You're missing the point. The contention by the poster I responded to was that they weren't comfortable with the limited info available due to Covid, etc. Well, if that's the case, then inherently it would not be difficult to really like someone. I can understand using a pick because you couldn't find a reasonable trade but why trade up at the expense of a future pick?

They also traded up 10 picks before the pick they acquired was up. I thought that was odd at the time. The rumor is Oakland actually drafted the guy they wanted two picks ahead of their newly acquired draft position. If true then just further evidence they are morons.

What do you mean? All I asked was clarification on what the proposal was. I get why people might not like what they did in the draft, but I don't have any real issues with it myself.

My mom just talked to Deandre Hopkins at North Italia in Houston. Made me pissed at BOB all over again.

I've sat at that table. Makes you think.

Cal is a clown. Not enough bad things can happen to him.

The Texans can **** up a losing season,

9-7 book it

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Texans sign jeff dreskill and tawyon taylor

If the Texans win more than 2 games it should be considered dereliction of duty by the coaching staff.

Whooo

Soon the Texans will have the same number of QBs as Deshaun has accusers.

that's all part of the plan.

the Texans need the 1st pick.

and in not just the 1st round...the 2nd round too...and the 3rd round also

Cal may be a clown, but Caserio seems to have some upside. We know Culley is more of a culture coach and won't be the coach when the time comes to make a run.

We just have to suffer through the next 3/4 years of crap and hope that we get pieces in place to set up the next run.

The plan is to run the Wing T offense with three QBs in the backfield

This was a very thorough, and somewhat damning, article by SI:

The Problems in the Deshaun Watson Cases Go Beyond Deshaun Watson

The biggest thing that stuck out to me is it's pretty clear the Texans did not stir this pot. In fact, it seems Cal tried to defuse it and potentially help Deshaun (obviously from a self interest motivation).

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Susan next heard from Solis's colleague just before Christmas in 2020a full month before Buzbee told the Washington Post that Solis first contacted his firm. (When asked about the discrepancy, Buzbee, via email, responded, "She was in contact with us for several months prior to filing the lawsuit.") This time she forwarded Susan a screenshot of a message that asked whether Susan would talk to "Ashley's lawyer (in reference to this summer and the Texans player)." The colleague identified Ashley Solis by name and said that her attorney was "Cornelia Harvey." She then shared a phone number that matches Cornelia Brandfield-Harvey, an associate at The Buzbee Law Firm. This exchange was before Week 16 of the NFL season and weeks before Watson's trade demand, defusing the conspiracy theory that has swirled, even in some NFL circles, that the suits are somehow related to Watson's discord with the team.

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About two weeks after the first suits against Watson were filed, a lawyer who said he was representing Texans owner Cal McNair did approach both attorneys, seeking to broker a mediation. A statement from the Texans organization, emailed by a team spokesperson, says, "Mr. McNair was aware that his personal attorney contacted both parties to suggest mediation. Mr. McNair has had no personal involvement in any of those discussions. The Houston Texans organization has not had any direct contact with either party."

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Texans releasing ryan finley

Didnt we trade a 6th round pick for him?

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Didnt we trade a 6th round pick for him?

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It was a pick swap. Not a big deal.

They traded a 6th for Finley and a 7th back. So, effectively traded back a round to get him.

Don't see much difference in 6th v 7th rounders, personally, but we did technically "trade a 6th".

Caserio is certainly an upgrade over his predecessors. But that's not saying much. He hasn't done anything yet to suggest he's anything more than league average at best.

As it stands now, I would give him a B-. Free agent moves and salary modifications were fine for this year. But none of it was anything any competent GM wouldn't have done, and none of it makes the team appreciably better now or in the future. Didn't like the draft much at all. Don't see how Mills can possibly accomplish enough on this crap team to prevent them from using their first on a QB next year. And when they do, the Mills experiment is likely over. I think the odds are extremely high that he will be a wasted pick by as soon as this time next year.

While I realize this is the "bottom out" year, it's not crazy to expect him to add one or 2 pieces that may pay dividends down the road this year. Absent the WR we drafted, I don't see that happening (and he arguably gave up too much to get him).

If the goal is to "bottom out" next year, then that Finley trade is a really really dumb move in hindsight.

Assuming the Texans finish last...which they most likely will...they are trading picks at the top of a round for those that may be considerably later. If the Bengals finish mid-league, then Texans basically traded a late 5th round pick for a mid 7th round...

Not really a smart or consistent game plan.

The draft picks were for the 2021 draft, not next year's. The Bengals drafted a RB with the pick.

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The draft picks were for the 2021 draft, not next year's. The Bengals drafted a RB with the pick.

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That actually upgrades it from disaster to just bad.

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I'm trying to think of why Caserio would think picking Mills was a smart move.

If he hits on a player at another position in the third round, the team has that player signed to a four year contract. What are the odds that the Texans are good by year 4 if they don't find a franchise QB?

So maybe he's trying to draft a QB until he hits on one? I would've preferred to take the best available player, and plan on taking a QB with the top pick next year.

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I'm trying to think of why Caserio would think picking Mills was a smart move.

If he hits on a player at another position in the third round, the team has that player signed to a four year contract. What are the odds that the Texans are good by year 4 if they don't find a franchise QB?

So maybe he's trying to draft a QB until he hits on one? I would've preferred to take the best available player, and plan on taking a QB with the top pick next year.

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Mills has basically a 4yr/$5M contract. If he doesn't hit on being a starter, that's still a cheap backup.

Your idea is good. The only issue is are any of the top QBs next year really substantially better than Mills? At this point, I don't think so, but I don't know.

We should all remember that Blake Bortles, Blane Gabbert, Jake Locker, Josh Rosen, RGIII, etc. were all top 10 picks. Unless there's a sure-fire pick, sometimes the value of QBs is artificially elevated and teams reach because they feel the top pick needs to be a QB.

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We should all remember that Blake Bortles, Blane Gabbert, Jake Locker, Josh Rosen, RGIII, etc. were all top 10 picks. Unless there's a sure-fire pick, sometimes the value of QBs is artificially elevated and teams reach because they feel the top pick needs to be a QB.

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Agree. And the Redskins drafted Kirk Cousins in a later round after taking RG3 early.

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And when they do, the Mills experiment is likely over. I think the odds are extremely high that he will be a wasted pick by as soon as this time next year.

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I'm trying to think of why Caserio would think picking Mills was a smart move.

If he hits on a player at another position in the third round, the team has that player signed to a four year contract. What are the odds that the Texans are good by year 4 if they don't find a franchise QB?

So maybe he's trying to draft a QB until he hits on one? I would've preferred to take the best available player, and plan on taking a QB with the top pick next year.

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Mills has basically a 4yr/$5M contract. If he doesn't hit on being a starter, that's still a cheap backup.

Your idea is good. The only issue is are any of the top QBs next year really substantially better than Mills? At this point, I don't think so, but I don't know.

We should all remember that Blake Bortles, Blane Gabbert, Jake Locker, Josh Rosen, RGIII, etc. were all top 10 picks. Unless there's a sure-fire pick, sometimes the value of QBs is artificially elevated and teams reach because they feel the top pick needs to be a QB.

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Not sure why you'd include RGIII in that list. Don't like the guy or his school, but he was on the path to being a good, if not great, NFL QB before Shanahan ruined him on his way out the door at Washington.

There are plenty of first round misses no doubt. And as bad as those odds are, they get even worse the further you drop in the draft. I don't remember where I saw it but someone went through the 3rd round QBs selected over the last decade or so. Of the dozens taken, the success stories were basically Russell Wilson and Cousins. Extremely low odds.

And I would give Mills even lower odds because I think the Texans will end up taking a QB next year with their 1st pick. And that QB will be given the benefit of the doubt (and all the practice reps).

Edit-not sure how i ended up with the scream face.

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There are plenty of first round misses no doubt. And as bad as those odds are, they get even worse the further you drop in the draft. I don't remember where I saw it but someone went through the 3rd round QBs selected over the last decade or so. Of the dozens taken, the success stories were basically Russell Wilson and Cousins. Extremely low odds.

And I would give Mills even lower odds because I think the Texans will end up taking a QB next year with their 1st pick. And that QB will be given the benefit of the doubt (and all the practice reps).

Edit-not sure how i ended up with the scream face.

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I'd guess every position has about the same hit rate in the third round.

The odds clearly go down each round. But I suspect premier positions go down even faster because of the attendant "reaching" in earlier rounds. And no position is more premier than QB. I bet you would be hard pressed to find another position that has only produced a couple starters over the last decade.

I would still guess that QB has a similar hit rate in the 3rd round as every position.