I would be good with that...ironically I think it was my hopeful scenario 3 or 4 months ago. Who knows if he'll fall, but I wouldn't be opposed to jumping up 2 or 3 spots to make sure we could grab him.coastalAg said:ElCheAg said:
Will Anderson at #2 and Richardson at #12.
I'd take that.
That would be great, but I am skeptical that Richardson falls to 12.
100% agree, too many teams need QB's between picks 4-11 for that to be realistic. Let's say Stroud doesn't get picked at 2, I don't see him falling past Indy at 4. Indy has shown a lot of interest in Levis but I think that's only because they are picking the third QB based on projections and at least need to put in the effort if it could be him.coastalAg said:ElCheAg said:
Will Anderson at #2 and Richardson at #12.
I'd take that.
That would be great, but I am skeptical that Richardson falls to 12.
This is exactly it. The only reason I could think of to get excited about these guys is that both of them had some sort of systematic hindrance (i.e. coach, talent, offensive philosophy, etc.) that prohibited them from doing it.Max Power said:100% agree, too many teams need QB's between picks 4-11 for that to be realistic. Let's say Stroud doesn't get picked at 2, I don't see him falling past Indy at 4. Indy has shown a lot of interest in Levis but I think that's only because they are picking the third QB based on projections and at least need to put in the effort if it could be him.coastalAg said:ElCheAg said:
Will Anderson at #2 and Richardson at #12.
I'd take that.
That would be great, but I am skeptical that Richardson falls to 12.
I'm still not sure what the teams actually think of Levis and Richardson. All we hear are what the media is speculating and projecting. Any GM that takes a QB in the first round has their job on the line immediately for that pick. Young and Stroud are good picks in the first IMO, any other QB is a significant gamble based on their limited results.
Levis and Richardson remind me of this scene from Moneyball.
Scout: "He's got a beautiful swing. The ball explodes off his bat. He throws the club head at the ball and when he connects he drives it."
Billy Beane: "If he's a good hitter, why doesn't he hit good?"
If Levis and Richardson are good QB's, why don't they win more games or have more scoring plays? I know this is an overly simplistic way of looking at them, but it makes sense to me in terms of reputation vs on field performance and winning games. Granted the reverse could be said and why isn't Stetson Bennett highly rated? There's no guarantees out there for any of these players but Young and Stroud have won games, big games, which is what separates them from guys like Levis and Richardson.
I would be ok with this, even though I have doubt Richardson will live up to his ability. However, If I'm going to gamble on a QB I don't love, I want to gamble on elite talent.Bobby Jimbo said:
Trade back from #2 a couple picks, and draft Tyree Wilson (who I'd argue is a better fit than Anderson in a 4-3).
Trade up from #12 (possibly using the assets you got from trading back from #2) to draft Anthony Richardson.
Leave the first round with 2 high ceiling physical freaks.
If the price was right, I would trade for Lance over Levis or Richardson also. They're gonna want high picks since he's still on his rookie contract. I agree on the conditional aspect for 2024, and would even let it scale up to our 1st rounder (we make the playoffs and he starts every game), which would mean we hit it out of the park with Lance.Snake Jazz said:
Some Trey Lance trade smoke this morning...Ryans and Slowik are familiar with him. I like the idea of giving him a chance more than drafting Levis or Hooker, assuming the cost isn't too much in return.
Purdy is probably the long term answer in SF, but he may not play this season. SF probably doesn't want to play Darnold all season.
I would trade a third, a late rounder or two, and I would toss in Davis Mills, as well. SF probably would want at LEAST a 2nd. I wouldn't trade the second pick of the second round for Lance, though. Maybe make a conditional pick in 2024 depending on Lance's performance?
Probably not a match there, but I do like avoiding Levis or Hooker.
Yeah I've thought about it a lot, and while someone like Stroud could be a good QB in the NFL, I don't think "good" is enough to get you into contention. You basically need a freak at QB if you want a legitimate chance, especially when you're in the same conference as Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, Herbert, and Lawrence. There is a good chance that AR15 does not pan at all, but I think there's a higher chance of hitting a home run with him than someone like Stroud.Snake Jazz said:I would be ok with this, even though I have doubt Richardson will live up to his ability. If I'm going to gamble, I want to gamble on elite talent.Bobby Jimbo said:
Trade back from #2 a couple picks, and draft Tyree Wilson (who I'd argue is a better fit than Anderson in a 4-3).
Trade up from #12 (possibly using the assets you got from trading back from #2) to draft Anthony Richardson.
Leave the first round with 2 high ceiling physical freaks.
Time to float out Levis rumors thencoastalAg said:ElCheAg said:
Will Anderson at #2 and Richardson at #12.
I'd take that.
That would be great, but I am skeptical that Richardson falls to 12.
Bobby Jimbo said:
Trade back from #2 a couple picks, and draft Tyree Wilson (who I'd argue is a better fit than Anderson in a 4-3).
Trade up from #12 (possibly using the assets you got from trading back from #2) to draft Anthony Richardson.
Leave the first round with 2 high ceiling physical freaks.
I do it so I don't have to type out Richardson each time lolAg_07 said:
I hope we don't draft Richardson just so I don't have to hear or read that awful nickname yall have given him.
It's a red flag, but more from an injury concern. They aren't going to go away from Brock Purdy at this point, so might as well get something from Lance before letting him walk when his contract ends. It's a roll of the dice, but if we could get him for a 2nd or 3rd, then I think it's a good roll.coastalAg said:
That's a huge red flag for me. If they are willing to sell him at a discount after what they paid to acquire him then he must really suck.
Ryan34 said:
https://www.espn.com/video/clip/_/id/36243872
ElCheAg said:Ryan34 said:
https://www.espn.com/video/clip/_/id/36243872
That video made me laugh. I like Richardson but not with the #2 pick.
S2 Cognition test results per @BobMcGinn:
— Shane P. Hallam (@ShanePHallam) April 21, 2023
Bryce Young - 98%
Jake Haener - 96%
Will Levis - 93%
Jaren Hall - 93%
Clayton Tune - 84%
Anthony Richardson - 79%
Hendon Hooker - 46%
CJ Stroud - 18%
Wow. . . said:
https://www.golongtd.com/p/part-3-qb-bryce-young-has-the-s2S2 Cognition test results per @BobMcGinn:
— Shane P. Hallam (@ShanePHallam) April 21, 2023
Bryce Young - 98%
Jake Haener - 96%
Will Levis - 93%
Jaren Hall - 93%
Clayton Tune - 84%
Anthony Richardson - 79%
Hendon Hooker - 46%
CJ Stroud - 18%
The wonderlic IIRC is basically an IQ test.Sea Speed said:
What is that test? I am only familiar with the wonderlic. (Sp?)
What are some comparisons to current pros on a scale from Lamar Jackson to Ryan Fitzpatrick?
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While the test is relatively new to the NFL, even retired players like Drew Brees have taken it. He tested at an elite level. Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, and Justin Fields were all elite scorers as well. But S2 has an even greater ace up its sleeve. The 2022 NFL Draft's highest scorer was none other than Mr. Irrelevant, 49ers QB Brock Purdy.
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The S2 isn't an intelligence test like the 50-question Wonderlic exam but rather measures how quickly and accurately athletes process information. It's like the 40-yard dash for the brain.
The exam lasts 40 to 45 minutes. It's performed on a specially designed gaming laptop and response pad that can record reactions in two milliseconds. To put that in perspective, an eye blink lasts 100 to 150 milliseconds.
In one section of the exam, a series of diamonds flash on the screen for 16 milliseconds each. Every diamond is missing a point, and the test taker must determine using left, right, up or down keys which part is missing.
In another, the test seeks to find out how many objects an athlete can keep track of at the same time. In another, there are 22 figures on the screen and the athlete must locate a specific one as quickly as possible. The object might be a red triangle embedded in other shapes that are also red.
"We're talking about things they have to perceive on the screen within 16/1,000th of a second, which is essentially subliminal and which scientific literature says you shouldn't be able to process," Ally said. "And I'll be honest with you, we're seeing pro baseball players see something way faster than 16 milliseconds, which has never been reported in literature, all the way to some athletes who may take 150 milliseconds. So our eyes may see the same thing. But for some, it takes longer to process than others."
Ally says the results are predictive.
He couldn't give out Purdy's exact score because it's privileged information but said it was in the "mid 90s." That's about where Brees, the former Saints quarterback famous for lightning-fast decision-making, scored and where two of the top passers in the league now, the Chiefs' Patrick Mahomes and the Bills' Josh Allen, also landed. The Bengals' Joe Burrow took the test while at LSU and agreed to allow S2 to disclose the information.
Of course he did he scored in the 97th percentile.
"We consider anything above the 80th percentile to be elite," Ally said.
The company recently looked at 27 starting quarterbacks. (Some of the older veterans like Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers had entered the league before S2 began testing in 2015 and there are no scores for them; Brees took the test while already playing in the NFL.) Of that group, 13 had a career passer rating above 90. The average S2 score of those players was the 91st percentile. Those with passer ratings below 90 had much lower test results.
"Those 14 guys, the average score was in the low 60s," Ally said.
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Brandon Ally and S2 Cognition co-founder Scott Wylie have been testing NFL prospects' ability to quickly and accurately process information since the 2016 draft. But this is the first year anyone outside of general managers and scouting directors gave it much thought.
"It's wild. We've been in the NFL for a while now. This is like our seventh or eighth draft and it's just now getting noticed," Ally said Wednesday morning during a phone interview. "Obviously, there was a couple of score leaks, which probably had people paying attention and wondering what the heck this was. So I think that's primarily what led to it."
[…]
Alabama quarterback Bryce Young notched a near-perfect 98 (out of 99), while Kentucky's Will Levis scored a 93, a person with direct knowledge confirmed to The Athletic. Those scores measure up well with several successful current or former NFL quarterbacks. Joe Burrow scored in the 97th percentile, while The Athletic's Matt Barrows reported in an in-depth piece on S2 Cognition test in February that former Saints QB Drew Brees, along with Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen all scored in the mid-90s.
[…]
The S2 researchers last year studied the scores of the 117 quarterbacks who had taken the test through the 2022 draft. The group included Brees before he retired (the Saints were the first NFL team to have their players tested) and the Vikings' Kirk Cousins, who reached out to S2 and requested to take it. The average score for the quarterbacks was the 68th percentile, compared to the 50th percentile across all positions.
Researchers then narrowed the subset to 27 starting quarterbacks from the 2021 NFL season that S2 had scores on. The company found that the 13 starters with career passer ratings of 90 or above scored in the 91st percentile. The 14 QBs with passer ratings below 90 scored in the 51st percentile (with range from 8 to 90).
The S2 consists of nine different tests, all of which are graded separately. The company has a formula for coming up with an overall score.
"It's like the decathlon. You don't have to win a single event, but you can actually win the decathlon," said Ally, who ran track at Tennessee. "It looks at the pattern of scores based on how others did on those nine tasks."
[…]
As of the new collective bargaining agreement in 2020, S2 can no longer test players currently on NFL rosters. The combine is also off-limits, so S2 now conducts a total of about 800 tests at all-star games, pro days and top-30 visits.
I'm really curious how this impacts what is done at 2 in particular. Feels like Anderson is the pick, maybe they look at other guys later in the draft but it's beginning to look like Young is truly the only QB taking that high. I don't know how they can justify one of the other QBs now at 2 over arguably the best defensive prospect in the draft. I still don't think Levis or Richardson are worth taking at 2.Ryan34 said:
That helps explain the Texans' lack of interest in Stroud and the buzz around Levis (lots of speculation that Indy will take him).
Max Power said:I'm really curious how this impacts what is done at 2 in particular. Feels like Anderson is the pick, maybe they look at other guys later in the draft but it's beginning to look like Young is truly the only QB taking that high. I don't know how they can justify one of the other QBs now at 2 over arguably the best defensive prospect in the draft. I still don't think Levis or Richardson are worth taking at 2.Ryan34 said:
That helps explain the Texans' lack of interest in Stroud and the buzz around Levis (lots of speculation that Indy will take him).
