Texan_Aggie said:

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In my view, if we can't get Bryce then we're better off trotting Mills out for another season. I just don't see Stroud/Levis as having significantly better potential than Mills.

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I think they definitely have better potential than Mills, especially Levis. Not sure they reach it though.

Texan_Aggie said:

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In my view, if we can't get Bryce then we're better off trotting Mills out for another season. I just don't see Stroud/Levis as having significantly better potential than Mills.

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I would try to get Trey Lance for cheapish, who still has some upside, roll with him this season and see if he can handle it. If he can't, draft a QB with our top pick next year.

Get Anderson and build the defense. We're better off having another 2 top ten picks next year.

Ryan34 said:

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Texan_Aggie said:

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In my view, if we can't get Bryce then we're better off trotting Mills out for another season. I just don't see Stroud/Levis as having significantly better potential than Mills.

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I think they definitely have better potential than Mills, especially Levis. Not sure they reach it though.

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Curious, why do you think Levis has more upside than mills does? Their college stats are very similar:

Mills (excluding the one game he played in 2018 where he had two pass attempts)
Y/G - 266
Y/A - 7.9
Adj Y/A - 7.9
TD/G - 1.38
INT/G - 0.6
Rating - 141.9

Levis
Y/G - 154
Y/A - 8.0
Adj Y/A - 7.7
TD/G - 1.2
INT/G - 0.65
Rating - 145.6

There's more track record of Levis, obviously, given Davis was in the midst of the COVID years in the PAC10. Also arguable that Levis had more talent around him at Penn State/Kentucky than Davis did at Stanford. But all in all, I'm not seeing a stark contrast in Mills v Levis based upon their existing body of work in college.

Levis has a stronger arm, quicker release, and is a much better athlete.

W said:

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wow, if the Texans thought Young was the only QB worth taking in the top 3...

then Caserio should be fired after the draft for not deactivating certain players to ensure a week 17 loss

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That game was so infuriating, not just because we won and lost the #1 pick, but because Lovie coached the game completely different than every other game the whole season. I didn't mind them attempting to win, they're competitors that want to compete, but to have a completely different coaching mindset of win at all costs in only that one game deserved to get Lovie fired all by itself.

You can't really focus on Levis stays unless you only look at 2021. He had multiple serious injuries in 2022 and should have probably sat out most of the season. If putting up video game stats in college was the measure of NFL success then Ohio St would have the last 6 NFL MVPs.

MaxPower said:

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You can't really focus on Levis stays unless you only look at 2021. He had multiple serious injuries in 2022 and should have probably sat out most of the season. If putting up video game stats in college was the measure of NFL success then Ohio St would have the last 6 NFL MVPs.

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We don't need video game stats but we need some kind of performance.

Dude's already terrible stats are inflated against terrible competition. He only broke 200 yards against one team with a pulse in the 2021 season.

His average yds a game in 2021 against P5 opponents was 181 yards a game and that's including 372 against Tennessee. Throw out the high and low outliers and you get 168 yards a game. Or 6.7 yards per attempt (with or without outliers).

If you're going to be a top flight QB, you have to at least occasionally perform at that level.

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MaxPower said:

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You can't really focus on Levis stays unless you only look at 2021. He had multiple serious injuries in 2022 and should have probably sat out most of the season. If putting up video game stats in college was the measure of NFL success then Ohio St would have the last 6 NFL MVPs.

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We don't need video game stats but we need some kind of performance.

Dude's already terrible stats are inflated against terrible competition. He only broke 200 yards against one team with a pulse in the 2021 season.

His average yds a game in 2021 against P5 opponents was 181 yards a game and that's including 372 against Tennessee. Throw out the high and low outliers and you get 168 yards a game. Or 6.7 yards per attempt (with or without outliers).

If you're going to be a top flight QB, you have to at least occasionally perform at that level.

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I agree with you. It feels like a Trubisky situation.

Reading this article:

https://www.nfl.com/news/2023-nfl-draft-pro-execs-scouts-coaches-rank-and-evaluate-the-qb-class

I think it's a combination of a few things. First, he's run a Shanahan type system so he's an easier eval and more ready to play. Then the physical tools, and finally the S2 score (which NFL teams seem to weighing heavily).

There's quite a bit of speculation that Indy will take him, so maybe Houston grabs Wilson/Anderson and Indy protects us from ourselves.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/04/22/will-levis-is-now-the-betting-favorite-to-go-no-2-overall/

This is the list of everyone Houston has met with, looks like Houston met with Anderson more than anyone else on the list.

SR - Senior Bowl meeting.
EW - East-West Shrine meeting.
COM - Combine meeting.
PRO - Pro Day or campus meeting/workout.
LOC - Local visit. Prospect making a local visit.
PRI - Private visit. Prospect making an official 30 visit.
WOR - Private Workout. Members of an organization working out a player in private.
STM - Some Type of Meeting.
VIR - Virtual Meeting.
% - indicates more than one meeting at an event.
^ - has met with team at more than one event.
# - indicates meeting set up outside of the 2023 Senior Bowl or the 2023 East-West Shrine Game

• Will Anderson^, Defensive End, Alabama (COM, PRO, PRI)
• Kelechi Anyalebechi, Linebacker, Incarnate Word (LOC)
• Steve Avila, Center, TCU (LOC)
• Deonte Banks, Cornerback, Maryland (PRI)
• Jake Bates, Kicker, Arkansas (LOC)
• Jordan Battle, Safety, Alabama (COM)
• Tyler Beach, Offensive Tackle, Wisconsin (WOR)
• Mekhi Blackmon, Cornerback, USC (COM)
• Brian Branch, Safety, Alabama (PRI)
• Julius Brents^, Cornerback, Kansas State (COM, PRI)
• Myles Brooks, Cornerback, Louisiana Tech (COM)
• Sydney Brown, Safety, Illinois (COM)
• Cody Chrest, Wide Receiver, Sam Houston State (LOC)
• Nathaniel Dell^, Wide Receiver, Houston (COM, LOC)
• Max Duggan, Quarterback, TCU (COM)
• Payne Durham, Tight End, Purdue (PRI)
• Tiyon Evans, Running Back, Louisville (COM)
• Mekhi Garner, Cornerback, LSU (WOR)
• Art Green, Cornerback, Houston (LOC)
• London Harris, Linebacker, Texas State (LOC)
• Ryan Hayes, Offensive Tackle, Michigan (COM)
• Tre'Vius Hodges-Tomlinson, Cornerback, TCU (COM)
• Hendon Hooker, Quarterback, Tennessee (PRI)
• Rakim Jarrett^, Wide Receiver, Maryland (COM, PRI)
• Anthony Johnson, Cornerback, Virginia (COM)
• Antonio Johnson, Cornerback, Texas A&M (COM)
• Quentin Johnston, Wide Receiver, TCU (COM)
• Charlie Jones, Wide Receiver, Purdue (PRI)
• Tyreque Jones, Safety, Boise State (COM)
• Brandon Joseph, Safety, Notre Dame (COM)
• Sam LaPorta, Tight End, Iowa (VIR)
• Will Levis^, Quarterback, Kentucky (COM, PRI)
• Marte Mapu, Linebacker, Sacramento State (PRI)
• Brodric Martin, Defensive Tackle, Western Kentucky (PRI)
• Cody Mauch, Offensive Guard, North Dakota State (PRI)
• Kaevon Merriweather, Safety, Iowa (COM)
• Kendre Miller^, Running Back, TCU (COM, PRO)
• Ventrell Miller, Inside Linebacker, Florida (PRI)
• Wanya Morris, Offensive Tackle, Oklahoma (COM)
• Myles Murphy, Defensive End, Clemson (PRI)
• Moro Ojomo, Defensive Tackle, Texas (LOC)
• John Ojukwu, Offensive Tackle, Boise State (COM)
• B.J. Ojulari, Defensive End, LSU (PRI)
• Demarvion Overshown^, Inside Linebacker, Texas (COM, PRI)
• Gervarrius Owens, Safety, Houston (LOC)
• Camron Peterson, Defensive End, Southern (LOC)
• Deneric Prince, Running Back, Tulsa (LOC)
• Jose Ramirez, Defensive End, Eastern Michigan (VIR)
• Jayden Reed, Wide Receiver, Michigan State (COM)
• Asim Richards, Offensive Tackle, North Carolina (COM)
• Anthony Richardson^, Quarterback, Florida (COM, PRI)
• Tyler Richardson, Cornerback, Tiffin (PRO)
• Darius Rush, Cornerback, South Carolina (COM)
• John Michael Schmitz, Center, Minnesota (VIR)
• Daniel Scott, Safety, California (COM)
• Juice Scruggs, Center, Penn State (PRO)
• Jaxon Smith-Njigba^, Wide Receiver, Ohio State (PRO, PRI)
• Tyjae Spears, Running Back, Tulane (PRI)
• Tyler Steen, Offensive Tackle, Alabama (PRI)
• C.J. Stroud^, Quarterback, Ohio State (COM, PRI)
• Jason Taylor, Safety, Oklahoma State (COM)
• Noah Taylor, 3-4 Outside Linebacker, Kansas (COM)
• O'Cyrus Torrence, Offensive Guard, Florida (COM)
• Rashad Torrence, Safety, Florida (COM)
• Sean Tucker, Running Back, Syracuse (COM)
• Clayton Tune, Quarterback, Houston (LOC)
• Michael Turk, Punter, Oklahoma (LOC)
• Xazavian Valladay, Running Back, Arizona State (VIR)
• Christian VanSickle, Kicker, Rice (LOC)
• Brayden Willis, Tight End, Oklahoma (PRO)
• Michael Wilson, Wide Receiver, Stanford (COM)
• Tyree Wilson, Defensive End, Texas Tech (PRI)
• Trey Wolff, Kicker, Texas Tech (LOC)
• Luke Wypler, Center, Ohio State (COM)
• Bryce Young^, Quarterback, Alabama (COM, PRI)

Number of visits doesnt necessarily mean anything but that sure looks like Anderson or QB @ 2 and WR in the 1st 2-3 rounds.

Interior offensive line highly possible as well, guard or center. That's what I've been thinking they'll do in the second round.

W said:

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wow, if the Texans thought Young was the only QB worth taking in the top 3...

then Caserio should be fired after the draft for not deactivating certain players to ensure a week 17 loss

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Relax dude, the word on the street is there is no difference between the #1 pick and the #2 pick.

Out of these players. Who would you draft at 2 this year?

Cam Newton

Khalid Mac

Dereck Carr

These are the ones most similar to the players that will be available at 2 this year. FYI, I got this from NFL articles, not my own thoughts.

Will Levis is now the betting favorite to go No. 2 overall in the NFL Draft.

The Houston Texans currently hold this pick. pic.twitter.com/RQrQ8Ix4RZ

— NFL Rumors (@nflrums) April 23, 2023

That would be the most Texans thing to do if they draft Levis unless they are drafting him to trade him.

I think/hope it's a misdirect. I think we want Will Anderson or Tyree Wilson. I don't doubt that we like Levis, but not at #2. Lots of rumors that Indy will take Levis at #4, so if we can convince them to come up to #2, we can still get one of the two edge guys we really want.

Or we really do like Levis and we're hoping he'd slide far enough we could move up from #12 to get him (like Zierlein's mock draft had). That seems unlikely now with Indy supposedly favoring him.

I'm ready for Thursday.

Ryan34 said:

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I think/hope it's a misdirect. I think we want Will Anderson or Tyree Wilson. I don't doubt that we like Levis, but not at #2. Lots of rumors that Indy will take Levis at #4, so if we can convince them to come up to #2, we can still get one of the two edge guys we really want.

Or we really do like Levis and we're hoping he'd slide far enough we could move up from #12 to get him (like Zierlein's mock draft had). That seems unlikely now with Indy supposedly favoring him.

I'm ready for Thursday.

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Added bonus would be getting Indy's #4 & their 2nd rounder

Id really like to see us trade our late 3rd plus a conditional 2024 for Trey Lance and then spend our 2 1st rounders on defense.

Ryan34 said:

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I think/hope it's a misdirect. I think we want Will Anderson or Tyree Wilson. I don't doubt that we like Levis, but not at #2. Lots of rumors that Indy will take Levis at #4, so if we can convince them to come up to #2, we can still get one of the two edge guys we really want.

Or we really do like Levis and we're hoping he'd slide far enough we could move up from #12 to get him (like Zierlein's mock draft had). That seems unlikely now with Indy supposedly favoring him.

I'm ready for Thursday.

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Heard John Harris today, and he he doesn't like Levis. Almost a "looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane" attitude toward him. Thinks (hopes) its Anderson or Wilson at 2, then QB at 12. Agreed that Bryce is easily the best QB in the draft.

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https://www.golongtd.com/p/part-3-qb-bryce-young-has-the-s2

S2 Cognition test results per @BobMcGinn:

Bryce Young - 98%
Jake Haener - 96%
Will Levis - 93%
Jaren Hall - 93%
Clayton Tune - 84%
Anthony Richardson - 79%
Hendon Hooker - 46%
CJ Stroud - 18%

— Shane P. Hallam (@ShanePHallam) April 21, 2023

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Wow

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Anybody think there's a chance that Stroud slips to 12? Goes behind Richardson and Levis?

I don't think anyone knows WTF the Texans are gonna do.

Reading and listening to some draft chatter and some hear it'll be Levis, some hear Tyree Wilson, and some are thinking they'll trade down.

Regardless what the Texans do they're decision will have a pretty big impact on how the rest of the round shakes out and could cause quite a bit of shake ups one way or the other.

Just a few days until the draft and I have no idea what they're going to do at this point. I feel like the S2 test is a huge red flag on Stroud, and that stinks because I had gotten on board with taking him, now I'm not so sure. The PFF guys did a deep dive on edge rushers last week and they were unanimous that Anderson is the best edge rushing prospect, period. I don't think they should take Wilson at 2, Anderson to me is the smartest play they can make after Carolina takes Young. I just think there's too many question marks on the QBs after Young, I don't even know if I like them at 12. Unless there's a good trade opportunity I think they should take Anderson at 2, BPA at 12 and then look at what QBs are there at 33 or wait until the third round.

Feels like the Texans are really hoping that somebody comes over the top and makes an offer they can't refuse so they can trade down. If they get stuck at 2, they take either Anderson or Wilson.

Not sure how it will happen, but I strongly suspect the Texans will come out of this draft with either Levis or Hooker. I've accepted it.

has "The General" released yet who they will take? If so, you can cross that name off the draft board.

I can hear him wheezing his smart ass response now...

'Well how would I know? There's only a couple people that know who they're gonna draft and I'm not on of em. They could go QB with Stroud or Levis or go DL with Anderson or Tyree. Hell they could even draft a punter at #2. I don't know. You'll know when I know.'

Thanks John...What insight

let it go man. win, or lose it doesn't matter.

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https://www.golongtd.com/p/part-3-qb-bryce-young-has-the-s2

S2 Cognition test results per @BobMcGinn:

Bryce Young - 98%
Jake Haener - 96%
Will Levis - 93%
Jaren Hall - 93%
Clayton Tune - 84%
Anthony Richardson - 79%
Hendon Hooker - 46%
CJ Stroud - 18%

— Shane P. Hallam (@ShanePHallam) April 21, 2023

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Wow

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Anybody think there's a chance that Stroud slips to 12? Goes behind Richardson and Levis?

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18% is the score you get when you skip a line on the Scantron. Yeesh.