Certainly not a max deal. If he gets a max deal I'll be shocked. But yeah your point is accurate but to say we wouldn't want him on this roster is not true. It's just a matter of price.

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Certainly not a max deal. If he gets a max deal I'll be shocked. But yeah your point is accurate but to say we wouldn't want him on this roster is not true. It's just a matter of price.

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There's no such thing as a max deal

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Guys over 30 can definitely be risky. But I'd be willing to risk it with Evans. He's been very durable and with his size and strength, I think he can still be effective if he loses a step.

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Honestly, would you be this enthusiastic if he wasn't an Ag?

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Understandable question since this is Texags, but I think I'd feel the same. I'm not one of those Ags that wants the Texans to draft/sign a bunch of Ags just because they're Ags. Get the best guys period. If we target a WR in free agency, I think Evans could be a good fit if the price is right. His physicality should allow him to be productive even if his speed slips. I also think he would be a good influence on a young receiver group. But, again, it's got to make sense financially. If he's too expensive, move on.

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JCA1 said:

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Guys over 30 can definitely be risky. But I'd be willing to risk it with Evans. He's been very durable and with his size and strength, I think he can still be effective if he loses a step.

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Honestly, would you be this enthusiastic if he wasn't an Ag?

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Understandable question since this is Texags, but I think I'd feel the same. I'm not one of those Ags that wants the Texans to draft/sign a bunch of Ags just because they're Ags. Get the best guys period. If we target a WR in free agency, I think Evans could be a good fit if the price is right. His physicality should allow him to be productive even if his speed slips. I also think he would be a good influence on a young receiver group. But, again, it's got to make sense financially. If he's too expensive, move on.

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Agreed, I just don't think he's going to give us a hometown discount. Also take into account, the top WR deal right now is Hill at 4 year 120 million. So that's 30 million a year, and with that established as the top deal, I can't see Evans signing for less than 20 million. But, if we can get him on a great deal, then I agree we should go for it, but can't pay him like a top receiver which is what he's going to be asking for.

I meant top of the market deal. I know it's not the NBA. It's just easier to say than speculating on a number and it's effectively what the pay scales create in the NFL.

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Oline is the biggest glaring need.

Not only pass pro, but also a complete lack of running game in the playoffs.

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Yep, the difference in the Texans OL vs the other 3 teams that played yesterday was massive

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Agree with this, I would probably look to acquire a veteran LG from somewhere. Maybe Kenyon comes back with his hair on fire, but make him earn it. I also think if we can stay healthy we will see a lot of improvement from time in scheme and continuity.

I would go into next season with:
LT - Tunsil
LG - Vet/Green
C - Scruggs/Patterson
RG - Mason
RT - Howard

Absolutely have to upgrade the RB room too. Cannot punt this position again.

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We grabbed 2 LGs last year (Jones and the other Green) in trades that both got hurt, so one of those might be able to supplement Green if he never gets back. But I would also keep on upgrading the talent on the line in the upper half of the draft. I imagine our draft priority is d-line, o-line, WR, then secondary, with a mixed in uniquely talented player to override the priority order.

I think Josh Jones is an UFA. Kendrick Green could be an option. Maybe they feel good about the two Greens, LG just seems to be the most unsettled spot to me.

A developmental Tackle at some point also seems like a wise draft investment. I dont know what to think of Howard, but we are committed to him for 2024.

Now that it's officially the offseason we can talk about making some roster moves.

Defense
-Re-sign Greenard
-If we go with a big signing I'd say we allocate to interior DL with someone like Chris Jones, Christian Wilkins, Madubuike, etc. Bringing back Rankins would be good too for the right price. Winning in the trenches is so important.
-Bring back Cashman or similar LB, there's going to be some nice LB's out there this offseason.
-Upgrade CB, I didn't get to see a ton of games but the ones I did it felt like Nelson was inconsistent.
-Upgrade at Safety, it really felt like a position of need for this team, maybe the biggest. I wonder if there's any hope of bringing Antoine Winfield Jr back to the Houston area?

Offense:
-Extend Collins, add a veteran to the WR room, don't let Collins become a UFA in 2025, get him done now.
-Bring back Schultz
-Bolster the RB room, Singletary was great this year and Pierce needs to get it together. I'd love to add Derrick Henry. There's a big RB in the draft, Braelon Allen from Wisconsin 6'2" and 245 lbs, he'd be a good day 3 day guy IMO.
-OL depth, feels like you can't be too deep at OL, especially after this season.

don't look at anything about this player except the stats. I would say he should 100% be a target based on his current production alone.

Absolutely. The lack of quality big uglies was made glaringly obvious on Saturday

DeMeco said in his presser today they will be spending on DL. I think he wants to replicate what SF is doing

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DeMeco said in his presser today they will be spending on DL. I think he wants to replicate what SF is doing

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I don't doubt it, I imagine we spend some serious money on someone at DT and still take dline with our first rounder. Defense has to have a dominate d-line to work in the NFL these days.

I'm with DeMeco. DL is the biggest need by far. We get 3 or 4 OL back from injury. There's no help on the way for the DL.

Resign:

Schultz
Greenard
Rankins
Singletary
Fairbairn
Cashman
Nelson (maybe)

Free agents:

Wilkins or Madubuike
CB
S (could maybe slide Nelson back here)
RT

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Now that it's officially the offseason we can talk about making some roster moves.

Defense
-Re-sign Greenard
-If we go with a big signing I'd say we allocate to interior DL with someone like Chris Jones, Christian Wilkins, Madubuike, etc. Bringing back Rankins would be good too for the right price. Winning in the trenches is so important.
-Bring back Cashman or similar LB, there's going to be some nice LB's out there this offseason.
-Upgrade CB, I didn't get to see a ton of games but the ones I did it felt like Nelson was inconsistent.
-Upgrade at Safety, it really felt like a position of need for this team, maybe the biggest. I wonder if there's any hope of bringing Antoine Winfield Jr back to the Houston area?

Offense:
-Extend Collins, add a veteran to the WR room, don't let Collins become a UFA in 2025, get him done now.
-Bring back Schultz
-Bolster the RB room, Singletary was great this year and Pierce needs to get it together. I'd love to add Derrick Henry. There's a big RB in the draft, Braelon Allen from Wisconsin 6'2" and 245 lbs, he'd be a good day 3 day guy IMO.
-OL depth, feels like you can't be too deep at OL, especially after this season.

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https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2024-free-agent-rankings-free-agency

Overall it's a strange free agent class, I'm not sure where we would target for our big spending.

- DT - I wonder if we would go after Chris Jones with a huge contract, he's about to turn 30 so maybe we offer him a big 4 year contract? I would just go down PFF's list of DT free agents as my top free agent targets.
- DE - If we can resign Greenard that would be ideal, but we also have to get more talent in the draft
- Agree on Cashman, but we don't have to spend a lot here. I would bet we get a late round LBer that DeMeco likes. He found a ton of guys later in the draft that have become defensive mainstays
- I would like to upgrade CB, but don't think we should spend here. Nelson was inconsistent, but he would be better if we could be a lot more consistent on our pressures.
- Safety, man this is a tough one, because we had so many injuries last year. I think we went through 4 or 5 safeties next to Pitre.

On offense
- Agree completely on getting a new contract done for Collins, and we should look for a veteran, but I disagree with everyone who wants to sign a big name. This offense doesn't need big names, just consistent guys.
- Shultz is a toss up, great when he was on, but man did he have some bad drops
- RB should be journeyman free agent or draft, no reason to spend even moderate money at the position outside of someone transcendent like McCaffrey
- OL, upgrade the talent every year, still needs a lot of work.
- QB, big middle finger to the rest of the NFL cause we got our guy!

Also, looking at the draft, damn this is tough not having a top 10 pick when it comes to doing mock drafts!

Steven Nelson turned 31 today. Even if he's back, he doesn't have many years at CB left.

𝗕𝗥𝗘𝗔𝗞𝗜𝗡𝗚: The #Titans are hiring #Bengals offensive coordinator Brian Callahan as their new head coach, per @TomPelissero

A huge move for Tennessee. pic.twitter.com/ZXYVansrRN

— JPAFootball (@jasrifootball) January 23, 2024

That was probably Slowik's best shot at a HC job this year.

If anybody cares, in my madden franchise after 2023 season with Texans, I resigned Greenard, Schultz, Singletary, Josh jones, rankins, Barnett, fairbairn, and cashman (then traded him on draft day).

I let Noah brown, perryman, and Steven Nelson walk.

Signed Christian Wilkins, Brandon jones, and Stephon Gilmore (1 year deal to temporarily take Nelson's spot).

I know cool story bro.

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Mike Evans is 30. No reason at all you can't give him a good 3 or 4 year deal

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Not being antagonistic here, but who was the last 30+ WR that signed a big contract who actually lived up to it? I'm a huge Mike Evans's fan, but I believe it would be a mistake for the Texans to give him a top WR contract for 3 to 4 years.

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Randy Moss was 30 when he went to NE

Randy Moss and Mike are not comparable, and I love Mike.

Would be awesome if we could get Mike for a 4th rounder like the Patriors did Moss. Unfortunately, he is going to command good money which comes with some age risk and opportunity cost given all the areas of need the Texans have.

Everything Demeco said in the press conference yesterday pointed to investing in the DL and the run game. Would be really surprised if we went after a big name WR.

Given the strength of the 2024 draft, players the Texans need to retain, and our huge needs on defense, I think someone will offer Mike more than what makes sense for the Texans IMO.

I think the only way Mike ends up here is if he's willing to take A Team friendly deal he's going to have to ask himself is the hundred plus million dollars I've made enough to try to go home.... or do I chase the bag

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Randy Moss and Mike are not comparable, and I love Mike.

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Through their first 10 seasons Evans has more targets, more catches, a higher catch %, fewer drops, averages 0.8 less yards per reception and has about 200 fewer yards. Other than touchdowns they are actually remarkably comparable, statistically speaking. And the big touchdowns difference is in large part due to that 10th year, where Moss set the 23 TD record. Through 9 years Moss only had 12 more touchdowns.

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It's not apples to apples. Moss played in an era where running the ball was way more prominent.

In his rookie season of 1998, there were 20 guys with at least 1,000 yards rushing, and Terrell Davis had 2,000.
Of those 20, 4 were at least 1,400 and 10 were at least 1,200.


In 2024, 12 guys had 1,000 yards rushing, and only CMC was over 1,200. Eight of the 12 were between 1,005-1,049.


Moss led the league in WR touchdowns 5 times. 2024 was Mike's first year to do so.

Mike is a really good player. Moss was the most feared WR in the game for a decade.

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To add to this, Moss was traded to the Patriots and then signed a pretty sweetheart deal as he was trying to win a super bowl. To that point, Moss is again not apples to apples, as unlike Evans he still had a huge drive to try to get that ring. Evans doesn't have that same motivation that Moss did, and honestly you could see it a lot this year in him having moments where his head obviously wasn't in the game.

It's all about value for the player over the life of the contract. I think everyone here would love Mike Evans on the Texans, but not at the price he is probably going to be able to command at this stage of his career.

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Randy Moss and Mike are not comparable, and I love Mike.

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Through their first 10 seasons Evans has more targets, more catches, a higher catch %, fewer drops, averages 0.8 less yards per reception and has about 200 fewer yards. Other than touchdowns they are actually remarkably comparable, statistically speaking. And the big touchdowns difference is in large part due to that 10th year, where Moss set the 23 TD record. Through 9 years Moss only had 12 more touchdowns.

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It's not apples to apples. Moss played in an era where running the ball was way more prominent.

In his rookie season of 1998, there were 20 guys with at least 1,000 yards rushing, and Terrell Davis had 2,000.
Of those 20, 4 were at least 1,400 and 10 were at least 1,200.


In 2024, 12 guys had 1,000 yards rushing, and only CMC was over 1,200. Eight of the 12 were between 1,005-1,049.


Moss led the league in WR touchdowns 5 times. 2024 was Mike's first year to do so.

Mike is a really good player. Moss was the most feared WR in the game for a decade.

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I agree in theory, but it it a true view? Bell cow backs used to be the norm. Now you see more shared carries.

And an extra game.