Certainly not a max deal. If he gets a max deal I'll be shocked. But yeah your point is accurate but to say we wouldn't want him on this roster is not true. It's just a matter of price.
Cartographer said:
Certainly not a max deal. If he gets a max deal I'll be shocked. But yeah your point is accurate but to say we wouldn't want him on this roster is not true. It's just a matter of price.
IrishAg said:JCA1 said:
Guys over 30 can definitely be risky. But I'd be willing to risk it with Evans. He's been very durable and with his size and strength, I think he can still be effective if he loses a step.
Honestly, would you be this enthusiastic if he wasn't an Ag?
Agreed, I just don't think he's going to give us a hometown discount. Also take into account, the top WR deal right now is Hill at 4 year 120 million. So that's 30 million a year, and with that established as the top deal, I can't see Evans signing for less than 20 million. But, if we can get him on a great deal, then I agree we should go for it, but can't pay him like a top receiver which is what he's going to be asking for.JCA1 said:IrishAg said:JCA1 said:
Guys over 30 can definitely be risky. But I'd be willing to risk it with Evans. He's been very durable and with his size and strength, I think he can still be effective if he loses a step.
Honestly, would you be this enthusiastic if he wasn't an Ag?
Understandable question since this is Texags, but I think I'd feel the same. I'm not one of those Ags that wants the Texans to draft/sign a bunch of Ags just because they're Ags. Get the best guys period. If we target a WR in free agency, I think Evans could be a good fit if the price is right. His physicality should allow him to be productive even if his speed slips. I also think he would be a good influence on a young receiver group. But, again, it's got to make sense financially. If he's too expensive, move on.
Agree with this, I would probably look to acquire a veteran LG from somewhere. Maybe Kenyon comes back with his hair on fire, but make him earn it. I also think if we can stay healthy we will see a lot of improvement from time in scheme and continuity.gougler08 said:AgLA06 said:
Oline is the biggest glaring need.
Not only pass pro, but also a complete lack of running game in the playoffs.
Yep, the difference in the Texans OL vs the other 3 teams that played yesterday was massive
We grabbed 2 LGs last year (Jones and the other Green) in trades that both got hurt, so one of those might be able to supplement Green if he never gets back. But I would also keep on upgrading the talent on the line in the upper half of the draft. I imagine our draft priority is d-line, o-line, WR, then secondary, with a mixed in uniquely talented player to override the priority order.Crispin Torque said:Agree with this, I would probably look to acquire a veteran LG from somewhere. Maybe Kenyon comes back with his hair on fire, but make him earn it. I also think if we can stay healthy we will see a lot of improvement from time in scheme and continuity.gougler08 said:AgLA06 said:
Oline is the biggest glaring need.
Not only pass pro, but also a complete lack of running game in the playoffs.
Yep, the difference in the Texans OL vs the other 3 teams that played yesterday was massive
I would go into next season with:
LT - Tunsil
LG - Vet/Green
C - Scruggs/Patterson
RG - Mason
RT - Howard
Absolutely have to upgrade the RB room too. Cannot punt this position again.
I don't doubt it, I imagine we spend some serious money on someone at DT and still take dline with our first rounder. Defense has to have a dominate d-line to work in the NFL these days.Texan_Aggie said:
DeMeco said in his presser today they will be spending on DL. I think he wants to replicate what SF is doing
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2024-free-agent-rankings-free-agencyMax Power said:
Now that it's officially the offseason we can talk about making some roster moves.
Defense
-Re-sign Greenard
-If we go with a big signing I'd say we allocate to interior DL with someone like Chris Jones, Christian Wilkins, Madubuike, etc. Bringing back Rankins would be good too for the right price. Winning in the trenches is so important.
-Bring back Cashman or similar LB, there's going to be some nice LB's out there this offseason.
-Upgrade CB, I didn't get to see a ton of games but the ones I did it felt like Nelson was inconsistent.
-Upgrade at Safety, it really felt like a position of need for this team, maybe the biggest. I wonder if there's any hope of bringing Antoine Winfield Jr back to the Houston area?
Offense:
-Extend Collins, add a veteran to the WR room, don't let Collins become a UFA in 2025, get him done now.
-Bring back Schultz
-Bolster the RB room, Singletary was great this year and Pierce needs to get it together. I'd love to add Derrick Henry. There's a big RB in the draft, Braelon Allen from Wisconsin 6'2" and 245 lbs, he'd be a good day 3 day guy IMO.
-OL depth, feels like you can't be too deep at OL, especially after this season.
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IrishAg said:tjack16 said:
Mike Evans is 30. No reason at all you can't give him a good 3 or 4 year deal
Not being antagonistic here, but who was the last 30+ WR that signed a big contract who actually lived up to it? I'm a huge Mike Evans's fan, but I believe it would be a mistake for the Texans to give him a top WR contract for 3 to 4 years.
Texan_Aggie said:
Randy Moss and Mike are not comparable, and I love Mike.
It's not apples to apples. Moss played in an era where running the ball was way more prominent.Infection_Ag11 said:Texan_Aggie said:
Randy Moss and Mike are not comparable, and I love Mike.
Through their first 10 seasons Evans has more targets, more catches, a higher catch %, fewer drops, averages 0.8 less yards per reception and has about 200 fewer yards. Other than touchdowns they are actually remarkably comparable, statistically speaking. And the big touchdowns difference is in large part due to that 10th year, where Moss set the 23 TD record. Through 9 years Moss only had 12 more touchdowns.
To add to this, Moss was traded to the Patriots and then signed a pretty sweetheart deal as he was trying to win a super bowl. To that point, Moss is again not apples to apples, as unlike Evans he still had a huge drive to try to get that ring. Evans doesn't have that same motivation that Moss did, and honestly you could see it a lot this year in him having moments where his head obviously wasn't in the game.The Porkchop Express said:It's not apples to apples. Moss played in an era where running the ball was way more prominent.Infection_Ag11 said:Texan_Aggie said:
Randy Moss and Mike are not comparable, and I love Mike.
Through their first 10 seasons Evans has more targets, more catches, a higher catch %, fewer drops, averages 0.8 less yards per reception and has about 200 fewer yards. Other than touchdowns they are actually remarkably comparable, statistically speaking. And the big touchdowns difference is in large part due to that 10th year, where Moss set the 23 TD record. Through 9 years Moss only had 12 more touchdowns.
In his rookie season of 1998, there were 20 guys with at least 1,000 yards rushing, and Terrell Davis had 2,000.
Of those 20, 4 were at least 1,400 and 10 were at least 1,200.
In 2024, 12 guys had 1,000 yards rushing, and only CMC was over 1,200. Eight of the 12 were between 1,005-1,049.
Moss led the league in WR touchdowns 5 times. 2024 was Mike's first year to do so.
Mike is a really good player. Moss was the most feared WR in the game for a decade.
The Porkchop Express said:It's not apples to apples. Moss played in an era where running the ball was way more prominent.Infection_Ag11 said:Texan_Aggie said:
Randy Moss and Mike are not comparable, and I love Mike.
Through their first 10 seasons Evans has more targets, more catches, a higher catch %, fewer drops, averages 0.8 less yards per reception and has about 200 fewer yards. Other than touchdowns they are actually remarkably comparable, statistically speaking. And the big touchdowns difference is in large part due to that 10th year, where Moss set the 23 TD record. Through 9 years Moss only had 12 more touchdowns.
In his rookie season of 1998, there were 20 guys with at least 1,000 yards rushing, and Terrell Davis had 2,000.
Of those 20, 4 were at least 1,400 and 10 were at least 1,200.
In 2024, 12 guys had 1,000 yards rushing, and only CMC was over 1,200. Eight of the 12 were between 1,005-1,049.
Moss led the league in WR touchdowns 5 times. 2024 was Mike's first year to do so.
Mike is a really good player. Moss was the most feared WR in the game for a decade.
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