I'll just put it this way:

When his jihadi buddies were making recordings of beheading westerners (even though they thought they're justified in doing so, just like in this case), what was appalling about it? Was it just that they were doing it to people like us? Was it just that they were doing it to innocents? Or is there more to it? Wasn't recording the act and disseminating it appalling in itself?

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But broadcasting it to everyone like a social media event? It's dehumanizing. Don't know how else to put it.

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More, or less, so than him murdering all of those people?

I'd say less....way less, but you do you.

Me? I won't be watching as I'll most likely be working, but I have no problem with it being available for anyone to see. We need to stop being such pansies about everything and nut the **** up. The real world is harsh and we're going to get ran over with all the FEELZ so many catch at every little thing. Part and parcel to why we haven't truly won anything since WW2. We no longer have the stomach to do what's needed.

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Why is the bar set at comparing it to what he did, which we all agree is reprehensible? Isn't part of the point that our culture is superior?

And it's not about being soft. We could still execute the dude without doing this. As others have said, the jihadis don't operate like us. They think it's an HONOR (with brownie points, and everything) to die "for the cause." We just had someone try to suicide bomb Israel with a plane. And we want to broadcast to them "this can be you!" What if this emboldens them?

DANManman said:

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BigRobSA said:

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DANManman said:

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But broadcasting it to everyone like a social media event? It's dehumanizing. Don't know how else to put it.

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More, or less, so than him murdering all of those people?

I'd say less....way less, but you do you.

Me? I won't be watching as I'll most likely be working, but I have no problem with it being available for anyone to see. We need to stop being such pansies about everything and nut the **** up. The real world is harsh and we're going to get ran over with all the FEELZ so many catch at every little thing. Part and parcel to why we haven't truly won anything since WW2. We no longer have the stomach to do what's needed.

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Why is the bar set at comparing it to what he did, which we all agree is reprehensible? Isn't part of the point that our culture is superior?

And it's not about being soft. We could still execute the dude without doing this. As others have said, the jihadis don't operate like us. They think it's an HONOR (with brownie points, and everything) to die "for the cause." We just had someone try to suicide bomb Israel with a plane. And we want to broadcast to them "this can be you!" What if this emboldens them?

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Say what you want, but there is a deterrent factor to people witnessing the consequences of their actions. The death penalty used to have a deterring effect before it took decades to carry it out. It's harder to romanticize your martyrdom when you see the reality that you're not going to go out in a blaze of glory.

There's also a large portion of our society that is completely insulated from the true nature of man. Sometimes it's good for you to see the grotesque to put reality in perspective. Also, you can just choose not to watch.

The objections to this seems like the same weak argument that is made when you say attacking terrorists just gives propaganda to create new terrorists, which is a cop out for saying you don't have the stomach to fight the barbarians at their level.

My point isn't that execution "is not a deterrent," like those who are against the death penalty entirely claim. My point is their ideology is way, way different than ours. They've already seen their comrades sacrifice themselves. You don't have to worry about whether they'll use it as propaganda or, not, because they already have plenty of their own material to reference. You don't think the person who straps on a bomb vest doesn't know he'll make a mess of himself?

And I don't want to "fight on their level." They believe in things like raping to subjugate, and using kids as shields. Wipe out the threat, fine. But part of what we believe is that their ideology is backwards. So why would we want to mimic them?

And don't worry, y'all. I've said my piece, unless anyone wants a specific reply.

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There is nothing positive about this and, frankly, anyone excited about watching this is disegusting.

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The most disgusting part is a post like yours that is starred!

This is due justice for the victims of this heinous act!

"Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth!"

Not sure if your question was rhetorical or not, but while this execution will indeed be way more dignified than a live beheading, what I was pointing to is that in both cases the people carrying out the act will have people celebrating the spectacle as they watch. And according to other posters, it's good that he's being "humiliated" (in their terms) this way, so apparently they also believe this will be undignified, in some sense.

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TA-OP said:

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There is nothing positive about this and, frankly, anyone excited about watching this is disegusting.

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The most disgusting part is a post like yours that is starred!

This is due justice for the victims of this heinous act!

"Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth!"

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This planned spectacle is disgusting, abhorrent, and wrong. Anyone who supports live-streaming it is a garbage human being.

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Why are all you liberals against putting this terrorist to death. Is it a talking point or something? HE MURDERED AMERICANS IN COLD BLOOD.

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Your inability to understand the comparison is not my problem.

The dude deserves to be punished.

In public is ridiculous and you know it, troll.

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https://ktla.com/news/politics/ap-politics/ap-pentagon-says-the-firing-squad-execution-of-fort-hood-shooter-nidal-malik-hasan-will-be-livestreamed/

Sorry for the new thread on this topic, but this is pretty wild. Sends a message, for sure.

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The populace has historically demonstrated a fascination with witnessing executions. The Romans, in particular, were inclined to orchestrate such spectacles at meridian (midday) within their amphitheaters.

Naturally, one might presume that contemporary society has evolved considerably beyond such practices.

There are dozens, if not more, executions available for viewing on the internet. I see no reason not to stream it.

I think if someone is against the death penalty, they should be all for public executions,

The way we do it now, it's almost like a quiet medical procedure no one sees. If we're gonna do it. let's do it large. The bright light of day is the best antiseptic - the people should be able to clearly and easily see exactly what we are doing.

With liberals, nothing surprises me - so I'm not surprised that resident libs are aghast at the very notion of executing this vermin in a public fashion.

At the same time, it would be the least surprising thing to see their reaction if the object of all of their life's disdains was the one in the line of fire. We all know they'd be celebrating such an execution and would probably want to anoint that day a federal holiday or something.

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Say what you want, but there is a deterrent factor to people witnessing the consequences of their actions. The death penalty used to have a deterring effect before it took decades to carry it out. It's harder to romanticize your martyrdom when you see the reality that you're not going to go out in a blaze of glory.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Homicide Rate (murders per 100,000)

United States - 5.76
Saudi Arabia - 0.80

Q.E.D.

I would watch it. He works for the devil.

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There is nothing positive about this and, frankly, anyone excited about watching this is disegusting.

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I don't know what disegusting means but I'm gonna put it on the big tv in my living room. The whole neighborhood is invited. And thankfully, I live in Arkansas where the sissy Libs are a huge minority so there will be a big turnout. Man, what should I cook?!

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Lots of pork.

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So the "shooting someone in public" joke wasn't a joke. Yeah yeah, this is a bad guy. Whatever it takes to continue justifying this abhorrent administration.

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shooting "someone"?!


He murdered 13 service members in cold blood!!


You sound like Omar about 9/11: "some people did something..."

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Viper16 said:

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There is nothing positive about this and, frankly, anyone excited about watching this is disegusting.

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The most disgusting part is a post like yours that is starred!

This is due justice for the victims of this heinous act!

"Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth!"

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This planned spectacle is disgusting, abhorrent, and wrong. Anyone who supports live-streaming it is a garbage human being.

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Lefties can keep their mouths shut about it. Not a peep out of the left when Laken Riley was butchered by an illegal that Biden let in. When Trump recognized her mother and sister at the address to Congress, the Dems refused to stand. Now here they are, outraged because showing this terrorist killer's execution is "wrong and disgusting".

Lefties are always on the side of the criminals. Lefties love darkness! I don't give two craps about their perverted view of right and wrong! The left doesn't know what's good and right from their *******!

I'm glad they are doing this we the people need to see the savages that are Muslims. We need people to forget we went to war with Iran for Israel. Muslims are trying to implement sharia law all over the country. You don't like high gas prices? Well we will be executing a terrorist on live stream. You want the Epstein files you want want to know why Maxwell is at a country club in Bryan. You ask questions about Mawells dad? Here you go this is a reminder we do not play with terrorist.

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Leftists weren't this mad when Charlie Kirk was killed and it was broadcast everywhere.

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That's the weird thing about this. They are showing more outrage over people on a friggin message board discussing the idea of watching the execution than they did over Charlie's murder and the original crime committed by Hassan - which our govt at the time refused to label as terrorism and was a slap in the face to the victims families. But this is somehow worth moral shaming people over. It just feels fake.

People don't have to watch it. They can go about their lives. There are far greater tragedies in this country happening every week in our major cities than the govt making an execution of a vile terrorist available to watch.

The outrage feels so fake and contrived. It's just an excuse for them to bash Trump, that's all this is.

Many of the same libs calling this disgusting were privately and in a lot of casing publicly cheering on Charlie Kirk's assassination with plenty of publicly viewing of just how horrible it was. Stream this execution and star link it to all muslim hideouts - make them all frigging watch. I'm aok with it.

It's interesting how clearly this topic delineates the characteristics of liberals vs conservatives.

On the one hand, liberals will act indignant about the public spectacle to signal their virtue as an "evolved" member of society. All the while they vote for a support barbarism (abortion, illegal immigration, trans). As long as it's out of sight, they have no issue with it. It's all an emotional reaction.

On the other hand, conservatives who are typically much more restrictive in the content they consume, are all for the live streaming. They see it as justice and believe that you should bear witness to the true nature of man. It's an opinion based on reason.

Very interesting.

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I see most of the libs are angry the bum is being put to death.

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where do you see anyone expressing angry he is being executed? The mental gymnastics from the right and the straight up lies about those of us raising objections to CELEBRATING.. just whatever. Flame and lie all you want. I'm done with the moral bankruptcy in here.

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Kvetch said:

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Say what you want, but there is a deterrent factor to people witnessing the consequences of their actions. The death penalty used to have a deterring effect before it took decades to carry it out. It's harder to romanticize your martyrdom when you see the reality that you're not going to go out in a blaze of glory.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Homicide Rate (murders per 100,000)

United States - 5.76
Saudi Arabia - 0.80

Q.E.D.

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Beheading works

Oh, and actually carrying out the sentences too. I saw on the news yesterday that Gov Newsom is considering moving the 500+ California murderers on death row off death row due to the failed execution of that woman murderer in Tennessee.

Effective execution methods work. And have. A positive effect on society.

I don't think anyone has mentioned it but, a live stream will set Internet records so, they better have the server/network infrastructure to support it.

there's no modern precedent in the west for something like this. the closest was tim mcveigh's execution in 2001, and even that was only broadcast on closed circuit to 250 people (mostly victims' families).

the closest comparison today is the taliban doing executions in stadiums, but even they ban phones inside. a government run livestream would be more public than anything the taliban allow.

I am not sure who this is even trying to appease or win over. No rational person is a fan of broadcasting an execution for public consumption and it is absolutely abhorrent.

Behavior akin to ISIS.

I celebrate justice being carried out. Those who support Soros DAs and open borders do not.

Shame should become an American value again.

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I am not sure who this is even trying to appease or win over.

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Behavior akin to ISIS.

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This is Justice. It appeases people who stand for justice.

There is no moral equivalence with terrorists killing innocents. This ghoul is a terroist who killed innocents.

If you don't want to watch then don't. Seems pretty simple.

Old McDonald said:

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there's no modern precedent in the west for something like this. the closest was tim mcveigh's execution in 2001, and even that was only broadcast on closed circuit to 250 people (mostly victims' families).

the closest comparison today is the taliban doing executions in stadiums, but even they ban phones inside. a government run livestream would be more public than anything the taliban allow.

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Okay.

Now can you make a case for why novel in a very, very precise sliver of human civilization equates to wrong?

The world has produced over 27,000 horror movies. How many countless live killings have gone viral?

I just would love to see one of you sniffing your vapors jar to giving me a logical explanation why this us somehow "morally reprehensible" within the greater cultural milieu in the west.

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There is nothing positive about this and, frankly, anyone excited about watching this is disegusting.

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This is red meat for maga at best, with the news of this just coincidentally coming out right before the midterms.

I mean, kids on X-Box see worse, as can a toddler with a cell phone.

Now, if it was drawing and quartering, or a slow beheading like cartels post online, then, maybe it would be worth watching, but firing squad? A guy's standing, guys with rifles make "pop" sound and guy falls dead. Boring.

I will say, from a purely political standpoint, this gets Pete maga street cred if he decides to run. It also puts off every moderate that actually decides who becomes president.