*******The Official Houston Texans 2022: AW Thread************

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Maybe I'm in the minority but I actually really like this draft. I think the class as a whole is getting less love because there aren't any elite QB prospects. I think that's a good thing for us so that we're not tempted. I think the QB class is so bad that even teams that are QB desperate like Carolina and Atlanta don't take one in the first round and just let it fly, and be bad to try and take one of the guys next year.

One thing that's really nice is that no one knows what Caserio is thinking. I haven't heard anything in the press about who they really like. We know who they've brought in for meetings, that's it, which I kind of love that his board is on lock down.

I'm not trying to overthink things here, this is what I think right now, only going through pick 13 since that will most likely wrap up day 1 unless he tries to move back into the end of the first.

1) Jags: Aiden Hutchinson, by all accounts Trent Baalke is a guy that could go with Travon Walker because he might just be blown away by the measurables vs the production. I'm going to assume there's not a surprise at the top of the draft, but it could happen.

2) Lions: Kyle Hamilton, Detroit had a horrendous secondary last season and a guy like Hamilton can really help them in a number of ways on defense. I could see Dan Campbell looking at him for all the different ways he can help, he just fits there.

3) Texans: Ikem Ekwonu, Caserio goes with the guy that is immediately a plug and play starting offensive lineman. This is the first time he gets a first round pick, he goes with the safe pick here. I think I like Gardner here the most, but I think he tries to build around Mills before looking at the defense. Mills showed too much promise to not try to improve the offensive line.

4) Jets: Kayvon Thibodaux, a lot of ways they could go here, I'm mainly making this call because of a friend of mine in the area that said the Jets are high on Thibodaux and the fans are in on him as well, they like that he'll have a chip on his shoulder and think he will fit with Salah.

5) Giants: Ahmad Gardner, they are going to try and move on from James Bradberry most likely, if so then take the best CB in the draft, Gardner.

6) Panthers: Travon Walker, they are kind of a lost cause next season and don't have any other picks until the 4th round. There are no QBs worth it IMO this year, they decide to say screw it, lets take a guy with potential huge upside. This is a pick that is for the future, not for today, it's a lottery ticket.

7) Giants: Evan Neal, they need offensive line help as well, I've heard several members of the media talk about how much they like Charles Cross, perhaps that's true, perhaps it's posturing, I think they take Neal.

8) Falcons: Garrett Wilson, it doesn't matter who their QB is with Ridley out for the entire season they need to put a WR on the field and Wilson can play on day 1. If Jameson Williams is healthy he gets the nod but he's hurt, Wilson is the best fit after him.

9) Seahawks: Charles Cross, I think they let Duane Brown walk, Cross makes too much sense if they do. I think they just make due with whoever they can at QB.

10) Jets: Jameson Williams, this pick is difficult because I feel like this doesn't help them immediately but they need to get Zach Wilson some weapons, and he has the ability to be an elite weapon once healthy. There are other guys that can step in immediately, I think this pick is about patience.

11) Washington: Drake London, Wentz doesn't really throw downfield, he likes to make shorter throws and have the receivers get yards after catch. That's London's deal, he doesn't have elite speed, but he does get downfield with the ball.

12) Vikings: Derek Stingley Jr, Aaron Rodgers is still there to be played twice a year, assuming he gets a clean bill from the doctors I think the Vikings would jump at this chance, plus they seem to like LSU guys, he can also learn from Patrick Peterson.

13) Texans: Jermaine Johnson, the first pick is about need, this is about value. I think with the runs on OL and WR a defender is going to drop that shouldn't be there and if Stingley is gone and Johnson is there we take the best defender available.

If anyone out there likes one of the QBs then that moves some of the guys back, I just don't see it, hope I'm wrong because that gives us more options at 13. I also think that if there's any chance to move back it's going to be at 13 but if we have the chance to get a top notch OL and DE/LB in the first, I'll take that all day long. Addressing WR and RB can be done on day 2.
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lunchbox said:

Good move....in doing the mock draft simulators, there is a huge gap between their last 4th rounder (108) and their 6th (183).

they had (3) 6ths and (1) 7th.

Schefter's tweet isn't specific enough to know how many of those they will have left....and which of NE's (2) 5ths they are getting.

My guess would be they got pick 170 for 183 and 245.
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Jax: Walker or OT. OT makes more sense IMO, but who knows. Walker can slide inside at times so they're not completely abandoning their other young DEs.

Detroit: Hutchinson or Thibodeaux.

Houston: Gardner or edge. If it's an OL, I'd say Neal.

For #13, no clue honestly. If we take Gardner or an OT first, then I'd guess a DL like Jermaine Johnson or Jordan Davis. That's my guess. But if we take a DE first, then maybe a CB or even WR here.

Bold predictions (just for fun):
Hamilton drops out of the top 15.
Ekwonu is the 3rd OL taken.
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I think #13 is going to get traded. We could use the player there but it feels like a trade for a team that needs a WR or QB starved.
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Max Power said:

2) Lions: Kyle Hamilton, Detroit had a horrendous secondary last season and a guy like Hamilton can really help them in a number of ways on defense. I could see Dan Campbell looking at him for all the different ways he can help, he just fits there.

Overall a good analysis. Taking a safety at #2 would be a Detroit-like move. I know a lot of people have him rated high but the NFL has a very poor track record of safeties taken in the top 10 living up to expectations (somebody wrote an article about this a couple of months ago and it was kind of surprising). Personally I would take any of the top 3 CBs in this draft over a safety.

Like Max most people have Stingley around the 12 spot but I bet he ends up going higher, top 8.

As far as the Jets and the fans liking Thibodaux, the best TV drafts have been the ones where the Jets pull a surprise pick and the crowd melts down (Joe must go! Joe must go!). It's happened quite a few years and I'd love to see it again.

Good analysis, Max.
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One of the most overlooked parts of this draft is the fact that the 2 NYC teams are making 40% of the top ten picks in this draft. We have 4 chances at these guys making an appearance. The NYC sports fan reaction is always the best, closely followed by the Philly fans booing Goodell every single time.





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Max Power said:

One of the most overlooked parts of this draft is the fact that the 2 NYC teams are making 40% of the top ten picks in this draft. We have 4 chances at these guys making an appearance. The NYC sports fan reaction is always the best, closely followed by the Philly fans booing Goodell every single time.








Anytime you're bummed as a Texan fan, watch what the Jets were up to in the 80s and 90s, particularly when they take Kyle Brady over Warren Sapp at the end.

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I'm starting to think the Texans made that trade with NE for a 5th rounder because it is part of what they need to move up somewhere in the 1st round....or back into the 1st round.

I would not be surprised at all if they trade from 13 up to the 8-10 range in order to take Stingley or Garrett Wilson (probably Stingley).

#13 + #80 + #170 gets you to #8 in most draft pick value charts.

Or...if they stay at #3 and #13 and trade back into the 1st...

#37 + #108 +#170 gets you back into the #29-32 area.
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lunchbox said:

I'm starting to think the Texans made that trade with NE for a 5th rounder because it is part of what they need to move up somewhere in the 1st round....or back into the 1st round.

I would not be surprised at all if they trade from 13 up to the 8-10 range in order to take Stingley or Garrett Wilson (probably Stingley).

#13 + #80 + #170 gets you to #8 in most draft pick value charts.

Or...if they stay at #3 and #13 and trade back into the 1st...

#37 + #108 +#170 gets you back into the #29-32 area.
It also might be a package setup to just move up a little. From everything I've seen/heard, a lot of people believe there is a pretty big drop in the talent level as you're approaching the 5th round. So dumping 6th and 7th rounders this year to move up and grab an extra 4th would probably be worth it. From there you fill in with the undrafted free agents.
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Might as well jump in here with a little over 24 hours until the draft.
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Hope we get some talent on the O line in this draft.
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lunchbox said:

I'm starting to think the Texans made that trade with NE for a 5th rounder because it is part of what they need to move up somewhere in the 1st round....or back into the 1st round.

I would not be surprised at all if they trade from 13 up to the 8-10 range in order to take Stingley or Garrett Wilson (probably Stingley).

#13 + #80 + #170 gets you to #8 in most draft pick value charts.

Or...if they stay at #3 and #13 and trade back into the 1st...

#37 + #108 +#170 gets you back into the #29-32 area.
One of the CBS guys had the Texans taking Stingley with the #3 pick. He has been rising up the charts. With his talent 5 years from now he could be the star of the draft. Or a guy that annually plays about half the season.
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IrishAg said:

lunchbox said:

I'm starting to think the Texans made that trade with NE for a 5th rounder because it is part of what they need to move up somewhere in the 1st round....or back into the 1st round.

I would not be surprised at all if they trade from 13 up to the 8-10 range in order to take Stingley or Garrett Wilson (probably Stingley).

#13 + #80 + #170 gets you to #8 in most draft pick value charts.

Or...if they stay at #3 and #13 and trade back into the 1st...

#37 + #108 +#170 gets you back into the #29-32 area.
It also might be a package setup to just move up a little. From everything I've seen/heard, a lot of people believe there is a pretty big drop in the talent level as you're approaching the 5th round. So dumping 6th and 7th rounders this year to move up and grab an extra 4th would probably be worth it. From there you fill in with the undrafted free agents.


Part of the Patriots draft playbook. Seem like towards the end of the draft they'll trade a 7 for a future 6 or 6 for a future 5.
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Exactly! So I wouldn't be surprised if we move those 6's and the 7.
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I'm starting to think it will be Gardner at 3 because there won't be a CB there at 13 but you will have options for OL, WR or DL.
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MaxPower said:

I'm starting to think it will be Gardner at 3 because there won't be a CB there at 13 but you will have options for OL, WR or DL.


I can see that too, but I think it depends on who is picked first and second. I bet we take Ekwonu if he's still there, and Sauce if he's not. Rumor on the blogs and podcasts is that the Texan's really like Ekwonu and might have him top of the board.
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MaxPower said:

I'm starting to think it will be Gardner at 3 because there won't be a CB there at 13 but you will have options for OL, WR or DL.
I haven't seen anything on Gardner going that high but I'm ok with it if Caserio thinks that's the best option. Of those 4 position groups you mentioned, the Texans need all 4 badly and will have a high 1 next year along with likely a mid-round 1. With that many high selections they really should just go with the best player available option, especially if they see Tunsil as their longterm LT.
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Whether it is at 3 or 13 I hope they draft an OT because I want them to so solidify the OL so they can see this year if they should move forward with Mills after next year or draft a QB in 2023 where the class is way stronger. If Mills is a dud then we'll have a high draft pick next year to get a QB. But if he continues to improve and show he can be our QB then we are set there.

I think the NC State kid or Neal at 3 would be great picks. If they draft defense at 3 then I wouldn't mind seeing them trade 13 to get more picks and getting Green somewhere in the 16-22 range.
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Howard played really well at LT last year. I guess I don't see OT as much of a need unless we're planning on trading Tunsil. Which doesn't seem like the case since we restructured him. You can find quality interior OL later in the draft.
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Ryan34 said:

Howard played really well at LT last year. I guess I don't see OT as much of a need unless we're planning on trading Tunsil. Which doesn't seem like the case since we restructured him. You can find quality interior OL later in the draft.
I'm only good for Ekwonu at 3 (not Neal) because he can slide inside for his early years and then slide outside when he's ready or when he's a better player than one of the other two. He just seems like someone you take for the 10-20 year plan since he is willing and able to fit in where the team would need year 1. You could get him, have Tunsil for 2 years at LT, Howard for 2 years at RT, and Ekwonu as a pro bowl guard for 2 years, then kick him outside whenever one of the other 2 slips for a pro bowl left or right tackle. With the way the team is setup, he's one of the rare players in this draft that could come in and play day 1 with an immediate high impact now and 10 years from now, which is why I think he would be great at #3.

Hutchinson is the only other player than I could see who has the best potential (skills, size, mentality) to be an immediate day 1 impact player. Not saying others wouldn't be great picks, but those 2 are automatic grand slam home runs for me. Others are home runs (like Sauce or Walker), but just not the same impact right off the bat.
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I just don't see an OG as an impact position. Cincinnati made the Super Bowl with an atrocious OL. We desperately need playmakers. CB, DE and WR are where I'd focus in the first round. OG/OC in the 2nd or 3rd rounds. Obviously have to get a RB at some point too, hopefully early enough to get an early contributor.
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. . . said:


If true, I love it. Caserio seems to favor the idea of moving up to land a player they really value as opposed to waiting patiently for somebody to fall (and seeing someone swoop in above you) or trade back for the ever popular "more picks."
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at this point, would be surprised if its anyone but Stingley at 3
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Ryan34 said:

I just don't see an OG as an impact position. Cincinnati made the Super Bowl with an atrocious OL. We desperately need playmakers. CB, DE and WR are where I'd focus in the first round. OG/OC in the 2nd or 3rd rounds. Obviously have to get a RB at some point too, hopefully early enough to get an early contributor.
Cincinnati made it IN SPITE OF an atrocious OL. That was luck, not a plan.
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Snake Jazz said:

. . . said:


If true, I love it. Caserio seems to favor the idea of moving up to land a player they really value as opposed to waiting patiently for somebody to fall (and seeing someone swoop in above you) or trade back for the ever popular "more picks."
I've been wondering if Caserio has been talking to the Jets or Giants. Picking at 5 & 7 or 4 & 10 is a little more desirable than 3 & 13, and shouldn't cost a lot to do it. If no one really wants to trade up and everyone else wants to trade down, then in theory there's value there.

My buddy that's a Jets fan thinks they are still in play for Deebo so only deal they might do involves the 49ers.
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Max Power said:

Snake Jazz said:

. . . said:


If true, I love it. Caserio seems to favor the idea of moving up to land a player they really value as opposed to waiting patiently for somebody to fall (and seeing someone swoop in above you) or trade back for the ever popular "more picks."
I've been wondering if Caserio has been talking to the Jets or Giants. Picking at 5 & 7 or 4 & 10 is a little more desirable than 3 & 13, and shouldn't cost a lot to do it. If no one really wants to trade up and everyone else wants to trade down, then in theory there's value there.

My buddy that's a Jets fan thinks they are still in play for Deebo so only deal they might do involves the 49ers.
That Carolina spot at #6 might be relatively cheap to jump to from 13 since they are done until the 4th round
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Ryan34 said:

I just don't see an OG as an impact position. Cincinnati made the Super Bowl with an atrocious OL. We desperately need playmakers. CB, DE and WR are where I'd focus in the first round. OG/OC in the 2nd or 3rd rounds. Obviously have to get a RB at some point too, hopefully early enough to get an early contributor.
Impact is relative in our case. Cincinnati is more of an outlier since they added a top line receiver to an already outstanding group of skill players on offense. I don't look at Ekwonu as, us drafting a guard, we're drafting him as a tackle, but it gives us a ton of flexibility in how we build our offense. Kind of like Travon Walker, a lot of people think the Jaguars will take him because they already have two high end edge talents on the team and Walker can play at end of 1st and 2nd down opposite Josh Allen and then move inside on on 3rd down/passing downs with Arden Key playing end next to him to use their talent more effectively to rush the passer. That could trump Hutchinson who is an end, and only an end. So you can grab him and upgrade your talent, but you have to potentially dump another talented that could make your team better but you can't use him anymore.

It all comes down to talent vs fit. It's why I hated the Clowney pick back in the day and wanted us to just go ahead and draft Khalil Mack at 1st overall. Clowney had a ton of talent (probably more than Mack), but he just never fit as well with our talent that was already in place like Khalil Mack would have.
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Aaron Donald was also in that draft IIRC.
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Max Power said:

Aaron Donald was also in that draft IIRC.
Yes he was....that is one of those sad hindsight moments of thinking about having Aaron Donald next to JJ Watt in his prime......

Mike Evans and Jake Mathews were also in that draft
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Snake Jazz said:

Ryan34 said:

I just don't see an OG as an impact position. Cincinnati made the Super Bowl with an atrocious OL. We desperately need playmakers. CB, DE and WR are where I'd focus in the first round. OG/OC in the 2nd or 3rd rounds. Obviously have to get a RB at some point too, hopefully early enough to get an early contributor.
Cincinnati made it IN SPITE OF an atrocious OL. That was luck, not a plan.

Luck or not, they still won, and the point is to get talent that has the most impact on wins & losses, especially at the top of the draft. I'm certainly not saying the Texans should plan on having a bad OL or neglect it entirely. Just that OG isn't worthy of a top 5 pick.
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Kiper's final mock has these picks:

3) Ekwonu
13) Hamilton

McShay
3) Stingley
13) mock trade to Dallas for 24 with us taking Tyler Smith, G/T from Tulsa.
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What is Dallas giving us in that deal?
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About a 5% chance that any story the national media puppets are putting out about what the Texans "want" to do is accurate. We learned this over the last 12 months with the Deshaun stuff, I don't think Caserio would change his posturing immediately before the draft.
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