, but Dak is a part of the problem in the playoff. So fix the defense the best you can with a new DC with some grit, but also be open to try something different at QB.

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So you want to dump Dak or not? Owning the mistake means you dump him. Then get to go fish in the pool where Baker Mayfield and Jameis Winston types are the cream of the crop

Yes, either dump or trade him this offseason, or the most likely scenario let him walk after next season. And take shots at QB's in the draft. You aren't going to sign the next guy in free agency. So go out and have a veteran ready to play games, but have some sack and try to go get a guy at QB you like.

That's the fast-track to 5-6 wins, but okay.

BMX Bandit said:

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No offense, but I think you're crazy if you believe Dak is the problem here

Unless "Blow it up" means hiring a general manager, it would just be more of the same

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moving dak might not make the most sense based on numbers, but I think you're crazy if you don't think dak is the problem. he's not the only problem, but that dude lost the game for us in the first quarter. he left 3 more easy INTs on the table that GB simply didn't catch on top of the 2 he threw...in the most important game of his career. It was the most important based on the situation -- an absolute can't lose compared to any other playoff game he's played in to date.

How much worse do you think we are with Baker Mayfield? Serious question...

I'd bet we're still a playoff team at a much cheaper cost.

The team is too talented to crater to 5-6 wins without Dak. Cooper Rush proved that last year. We're a fringe playoff team with JAG QB.

This team must address LBer this offseason.

Rough one last night for Dallas LBs... Lots of eye violations and voided gaps. While playing behind a DT unit knocked off the ball often.

33/14 aren't for me. pic.twitter.com/JhhwcHhMG1

— Ben Fennell (@BenFennell_NFL) January 15, 2024

Woods Ag said:

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How much worse do you think we are with Baker Mayfield? Serious question...

I'd bet we're still a playoff team at a much cheaper cost.

The team is too talented to crater to 5-6 wins without Dak. Cooper Rush proved that last year. We're a fringe playoff team with JAG QB.

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Comments like this are what get me as far as the Dak Prescott argument goes. I'd be willing to move on from Dak, but suggesting that the cowboys would be better off with Mayfield is wild. And what happened to Cooper Rush as soon as he played a team with a pulse last year?

Macarthur said:

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This team must address LBer this offseason.

Rough one last night for Dallas LBs... Lots of eye violations and voided gaps. While playing behind a DT unit knocked off the ball often.

33/14 aren't for me. pic.twitter.com/JhhwcHhMG1

— Ben Fennell (@BenFennell_NFL) January 15, 2024

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Yep, been a pretty common theme to see the defense drop off when LVE gets hurt. On the bright side, Overshown could be a good start to shoring it up. But they need more

Woods Ag said:

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How much worse do you think we are with Baker Mayfield? Serious question...

I'd bet we're still a playoff team at a much cheaper cost.

The team is too talented to crater to 5-6 wins without Dak. Cooper Rush proved that last year. We're a fringe playoff team with JAG QB.

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I thought the point was to get better?

No, that's not what I said. You're putting words in my mouth.

I said "How much worse would we be with Baker?"

Just above someone said that if we get rid of Dak we're in the Baker world... Ok, how much worse is Baker, really? He has played well and taken 2 teams to the playoffs. He shoulder was broke when he took Cleveland and he couldn't throw the ball well anymore. Rumor is he's pretty banged up in that shoulder now as well. He got them to the playoffs with what many thought was a pretty bad TB team.

To answer your "What happened to Cooper when he played anyone with a pulse?"

What happened to Dak whenever we played anyone with a pulse this year? What's his big win? The eagles? The Lions?

So if we lose those games then Cooper Rush wins 10 games? Can Baker win us an extra game or 2? I don't know... With the money saved can we have a decent running back?

Jerry ain't dumping Dak, for many of the reasons already mentioned already plus Dak is his badge of being "football guy"

But Jerry likes headlines and clicks and his brand and all of those would be served by a coaching change.

Harbaugh and Jerry would never work, but Belichick or Vrabel would.
Dark horse: Lincoln Riley. a shiny new toy that he could control and his modern offense would change the narrative. would be a disaster, but I could see it.

Jerry has to go. He's been the only common denominator with all these very talented teams. He needs to step aside as GM and president make McClay the GM (which he basically already does without the title) make Stephen president and let it go

Macarthur said:

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This team must address LBer this offseason.

Rough one last night for Dallas LBs... Lots of eye violations and voided gaps. While playing behind a DT unit knocked off the ball often.

33/14 aren't for me. pic.twitter.com/JhhwcHhMG1

— Ben Fennell (@BenFennell_NFL) January 15, 2024

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What in the absolute heck was Clark doing on that 2nd play? Not only did he go the wrong direction to start, he then made sure to put himself in a spot to get completely shielded off by the guy who was already blocking another defender.

It's one thing if that were a one off situation... but that crap happened with him all season long! I won't give Bell too much crap, he's a safety doing the best he can.

Clark's trying to set the edge and push him back inside, but Bell hopped to the other side and got walled off and the hole was wide open at that point. That's 100% on Bell.

Woods Ag said:

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Clark's trying to set the edge and push him back inside, but Bell hopped to the other side and got walled off and the hole was wide open at that point. That's 100% on Bell.

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No, the 2nd play. He's inside and should fill the gap right where the ball ran... but instead he bailed outside and left the middle wide open.

Oh, I got you. Didn't realize it was 2 plays in that. Just watched the 1st one. Jeez, that's egregious lol

Man, it seems to me that if they could figure out a way to get an absolute stud at MLB, it could completely change the feel of this defense.

I don't know if that guy is out there, but I think they gotta move heaven and earth to try and find that. I think the Gray kid out of N. Carolina is prob the best pure MLB in the draft.

Woods Ag said:

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So you value him based on what others think of him not what we know of him?

That seems ass backwards. Got a hot wife, she doesn't clean, cook, or make money, and seems to fall on someone elses dick every time I turn around, but if I quit her she's going to be someone else's wife so fast...

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I value him based on the nature of the modern NFL. There are teams with quality quarterbacks, and there is everyone else. And if you are in the "everyone else" category you are both irrelevant at present and at risk of literally never getting out of that category again. The Bears, Redskins, Browns, etc. have spent literally generations hoping for a QB of even Dak's caliber.

You just listed 3 of the worst run organizations in the game. 3 of the worst owners in the game.

Hate Jerry all you want, but he's a **** load better than they are. This "we may never find another one ever again.." stuff is a load. That's hyperbole, and we can find another one.

Woods Ag said:

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I'm just answering your question with a question.

I would try to trade Dak and whatever else necessary to get into the QB sweepstakes this year in the draft. If that is at all possible, that's what I would do. Chicago, Washington.. what do they need to give up that pick?

Here's what I know: Dak ain't getting us where we want to go.

The answer then should never be: Well we should resign him because I'm afraid of getting worse. So, how do we go about finding someone better without taking the risk of being worse?

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It was still the highest scoring offense in the league this year. You find ways to shore up what's missing vs setting off a suicide vest. Even yesterday, get another stop or two and this offense - in spite of its issues - would have likely had them right back in it

Find ways to continue to improve redzone efficiency. Upgrade LB. I dont have an issue with bringing in another coaching staff.

I'm always for taking a top 3-4 round shot at a qb every few years. You don't have to dump Dak to get the next QB

You didn't answer my question though. Put aside what you think of me and my opinion, look at Baker Mayfield and what he's done when healthy and answer - How much worse are we record-wise with Baker Mayfield?

Woods Ag said:

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You didn't answer my question though. Put aside what you think of me and my opinion, look at Baker Mayfield and what he's done when healthy and answer - How much worse are we record-wise with Baker Mayfield?

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Probably 3-4 games. Baker Mayfield isn't leading an offense that leads the league in scoring if he's here.

What games in particular do we lose because of Baker?

That high flying great scoring offense didn't amount to anything. The Packers were playing backups when Dak finally started scoring last night. I'm tired of being regular season champs! Who cares about that?

He took his team to the playoffs. He has a damn good chance at beating Philly tonight. That dude was a cast off, anyone could have signed him. In the right system, with the right pieces around him and the right mix of run/pass he accomplished the same thing Dak did.

Couldn't star your post enough. I think people forget how much influence he's had on player acquisition for the defensive side, and he's whiffed A LOT.

Quinn's style is feast or famine. Good offenses can pick him apart if he doesn't get staked a nice lead. He benefitted more than anyone from the leads that #1 offense staked him. And when he didn't get it yesterday, it imploded. And to answer the Baker question, that is why they lose 3-4 more games.

I just have a problem with the effort, preparation, and response when the plan wasn't working.

The way we played, we would have lost to every single NFL team out there yesterday. It didn't seem to matter who the opponent was. We just looked so inept.

Orlando Ayala Cant Read said:

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Based on Jerry's post game comments and demeanor yesterday, I'd put the chances of McCarthy being fired at 60% or so. I think he's out.

I'm hoping Jerry recognizes that he absolutely needs to swing for the fences on this next hire and not try to promote Quinn or some other silly move that just spins the mediocrity wheels of the organization.

Jerry needs a Jimmy Johnson or Bill Parcells type brazen hire. To me, that guy is Harbaugh. Make the move for him. Brings instant toughness, brings instant respect in the locker room, has had NFL success, and has left every organization he's been with better than it was before. That's basically Bill Parcells from 15 years ago.

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Jerry doesn't really care. He wants a coach that will kiss the ring.

And as long as cowboys fans continue to fill up his palace in Arlington what incentive does he have?

He spends more time working on development projects up in frisco and prosper than he does the team.

I don't think there's any chance MM is back after listening to Jerry. I think he made his mind up in the third quarter.

I hear Jimbo Fishers looking for a job