I'm sick of it already. Just take the best QB available at 2 and give them three seasons. If they fail, you try again.LincolnBorglum79 said:
What would it take for the Texans to trade out of number 2? If ArIzona really has 6 teams interested in 3, can Houston get another first round pick next year plus a bunch of picks this year? Is this all just the usual smoke screen 2 weeks before the draft?
If the Eagles really would give up picks 10 and 30 and both a 1 and 2 next year to trade up to 2, I think the Texans might bite. SF built a great defense, good skill positions on offense and Brock Purdy at QB and almost made the SB. Could Hooker or Stetson Bennett or Maybe Richardson get the Texans to 8-9 with the weak schedule and a much improved defense? If not then you have 3 ones next year to get your next guy.
Looking back to 2002, had the Texans drafted Peppers instead of David Carr first overall, would they have been better off? Some years there are no great QBs and ever Pat Mahomes went 10th, 8 spots after Mitch Tribisky.
The pre draft bluffing will continue.
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If you fail, you are doing more than just trying again....you are starting over with a new GM, and most likely a new coach.Snake Jazz said:I'm sick of it already. Just take the best QB available at 2 and give them three seasons. If they fail, you try again.LincolnBorglum79 said:
What would it take for the Texans to trade out of number 2? If ArIzona really has 6 teams interested in 3, can Houston get another first round pick next year plus a bunch of picks this year? Is this all just the usual smoke screen 2 weeks before the draft?
If the Eagles really would give up picks 10 and 30 and both a 1 and 2 next year to trade up to 2, I think the Texans might bite. SF built a great defense, good skill positions on offense and Brock Purdy at QB and almost made the SB. Could Hooker or Stetson Bennett or Maybe Richardson get the Texans to 8-9 with the weak schedule and a much improved defense? If not then you have 3 ones next year to get your next guy.
Looking back to 2002, had the Texans drafted Peppers instead of David Carr first overall, would they have been better off? Some years there are no great QBs and ever Pat Mahomes went 10th, 8 spots after Mitch Tribisky.
The pre draft bluffing will continue.
What is "it"? Perfectly valid to question taking a QB at 2. Take the best QB available at 2 regardless of whether you believe in him or think a sure fire stud defensive player is available is idiotic but supremely Texans.
Media just throwing ish against the wall, it's so boring
MaxPower said:
What is "it"? Perfectly valid to question taking a QB at 2. Take the best QB available at 2 regardless of whether you believe in him or think a sure fire stud defensive player is available is idiotic but supremely Texans.
Is there a "sure fire stud defensive player" in this draft? Probably not…some good guys, but Anderson, Carter and Wilson all have different red flags.
Your current QBs are Davis Mills and Case Keenum. Neither is the answer. Taking a QB is always a gamble, but the Texans must place a bet at some point.
Young and Stroud are both talented and likely better than any QB in this draft or the next, with the lone exception Caleb Williams. If they pass on a QB at 2, I think it's unlikely they will have a better opportunity.
Just my opinion, but I'll be disappointed if they don't take Young or Stroud. I don't think any of these defensive players are THAT good, and we have plenty of picks already.
Carolina, Houston and.Arizona are trying to entice an offer that will speed up their rebuilding. When Mel Kiper starts predicting QBs go 1,2,3,4 in the draft you know that's not happening.
The bluffing will continue until the actual picks are turned in on April 27. If the Texans end up with a much improved defense along with more weapons at RB, WR TE, it may be possible for a second year QB like Davis Mills to lead them to a wild card. Or maybe a second round QB might turn out better than the top 4. Happens a lot.
The bluffing will continue until the actual picks are turned in on April 27. If the Texans end up with a much improved defense along with more weapons at RB, WR TE, it may be possible for a second year QB like Davis Mills to lead them to a wild card. Or maybe a second round QB might turn out better than the top 4. Happens a lot.
redag06 said:If you fail, you are doing more than just trying again....you are starting over with a new GM, and most likely a new coach.Snake Jazz said:I'm sick of it already. Just take the best QB available at 2 and give them three seasons. If they fail, you try again.LincolnBorglum79 said:
What would it take for the Texans to trade out of number 2? If ArIzona really has 6 teams interested in 3, can Houston get another first round pick next year plus a bunch of picks this year? Is this all just the usual smoke screen 2 weeks before the draft?
If the Eagles really would give up picks 10 and 30 and both a 1 and 2 next year to trade up to 2, I think the Texans might bite. SF built a great defense, good skill positions on offense and Brock Purdy at QB and almost made the SB. Could Hooker or Stetson Bennett or Maybe Richardson get the Texans to 8-9 with the weak schedule and a much improved defense? If not then you have 3 ones next year to get your next guy.
Looking back to 2002, had the Texans drafted Peppers instead of David Carr first overall, would they have been better off? Some years there are no great QBs and ever Pat Mahomes went 10th, 8 spots after Mitch Tribisky.
The pre draft bluffing will continue.
That is the nature of the business. But, I think DeMeco would be safe. Caserio coukd be out if either is a total bust, but I don't think either will be. The floor is fairly high on both.
LincolnBorglum79 said:
Carolina, Houston and.Arizona are trying to entice an offer that will speed up their rebuilding. When Mel Kiper starts predicting QBs go 1,2,3,4 in the draft you know that's not happening.
The bluffing will continue until the actual picks are turned in on April 27. If the Texans end up with a much improved defense along with more weapons at RB, WR TE, it may be possible for a second year QB like Davis Mills to lead them to a wild card. Or maybe a second round QB might turn out better than the top 4. Happens a lot.
I don't think any of these qbs on the slate are worth our first pick when we can trade down for more top picks and shore up more young talent. I think you grab a Qb in the second round or wait for one to fall to 12 or wait till next year.
https://instagram.com/stories/deandrehopkins/3079758560100221646?utm_source=ig_story_item_share&igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
Hopkins posting HTown highlights in his story
Hopkins posting HTown highlights in his story
How do you know they can trade down?
This is what I hate most about draft projections. You can't assume a trade down or you can't hold it against any team for not trading down. That's out of their control.
Yeah they'd like to trade down, but if no one wants to move and there's not a trade there then that's not their fault. GMs will say you always prepare to pick where you're at.
This is what I hate most about draft projections. You can't assume a trade down or you can't hold it against any team for not trading down. That's out of their control.
Yeah they'd like to trade down, but if no one wants to move and there's not a trade there then that's not their fault. GMs will say you always prepare to pick where you're at.
I think he means if the offer is right there is no reason not to trade down. Offers that don't include a first round pick next year plus multiple picks this year are probably not good enough.
The Texans have won playoff games with Matt schaub and TJ Yates playing QB, because they had a strong defense and guys like Andre Johnson and Arian Foster. Just remember these experts did not have Patrick Mahomes or Josh
Allen as top QB prospects.
The Texans have won playoff games with Matt schaub and TJ Yates playing QB, because they had a strong defense and guys like Andre Johnson and Arian Foster. Just remember these experts did not have Patrick Mahomes or Josh
Allen as top QB prospects.
Caserio was hired in January of 2021. Since then...
2021 ---> 4-13
2022 ---> 3-13-1
how much time does he have to wait on a quarterback?
2021 ---> 4-13
2022 ---> 3-13-1
how much time does he have to wait on a quarterback?
Not this dead horse again.
Throw those seasons out the window. This records were by plan based on what he inherited.
The evaluation period for Nick begins now. The Demeco hire and this draft will go a long ways into his evaluation.
Throw those seasons out the window. This records were by plan based on what he inherited.
The evaluation period for Nick begins now. The Demeco hire and this draft will go a long ways into his evaluation.
Caserio inherited a cap strung team that was 3rd worst in the NFL without the first round pick and a franchise QB who publicly announced he quit on the organization. He's since untangled the cap mess as well as put the team in position to rebuild with better draft capital.
In my view, he really starts his legacy as GM with this draft. So by that measure, another 2-3 years.
In my view, he really starts his legacy as GM with this draft. So by that measure, another 2-3 years.
With more noise out there about Young being picked by Carolina I've been doing some more reviewing of Stroud and I'm really liking a lot of what he can do. I know a lot of the media is bringing up the Georgia game but they forgot his performance in the Rose Bowl vs Utah, the guy just kept fighting, there's a lot to like with Stroud. Either guy makes Houston better IMO. Also of note is what JSN did in that same Rose Bowl. I still think Houston goes edge rusher at 12 but a combo of Stroud and JSN in this draft could be a good thing.
I'm still a bigger fan of Young but I don't think he's the only guy to get excited about, Stroud is a good QB.
Rose Bowl
37/46 for 573 yards
6 TD / 1 Int
No Olave or Wilson in that game
JSN 15 catches for 347 yards and 3 TDs
Georgia highlights as well.
23/34 for 348 yards
4 TD / 0 Int
I'm still a bigger fan of Young but I don't think he's the only guy to get excited about, Stroud is a good QB.
Rose Bowl
37/46 for 573 yards
6 TD / 1 Int
No Olave or Wilson in that game
JSN 15 catches for 347 yards and 3 TDs
Georgia highlights as well.
23/34 for 348 yards
4 TD / 0 Int
I hate this take. Why take a QB when you can take what is behind Door #1????Tom Kazansky 2012 said:LincolnBorglum79 said:
Carolina, Houston and.Arizona are trying to entice an offer that will speed up their rebuilding. When Mel Kiper starts predicting QBs go 1,2,3,4 in the draft you know that's not happening.
The bluffing will continue until the actual picks are turned in on April 27. If the Texans end up with a much improved defense along with more weapons at RB, WR TE, it may be possible for a second year QB like Davis Mills to lead them to a wild card. Or maybe a second round QB might turn out better than the top 4. Happens a lot.
I don't think any of these qbs on the slate are worth our first pick when we can trade down for more top picks and shore up more young talent. I think you grab a Qb in the second round or wait for one to fall to 12 or wait till next year.
I hate everything that has come out in the last few days. I've felt pretty comfortable since the season ended that the Texans genuinely felt good about more than one QB in this draft and were willing to take whichever was there at 2. If they really only like Young, then why in the hell didn't they make sure they acquire the first pick? When they showed no or little interest in moving up, that was the easy assumption to make.
Now, we're hearing that they really only like Young and if he goes first (as everybody now seems to think), they're going to pass on a QB and either draft a defensive player or trade down. This is stupid, and here is why:
You're then essentially gift-wrapping CJ Stroud for one of your division rivals. If Stroud falls to three, there is a high chance one of Tennessee or Indy moves up to 3 to draft him. Hell, if we take Wilson, the Cards might take Anderson and Stroud falls in Indy's lap.
If the Texans are going to pass on Stroud, they better be 100% sure he is going to be a bust. The biggest nightmare about "winning" that final game with Indy was not only that we wouldn't get Young, but that Indy would trade up to get him and we would have to face him twice a year for the next decade or so. Well, the same logic applies if we pass on Stroud and he becomes a perennial Pro Bowler for either of those teams to draft or move up to get. Think he won't relish the chance to rub our faces in it twice a year because we didn't draft him?
Here is the simple solution: draft CJ Stroud. He is good. In a QB friendly system, he can be a top 10 QB in the league. I like Young more, as well, but as prospects go, Stroud is pretty damn good. Do you want to see him in a Colts or Titans jersey? And, what QB is sitting in the mystery box that you are so impressed with? After Stroud, there is a BIG drop off, and only one team can draft Caleb Williams next season.
If they decide NOT to draft Stroud, then they MUST trade their pick to some team outside our division who is going up to get Stroud. Vegas makes the most sense. Even if Indy or Tennessee is offering more, you move it to a non-division rival.
If we move the 2nd pick to Indy or Tennessee to let them draft Stroud, we deserve to get every bit of ridicule there is in the NFL world when he ends up being a good NFL QB.
I hope all of this is just smoke and mirrors. I get not liking Stroud as much as Young, but the options beyond Stroud are either buying the Anthony Richardson lottery ticket, settling for a second tier prospect, or punting the QB decision until next year when there are no guarantees that our options will be any better.
Again, if Young is gone...just draft Stroud.
Texans with a new GM after April……
bilbobag said:
Texans with a new GM after April……
Whaaaaat
Im looking for Ray Finkle.... and a clean pair of shorts. Im just a very big Finkle fan. This is my Graceland, sir.
MAGA
MAGA
Congrats on the promotion, Bilbobilbobag said:
Texans with a new GM after April……
Guessing this in relation to this
https://nesn.com/2023/04/nfl-reporter-floats-eye-popping-nick-caserio-patriots-rumor/
https://nesn.com/2023/04/nfl-reporter-floats-eye-popping-nick-caserio-patriots-rumor/
Quote:
John McClain, who covers the Texans for Gallery Sports, said a friend told him at the NFL Scouting Combine that Caserio Houston's current general manager will rejoin the Patriots after this month's 2023 NFL Draft.
So we are going to let a guy with one foot out the door handle a draft that needs to change the direction of the franchise?
Makes no sense for Caserio to take a step down on job. I get that he has familiarity in NE and Bill is probably only a few years from retiring or getting canned, but he would be leaving a lot of money and experience as a GM by going. If he really wants the NE GM job, just wait a few years and it'll open up. If he turns Houston successful, he's the shoe-in candidate.
Oy, seems much ado about nothing but who knows! Still waiting on the alleged Deshaun "documentary" he was putting together away from the team.
Oy, seems much ado about nothing but who knows! Still waiting on the alleged Deshaun "documentary" he was putting together away from the team.
Starting soon after last season, it has seemed like something has changed at the top of the Texans organization in that decision making has been very good and very decisive, rather than the slow moving decisions we've seen since BoB was run off. I'll ask the same question I did a few months ago, who is actually running the Texans? Would make sense for Caserio to leave if he has lost power.
Would seem to almost guarantee Texans take whichever of the top 2 QBs Carolina passes on as that would be the safe move, especially if the coaches are on board with that player.WES2006AG said:
So we are going to let a guy with one foot out the door handle a draft that needs to change the direction of the franchise?
WES2006AG said:
So we are going to let a guy with one foot out the door handle a draft that needs to change the direction of the franchise?
Doesn't sounds like a good idea but I think this is standard protocol for NFL teams with departing teams. Didn't Gaine head up a draft right before he departed?
I think they'd rather do that rather than have a new GM get caught up in short order or not have a GM in place. Plus a departing GM doesn't mean the staff behind the scenes doing most of the in the weeds work is departing too.
To further flesh out the rumor: the talk is that 49ers assistant GM Adam Peters would be targeted to replace Caserio https://t.co/CgQKmN6Ve7
— Michael Silver (@MikeSilver) April 13, 2023
Honestly, if all of these rumors about us not taking a QB are true, then he needs to be gone just from the fact that will mean for the second year in a row that Lance Zerlein and others have reported on exactly what we were planning to do in draft. So with this news, I believe that we aren't going with a QB at #2 and will go BPA, and then the organization better pray that Stroud sucks at Indy or Tennessee.
If he does the draft and then leaves, the texans will officially replace the 1980s clippers as the dumbest franchise of all time
The Porkchop Express said:
If he does the draft and then leaves, the texans will officially replace the 1980s clippers as the dumbest franchise of all time
It's the GM equivalent of letting the fired head coach still coach in the last game and cost you the #1 pick.
Honestly, I don't think the ESPN/McClains know anything. This all feels like them still trying to paint the Texans as the idiots they have been in the past few years.
It seems to me all this FUD is coming from other organizations in an attempt to make the Texans make a bad move. But you're locked in at 2 and 12 get some top talent and give the league the finger.
The Caserio situation buzz feels like it's more of the same.
It seems to me all this FUD is coming from other organizations in an attempt to make the Texans make a bad move. But you're locked in at 2 and 12 get some top talent and give the league the finger.
The Caserio situation buzz feels like it's more of the same.
Unless you think Stroud is a dud then you both get the best player available AND stock a division rival.
We have seen this scenario play out before. Casserly manned the 2006 draft where we took Mario(and made several other good picks) before handing it off to Rick Smith and the new coaching staff.
I think it would make sense that Caserio is moving on based on what we saw this offseason. Very conservatively played and no contracts that would hamstring a future GM.
The first round picks will be organizational decisions either way, especially #2. Lots of input from Cal and Demeco. Caserio did ok from rounds 2-7 last year so let he and his team take the rest of the draft.
If thats how it plays out, then its not egregious. I very meh on Caserio and understand why he might want out. Adam Peters is a big time up and comer and would bring an exciting new perspective to the organization.
I think it would make sense that Caserio is moving on based on what we saw this offseason. Very conservatively played and no contracts that would hamstring a future GM.
The first round picks will be organizational decisions either way, especially #2. Lots of input from Cal and Demeco. Caserio did ok from rounds 2-7 last year so let he and his team take the rest of the draft.
If thats how it plays out, then its not egregious. I very meh on Caserio and understand why he might want out. Adam Peters is a big time up and comer and would bring an exciting new perspective to the organization.
The one thing I know. Everything is misinformation. Texans are not going to show their hand.
Um, Newsflash, friend, the #2 pick is EXACTLY THE SAME THING as the #1 pick.JT05 said:The Porkchop Express said:
If he does the draft and then leaves, the texans will officially replace the 1980s clippers as the dumbest franchise of all time
It's the GM equivalent of letting the fired head coach still coach in the last game and cost you the #1 pick.
Also drafted in 2006 was the defensive rookie of the year, DeMeco Ryans.coastalAg said:
We have seen this scenario play out before. Casserly manned the 2006 draft where we took Mario(and made several other good picks) before handing it off to Rick Smith and the new coaching staff.
I think it would make sense that Caserio is moving on based on what we saw this offseason. Very conservatively played and no contracts that would hamstring a future GM.
The first round picks will be organizational decisions either way, especially #2. Lots of input from Cal and Demeco. Caserio did ok from rounds 2-7 last year so let he and his team take the rest of the draft.
If thats how it plays out, then its not egregious. I very meh on Caserio and understand why he might want out. Adam Peters is a big time up and comer and would bring an exciting new perspective to the organization.
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