No way Good Samaritan gets punished

SSRIs? Let's see a picture of of the dead perp. I have an image in mind.

The governor praised the good Samaritan.

jja79 said:

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If I'm understanding you correctly that's insane. If they do anything other than hail him a hero expel the state for the US.

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While I fully agree with you, I think it entirely feasible something will be leveraged against the CCW holder. For the simple fact that if they allow him to walk carte blanche, the effectively neuter ALL CCW regulations in the state as it will tell people everywhere, "Hey, it's ok to carry everywhere no matter the signage because if you have to pull and use and you save the day, you will get off completely free. So go ahead and carry everywhere!". At least that is how some lawmakers will very likely interpret it. Not without some merit, I will freely admit.

I hope he gets nothing of course but I will understand why he would be slapped with something, even if I don't agree with it.

I'd like to know what "common sense gun laws" Oregon is lacking as of today.

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U.S. Sen. Ron Wyden said in a statement that "my heart goes out to the innocent victims of today's horrific shooting at Silver Rail Elementary School and their loved ones now facing the awful consequences of yet another school shooting in America."

Wyden also suggested how leaders should respond: by passing new restrictions on firearms.

"The best way to honor these victims is to at long last pass common-sense gun laws that reduce the risks of more children, parents, teachers and staff forced to live in fear of similar nightmares for their schools," Wyden said.

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Seems Oregon has all their bases covered pretty well here.

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Minimum Age: You must be at least 21 years old to buy a handgun and at least 18 years old to buy a rifle or shotgun.
Background Checks: Universal background checks are required for all firearm transfers, including private sales and transfers (which must go through a licensed dealer). Oregon uses the Oregon State Police Firearms Instant Check System (FICS).
Ballot Measure 114: Voters approved a measure requiring a permit-to-purchase and completion of a safety course. The implementation and status of these permit rules have faced ongoing state court litigation and stays.

Concealed Carry: Carrying a concealed handgun requires a Concealed Handgun License (CHL) issued by your local county sheriff. You must be 21 or older, a U.S. citizen or legal resident, and pass a background and safety competency check. Oregon does not have out-of-state CHL reciprocity.

Open Carry: Openly carrying a firearm is generally legal statewide for individuals 18 and older without a permit, though specific local ordinances or jurisdictions (such as Portland and Multnomah County) restrict loaded open carry. [1, 2, 3]

Prohibited Locations: Firearms are banned in designated areas including the state capitol grounds, court facilities, designated restricted areas of airports like Portland International Airport, and on school grounds (with specific legal exceptions). Universities and colleges have the authority to ban firearms on campus.

Safe Storage: Under state law (Senate Bill 554), gun owners must store firearms in a locked safe, gun room, or secure them with a trigger lock whenever they are not in their immediate control.
Lost or Stolen Reporting: Gun owners must report a lost or stolen firearm to law enforcement within 72 hours of discovering it is missing.
Prohibited Devices: Oregon bans rapid-fire activators (such as bump stocks, binary triggers, and forced reset triggers) under Senate Bill 243. Ghost guns and 3D-printed untraceable firearms are also restricted.
Extreme Risk Protection Orders (ERPOs): Courts can temporarily remove firearms from individuals who pose an acute danger to themselves or others.

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Guessing the firearm doesn't belong to him so already a crime. Once again criminals are criminals when they don't follow laws.

Aren't guns already illegal at the school? Isn't shooting someone against the law? Isn't murder illegal? Seems like the shooter violated at least three laws right there. Was a fourth law going to be the magic bullet?

That's one concept I can never seem to wrap my head around. If someone is intent on mass murdering random innocents, then why do these idiots think that another law is going to stop them? Or more to the point, why do they think that they can convince anybody else that yet another new law will make a difference?

Of course the answer is that they don't really think this. They're just using a tragedy for their long term goals of subjugating the ordinary citizen in whatever totalitarian utopia they've imagined for themselves, so they need to disarm said citizens.

Despicable...

MsDoubleD81 said:

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The governor is a "she".

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Oof. Thought it was a man. Friend (OR resident) is constantly *****ing about "him". Wouldn't put it past him to purposely mislabel her.

Funny how that type doesn't like men so dresses like men.

At least sounds like good guy was outside and legal until he decided to engage with bad guy. May need to give him sanctuary here in Llano county.

Rapier108 said:

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According to the police chief, they will be investigating the person who stopped the shooting.

The school district superintendent had to remind everyone that they have a zero tolerance policy toward anyone who brings a gun onto school property, permit or not.

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It is common sense to investigate the "good Samaritan.". They have to investigate the entire sequence of events. The superintendents needs to shut his mouth.

agent-maroon said:

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That's one concept I can never seem to wrap my head around. If someone is intent on mass murdering random innocents, then why do these idiots think that another law is going to stop them? Or more to the point, why do they think that they can convince anybody else that yet another new law will make a difference?

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And the laws they propose always impact everyone else, but would have no effect on the perp, even if he had decided to follow the law. They never let a crisis go to waste and actually do not care who gets hurt.

Mainstream media using the term "long gun". I guess "shotgun" doesn't sound bad enough?

I've had an CHL/LTC for many years. I am proficient, am a Veteran, and have been a certified safety officer for action pistol and rifle matches. As license holders, we hold ourselves up as law abiding citizens. In good conscience, I won't violate the law, no matter how stupid it is, by carrying passed a 30.06 sign.

Those of us with LTC have been background checked and passed a class on the laws. We are the last people (other than LE) who should be prohibited from carrying concealed in a school. They need to change the law but doubt that will ever happen.

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Mainstream media using the term "long gun". I guess "shotgun" doesn't sound bad enough?

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They used children and students, when, for all intents and political purposes, they could have just used bodies.

I swear, it's like the media covers these things for no other reason than to fuel the fires on both sides of the politcal aisle.

TexasAggie_02 said:

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last time i checked, murder is illegal in all 50 states, so these gun laws only harm honest people.

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Gun free zones disproportionately impact the good guys. The bad guys are fine with carrying because they have already accepted the potential consequences of using it for something even worse. It'll discourage the good guys without discouraging the bad guys. So these could have the opposite of the intended effect.

This is the opposite of things like drunk driving laws. Those are more in line with their intended purpose because nobody gets behind the wheel, intending to plow through someone else.

I get why the idea of a no carry zone might seem like a good idea if you don't think about it closely. It provides a means to prosecute a bad guy if they are caught with a gun before they commit a crime without having to prove intent. I just never hear about it actually working that way.

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cecil77 said:

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Mainstream media using the term "long gun". I guess "shotgun" doesn't sound bad enough?

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They used children and students, when, for all intents and political purposes, they could have just used bodies.

I swear, it's like the media covers these things for no other reason than to fuel the fires on both sides of the politcal aisle.

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The media is a business. They make their money off of subscriptions and ad revenue. For that to work, they need to create compelling stories. "Children" sells better than "bodies".

This is just as true for independent media as it is for legacy media. Maybe even more so since they do not have the benefits of inertia or scale.

Any word yet on the gender (biological and identify-as) of the shooter yet?

taxpreparer said:

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Rapier108 said:

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According to the police chief, they will be investigating the person who stopped the shooting.

The school district superintendent had to remind everyone that they have a zero tolerance policy toward anyone who brings a gun onto school property, permit or not.

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It is common sense to investigate the "good Samaritan.". They have to investigate the entire sequence of events. The superintendents needs to shut his mouth.

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It's part of the complete investigation. The good Samaritan is not going to be prosecuted. Trying to prosecute someone for stopping mass murder is political suicide as stated in an earlier post.

cecil77 said:

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Mainstream media using the term "long gun". I guess "shotgun" doesn't sound bad enough?

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Shotgun conjures images of a mostly harmless bird-hunting gun. Even Tim Waltz has been seen holding a shotgun. Long gun suggests AR/AK type "weapon of war" so that is the preferred description if they can't factually call it an assault weapon.

If you still have family in Harney county, my wife probably knows them.

Christine Drazan (R) the opposition for governor needs to come out immediately calling for a pardon from Kotek and promising she would do the same if elected.

Not trying to just capitalize on a tragedy, but that pressure is probably the best way to get the hero cleared.

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taxpreparer said:

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Rapier108 said:

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According to the police chief, they will be investigating the person who stopped the shooting.

The school district superintendent had to remind everyone that they have a zero tolerance policy toward anyone who brings a gun onto school property, permit or not.

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It is common sense to investigate the "good Samaritan.". They have to investigate the entire sequence of events. The superintendents needs to shut his mouth.

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It's part of the complete investigation. The good Samaritan is not going to be prosecuted. Trying to prosecute someone for stopping mass murder is political suicide as stated in an earlier post.

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Never say never.

In the last couple of decades, the number of political suicide survivors has grown at an alarming rate. A sickness has overcome way too many people.

P.U.T.U said:

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Think it is telling that nothing has come out yet regarding the shooter

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If the shooter is in fact a minor, that is probably one roadblock.

Less Evil Hank Scorpio said:

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P.U.T.U said:

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Think it is telling that nothing has come out yet regarding the shooter

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If the shooter is in fact a minor, that is probably one roadblock.

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Could easily say 16-yo male/female and it has nothing to do with them being a minor…

We've seen this movie before…

FireAg said:

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Less Evil Hank Scorpio said:

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P.U.T.U said:

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Think it is telling that nothing has come out yet regarding the shooter

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If the shooter is in fact a minor, that is probably one roadblock.

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Could easily say 16-yo male/female and it has nothing to do with them being a minor…

We've seen this movie before…

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Shooter identified. No motive or connection to school identified yet.

Oregon school shooter identified as 16-year-old John Griffin II whose mother purchased gun, sources say