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What would've happened had we gone for it and failed, instead of taking those 3 points? We'd be calling that the turning point of the game and blaming BOB's incompetence for losing the momentum. I don't blame him for kicking the FG. But the fake punt was moronic.

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Funny I thought the field goal was the turning point anyway with the reason being the way it happened. Team has momentum, you're driving it down their throats, getting good yardage on runs. We're feeling it. It's 4th and 1 and the Texans offense is still out on the field. However, the team looked confused and didn't have direction on what to do, had to call a time out, and then settle with 3 points. I am not a player, obviously, but that seemed like a big win for the Chiefs that series.

The fake punt was close. If Reid gets 1 ft to the right, Sorensen misses and its a first down. Texans had 10 Chiefs fooled, Sorensen just made a good play.

The real problem is the incongruous nature of his decision making. 4th and 1 on the opponents 10 yard line, with all the momentum, and we "didn't have a play". But you allow them a quick score and decide 4th and 4 on our own 31 is the time to do a fake punt? Then later in the game, Texans are down 17, have a 4th and 4 and he is thinking punt, calls timeout, then goes for it?

BoB's in game strategy seems like guess work. He blurs the line between being aggressive, clueless, cocky, and conservative.

As long as O'Brien is the coach, I'm moving the Texans next to the Rockets in my "Gamecast unless something cool is happening" category. With 2 kids, a wife, 5 animals, and a business to run, I just can't keep wasting 3-4 hours a week every fall and winter setting myself up for massive disappointment.

Dropped my kids off at school and turned on 610 for a second to hear them come back from a break with the blocked punt Vandermeer call. We gave up 51 points and they're still the good time smile factory variety hour on the flagship.

I'm really surprised to hear the guys at 610 calling for BoB's job this morning, I didn't think they'd go there.

MuckRaker96 said:

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As long as O'Brien is the coach, I'm moving the Texans next to the Rockets in my "Gamecast unless something cool is happening" category. With 2 kids, a wife, 5 animals, and a business to run, I just can't keep wasting 3-4 hours a week every fall and winter setting myself up for massive disappointment.

Dropped my kids off at school and turned on 610 for a second to hear them come back from a break with the blocked punt Vandermeer call. We gave up 51 points and they're still the good time smile factory variety hour on the flagship.

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So much this.

The Texans will continue being mediocre until O'Brien is gone.

I feel really bad for DW4, Hop, JJ and the guys. How do any of them have faith in BoB? Yes, he's gotten them to win the AFC South with 9, 9, 11 and 10 wins. They are NEVER dominant. The only time I think the Texans were dominant was back in 2012 before Schaub got hurt. Since then, it's been who can be the tallest midget?

Where are the 13-3 or 14-2 seasons? The Texans have the talent, but constantly disappoint. It's frustrating as a fan. It has to be 10 times as frustrating as a player. Imagine being JJ Watt who has given every thing for the team. The guy plays hurt, rushes back from injury, and is a shell of himself on the field -- and for what? The team is going nowhere.

Then, the flagship is full of sunshine pumping. It's sad. It's sick.

People of Houston should demand more. When does the "We are just happy to have the NFL back in Houston" mentality wear off? It's almost been 20 years! The team -- even with all that talent -- can't get out of the divisional round! It's all about coaching.

The Texans should fire BoB, but they won't. They'll continue to be better than average. The team will continue to make cash. But, I've reserved myself to knowing with this leadership -- or lack thereof -- they won't even sniff a Super Bowl.

MuckRaker96 said:

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As long as O'Brien is the coach, I'm moving the Texans next to the Rockets in my "Gamecast unless something cool is happening" category. With 2 kids, a wife, 5 animals, and a business to run, I just can't keep wasting 3-4 hours a week every fall and winter setting myself up for massive disappointment.

Dropped my kids off at school and turned on 610 for a second to hear them come back from a break with the blocked punt Vandermeer call. We gave up 51 points and they're still the good time smile factory variety hour on the flagship.

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Depending on what time it was, it was likely not really 610 but the Texans themselves doing their shows which are 100% homerism. Vandermeer and company typically take over on Mondays following games at like 8 am until 10 am for a Texans show. Don't know if they did it today as yesterday was the last game of the season.

Those Texans shows (ALL of them) are unlistenable radio. Just terrible.

maca1028 said:

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I'm really surprised to hear the guys at 610 calling for BoB's job this morning, I didn't think they'd go there.

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When even 610 gets it you know it must be obvious. But it won't happen because teams think making the divisional round is an automatic bring back the coach scenario.

The Texans need to be bold and fire the coach. They may be a good play caller away from having an unstoppable offense.

At the very least bring in a new GM and for BOB to hire an OC and get a new DC. Seems to be the only way this should work from this point on out.

Maybe he gets better at the details that way.

At a minimum Romeo need to be shown the door. It would be nice to see them make a change at the top but we all know that isn't going to happen.

Reality is the FG on 4th and 1 and the fake punt ultimately didn't matter.

Sure, you can say that momentum might not have shifted... but not getting the 1st down on 4th and 1 and punting away instead of faking it might also have started the shift of momentum. Trying to assess when a momentum shift might have happened and how much of an impact it would have made is fool's gold.

Chiefs slept-walk through the first quarter. Easy dropped passes, muffed punts, blocked punts.

When they turned it on they scored at-will.

When you get outscored 51-7 -- with the opponents last two possessions ultimately being clock-burners -- then you really didn't have a prayer unless you could match them score for score.

While O'Brien definitely made some questionable calls (and should be shown the door based on what he's done overall), they ultimately didn't matter. Chiefs have a great offense, but they put up 50+ points in 3 quarters in 9 consecutive drives.

The loss falls on the defense. Chiefs could have put up 70+.

fire bob

Let's not act like it was just this game, it was completely foolish when BOB decided to go for it with 4th and 1 on the Bills' 30 yard line when we were up by 3 with barely over a minute left. Bills had no timeouts left. Going up by 6 forces the Bills to score a TD but we got stopped. So instead, Bills kicked a game tying field goal to go to OT which is anyone's guess in the NFL. He is completely unaware of the situation and what goes on around him. He looks like Sumlin out there.

WES2006AG said:

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At a minimum Romeo need to be shown the door. It would be nice to see them make a change at the top but we all know that isn't going to happen.

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I think Romeo did the best he could to make chicken salad out of chicken sh/t all season.

We simply don't have the personnel on defense.

WES2006AG said:

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At a minimum Romeo need to be shown the door. It would be nice to see them make a change at the top but we all know that isn't going to happen.

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If Jerry Jones can quit Jason Garrett, then Cal McNair can quit Bill O'Garrett.

pagerman @ work said:

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WES2006AG said:

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At a minimum Romeo need to be shown the door. It would be nice to see them make a change at the top but we all know that isn't going to happen.

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I think Romeo did the best he could to make chicken salad out of chicken sh/t all season.

We simply don't have the personnel on defense.

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We allowed a TD on 7 straight drives. That goes well beyond personnel.

Ryan34 said:

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pagerman @ work said:

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WES2006AG said:

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At a minimum Romeo need to be shown the door. It would be nice to see them make a change at the top but we all know that isn't going to happen.

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I think Romeo did the best he could to make chicken salad out of chicken sh/t all season.

We simply don't have the personnel on defense.

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We allowed a TD on 7 straight drives. That goes well beyond personnel.

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Not when your HC traded away all of your pass rushers on the line, minus 1 who is still trying to get his legs under him after coming off of what should have been season ending surgery. We couldn't even touch PM yesterday, and he had time to stand back there, check Tinder, and make dinner reservations before throwing the ball.

Another classic BoB move was sending the punt team out when down by 20 early in the 4th then burning a timeout when he figured out that he had to go for it at that point.

Just stupid.

The Texans lost 51-7.

The entire staff should be fired last night. Butt Chin continuously has his teams unprepared for playoff games.

aTm2004 said:

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Ryan34 said:

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pagerman @ work said:

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WES2006AG said:

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At a minimum Romeo need to be shown the door. It would be nice to see them make a change at the top but we all know that isn't going to happen.

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I think Romeo did the best he could to make chicken salad out of chicken sh/t all season.

We simply don't have the personnel on defense.

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We allowed a TD on 7 straight drives. That goes well beyond personnel.

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Not when your HC traded away all of your pass rushers on the line, minus 1 who is still trying to get his legs under him after coming off of what should have been season ending surgery. We couldn't even touch PM yesterday, and he had time to stand back there, check Tinder, and make dinner reservations before throwing the ball.

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We allowed 28 points in the 2nd quarter. That's more than all but 4 teams averaged allowing per game. Miami allowed the most at 30.9.

Clowney changes little to nothing yesterday. Gipson was a bigger hole. But regardless, zero excuse for the defensive performance yesterday.

Ryan34 said:

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aTm2004 said:

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Ryan34 said:

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pagerman @ work said:

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WES2006AG said:

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At a minimum Romeo need to be shown the door. It would be nice to see them make a change at the top but we all know that isn't going to happen.

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I think Romeo did the best he could to make chicken salad out of chicken sh/t all season.

We simply don't have the personnel on defense.

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We allowed a TD on 7 straight drives. That goes well beyond personnel.

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Not when your HC traded away all of your pass rushers on the line, minus 1 who is still trying to get his legs under him after coming off of what should have been season ending surgery. We couldn't even touch PM yesterday, and he had time to stand back there, check Tinder, and make dinner reservations before throwing the ball.

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We allowed 28 points in the 2nd quarter. That's more than all but 4 teams averaged allowing per game. Miami allowed the most at 30.9.

Clowney changes little to nothing yesterday. Gipson was a bigger hole. But regardless, zero excuse for the defensive performance yesterday.

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3 of those TDs were on a short field (long KO return, KO fumble, and dumb fake punt). Asschin mortgaged the team and got a decent #2 or 3 WR and a LT.

Now that our draft pick placement is finalized, Miami has the #5, #18, and #26 picks in the first round.

KidDoc said:

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Another classic BoB move was sending the punt team out when down by 20 early in the 4th then burning a timeout when he figured out that he had to go for it at that point.

Just stupid.

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For me the fireable offenses aren't the defensive play, or the way the team played yesterday. Those are all bad, don't get me wrong, but they don't concern me as much as the fact that the HC/OC, on multiple occasions during the game yesterday, was unprepared situationally to call a play that varied in any way from the normal, routine situations you would face in a mid-season game.

Want to fake a punt? Let's have enough indecision that you take forever to actually call the play and line up, thereby tipping your hand to the other team and allowing them to come up and defend what they now suspect is a fake, rather than being surprised by it.

In a regular season game, you punt that ball, and that's what Bill was prepared for. Get outside of the norm and suddenly we haven't had the foresight to know in advance that if we don't convert on 3rd down we are going to fake the punt. As HC/OC you HAVE to know that ahead of time and have communicated that to the special teams coach and the rest of the coaching staff.

Come up to a 4th down that you really need to go for it because of the game situation (down multiple scores late) and you don't have the presence of mind to realize that well before that 4th down situation. As a result you have to burn a timeout to get the correct team on the field and call the correct play. Again, outside of the normal "what happens on a normal mid-season game" situation, Bill was unprepared.

Again, get to 4th and 1 in a game you are up 24-0 in early and you opt to punt instead of going for it, which could have gone a long way to break the other team's spirit and led to piling points on to the lead, making a comeback that much more difficult. You punt because you "don't have a play for that" according to the coach, whatever that means. Again the HC/OC was unprepared in a game situation where you don't do the thing you would normally do in a mid-season game, i.e. punt.

All this indicates to me a severe lack of strategic thinking by BOB. Maybe this would be better if he was only the HC and not the OC, maybe not. But we have a clear and very real problem that, coupled with strategic issues like clock management, using timeouts and appealing calls throughout the season indicate that either BOB can't be both the HC/OC at the same time, or that BOB isn't a good, strategic HC, so either a structural change needs to take place and get an OC in here stat to fix the problem, or the HC needs to go.

Not enough blue stars can I give you pagerman. Stripping OC duties won't fix this either. He is incompetent with respect to game management issues, and no matter how excellent he may or may not be in other aspects of his job, and I certainly have an opinion there, his incompetence in game management is a non-starter for continuing to be the head coach of this team. You cannot fix it. You cannot live with it. Deshaun cannot overcome it. This head coach must be relieved of duty if this team has any chance to advance beyond its current level of achievement.

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Once the game became a new game(tie game), the Texans lost 51-7.

The entire staff should be fired last nigh. Butt Chin continuously has his teams unprepared for playoff games.

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Um, once the game was 24-0 the Texans lost 51-7.

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Yea...that's what I meant!

pagerman @ work said:

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KidDoc said:

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Another classic BoB move was sending the punt team out when down by 20 early in the 4th then burning a timeout when he figured out that he had to go for it at that point.

Just stupid.

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For me the fireable offenses aren't the defensive play, or the way the team played yesterday. Those are all bad, don't get me wrong, but they don't concern me as much as the fact that the HC/OC, on multiple occasions during the game yesterday, was unprepared situationally to call a play that varied in any way from the normal, routine situations you would face in a mid-season game.

Want to fake a punt? Let's have enough indecision that you take forever to actually call the play and line up, thereby tipping your hand to the other team and allowing them to come up and defend what they now suspect is a fake, rather than being surprised by it.

In a regular season game, you punt that ball, and that's what Bill was prepared for. Get outside of the norm and suddenly we haven't had the foresight to know in advance that if we don't convert on 3rd down we are going to fake the punt. As HC/OC you HAVE to know that ahead of time and have communicated that to the special teams coach and the rest of the coaching staff.

Come up to a 4th down that you really need to go for it because of the game situation (down multiple scores late) and you don't have the presence of mind to realize that well before that 4th down situation. As a result you have to burn a timeout to get the correct team on the field and call the correct play. Again, outside of the normal "what happens on a normal mid-season game" situation, Bill was unprepared.

Again, get to 4th and 1 in a game you are up 24-0 in early and you opt to punt instead of going for it, which could have gone a long way to break the other team's spirit and led to piling points on to the lead, making a comeback that much more difficult. You punt because you "don't have a play for that" according to the coach, whatever that means. Again the HC/OC was unprepared in a game situation where you don't do the thing you would normally do in a mid-season game, i.e. punt.

All this indicates to me a severe lack of strategic thinking by BOB. Maybe this would be better if he was only the HC and not the OC, maybe not. But we have a clear and very real problem that, coupled with strategic issues like clock management, using timeouts and appealing calls throughout the season indicate that either BOB can't be both the HC/OC at the same time, or that BOB isn't a good, strategic HC, so either a structural change needs to take place and get an OC in here stat to fix the problem, or the HC needs to go.

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And to add to it, look at the play calling around those 4th downs. Before the fake punt, we ran Hyde up the middle on 1st and 2nd down and then had an incompletion on 3rd. Those are extremely vanilla play calls, yet he then decides on 4th down that we can't afford to to give them the ball back. I could live with some conservative play calling or some aggressive play calling, but be consistent. Don't go conservative on 1-3 down and then aggressive on 4th. It makes no sense.

And he did the exact same thing last week against the Bills. Very vanilla play calls on 1st, 2nd, and 3rd downs and then he inexplicably decides we gotta go for it on 4th.

And blue star for you, too, good sir.

The worst thing of all is knowing we will never have a true winner as long as the Mcnairs own the team. Ever.

Cal's brilliant flat organizational structure failed.

more like flatlined I guess

Okay, so, just to toss out the opposite (ALBEIT UNLIKELY) possibility here:

Those are BOB's words, no one else's. So what if they do all the player exit interviews, and at the end they give BOB the boot and just bring in a whole new set of guys?

It's possible, and it would make Cal a tougher guy than his dad IMO.

Okay back to reality. We live here now, let's just accept it. BOB is the king of the world.

Texans have to be popping Champagne over on Kirby now that the Astros punishment came out today. That was a quick news cycle.