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Ran it past ChatGPT and it looks like they didn't have a working IV. She complained of pain at the injection site which screams infiltrated IV access, so the pentobarbital likely never reached her general circulation. The fact that she could even communicate at all is a huge red flag.

Either they have someone who doesn't know how to place a working IV or they're intentionally sabotaging the executions. Or both...

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I was reading that she has thrombocytosis which was in part why she requested to be hung instead of lethal injection. Do you think that condition could have contributed to the botched IV placement?

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Her lawyers were claiming the thrombocytosis diagnosis but the judge who reviewed her prison records noted that there wasn't any history of difficult blood draws nor any repeated attempts to make those draws. I'm skeptical because this is a rare condition without any supporting evidence.

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Now you're getting biblical!

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I would say it's a "revolutionary" idea.

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YouBet said:

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Her attorneys have shared she's in critical condition. Did not deny all female execution crew was used. And also said her request to die by other means than lethal injection was denied.

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I wonder why it was denied.

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My understanding is that TN law required her to choose either the chair or lethal injection. She refused on religious grounds arguing that forcing her to choose violated her Buddhist beliefs against participating in her own execution. So, the state chose. On the grounds of her vein condition, the defense asked for a central line into the jugular or the hanging. TN doesn't allow for hanging and the judge ruled the defense didn't provide enough evidence to support the central line. No, I do not know how requesting either of those didn't also violate her religious beliefs.

Previously in TN "Tony Carruthers (May 2026): State officials called off the execution after medical workers could not place a backup IV line to administer the lethal injection."

My daughter is an RN and she said if this has happened two times in a row, it's either intentional or the staff are incompetent.

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I'm pro death penalty, but no matter where you stand on this subject, this botched execution is absolutely ****ed up…

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Yeah, I mean are they doing some kind of precise dosing based on body weight or something? Shouldn't they inject enough stuff to kill an elephant no matter what?

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I would think so yeah. The goal is to kill the criminal and rather than deal with the drugs not working, or can't find a vein, and all that stuff, a firing squad is a cheaper and more certain method. They could ask for volunteers and likely would get tens of thousands of volunteers.

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Couldn't they crush her head with a rock?

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No, but they can use Nitrogen Hypoxia if the chair or injection is unavailable.

....or because the patient has thrombocytosis like this murderer. She had asked to be hanged. She deserved a slow hanging.

Why are these idiots bellyaching? They failed to kill her once, just try again. What is this whole argument to commute her sentence?

Time wasting. Just finish the damn job.

GIRL POWER!!!

Rocky Rider said:

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Previously in TN "Tony Carruthers (May 2026): State officials called off the execution after medical workers could not place a backup IV line to administer the lethal injection."

My daughter is an RN and she said if this has happened two times in a row, it's either intentional or the staff are incompetent.

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Something to think about.
How often does the Vet have trouble putting down your pet?

This is intentional and the Dr should lose their license and be put behind those same bars.

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FireAg said:

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I'm pro death penalty, but no matter where you stand on this subject, this botched execution is absolutely ****ed up…

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Yeah, I mean are they doing some kind of precise dosing based on body weight or something? Shouldn't they inject enough stuff to kill an elephant no matter what?

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I would think so yeah. The goal is to kill the criminal and rather than deal with the drugs not working, or can't find a vein, and all that stuff, a firing squad is a cheaper and more certain method. They could ask for volunteers and likely would get tens of thousands of volunteers.

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Couldn't they crush her head with a rock?

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No, but they can use Nitrogen Hypoxia if the chair or injection is unavailable.

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I think you missed the point of that question. That's how she killed her victims.

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Why are these idiots bellyaching? They failed to kill her once, just try again. What is this whole argument to commute her sentence?

Time wasting. Just finish the damn job.

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What we are seeing right now was the whole point of what they did here.

Create an "inhumane" scenario and then get her execution stayed because of it. This then "starts a conversation" nationally about ending the death penalty...at least for women.

It's sad when you genuinely don't know if it's DEI female incompetence or activism because the female doctor sympathizes with a cold blooded killer.

I haven't gone back to read the entire thread so I can't say for sure, but doctors and nurses generally don't participate in these executions. It's usually going to be other jail staff who may or may not have a lot of experience starting IV lines and in this case most likely did not have experience assessing the line after it was put in.

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I haven't gone back to read the entire thread so I can't say for sure, but doctors and nurses generally don't participate in these executions. It's usually going to be other jail staff who may or may not have a lot of experience starting IV lines and in this case most likely did not have experience assessing the line after it was put in.

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My understanding is that is correct. This team were not full medical professionals, maybe a PA or two but not doctors and RNs.

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I haven't gone back to read the entire thread so I can't say for sure, but doctors and nurses generally don't participate in these executions. It's usually going to be other jail staff who may or may not have a lot of experience starting IV lines and in this case most likely did not have experience assessing the line after it was put in.

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They would be jeopardizing their careers if their participation was made public. So if medical professionals were involved, it most likely would be ones desperate for the money and most likely highly incompetent.

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I haven't gone back to read the entire thread so I can't say for sure, but doctors and nurses generally don't participate in these executions. It's usually going to be other jail staff who may or may not have a lot of experience starting IV lines and in this case most likely did not have experience assessing the line after it was put in.

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Ok, even then...
If the State is using someone who is unsuitable qualified to perform the task then that is the issue that should be addressed. Root Cause Analysis requires getting to the root of the problem. Addressing symptoms of the problem does not address the underlying cause and as such, when you don't get the roots the problem will resurface.

This is their second botched execution. So are they simply too incompetent? Or do they harbor a desire to screw them up so badly that someone throws in the towel and emotionally decries on behalf of the violent offender that we as humans are incapable of gently killing someone so we shouldn't do it at all.

I don't care who inserts the IV. This accused IS a brutal and vicious killer who has sufficiently shown a disregard for human life. They were judged by a jury of their peers, within the confines of laws established by the State of Tennessee, to be unfit or undeserving of continued life. Therefore the State, in accordance with it's own laws is duty bound to execute that sentence.

To fail to do so, whether through incompetence or ulterior motive, is a failure to uphold the law.

Honestly I don't care if the janitor starts the line if they're qualified to do so. Starting a line is a very very basic skill that is taught at the lowest levels of medical care.

She's in the hospital right now. I guarantee that she has IV access as an inpatient. There's no reason that she couldn't be stabilized and brought back to prison with a working IV or that an indwelling catheter couldn't be placed while she's there for later access. If the problem is IV access then that has either resolved or she needs to be discharged back to her death row prison home.

Like a previous poster said - this is all performance and drama to try to force an end to lethal injection. There is some significant irony in the fact that they may have instead obligated her to living her remaining lifetime with an anoxic brain injury which is a far more "cruel and unusual" punishment than a properly administered lethal injection could ever be.

The anti-death penalty activists just sacrificed Christa Pike. Wonder how they're feeling about that?

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I'm pro death penalty, but no matter where you stand on this subject, this botched execution is absolutely ****ed up…

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Yeah, I mean are they doing some kind of precise dosing based on body weight or something? Shouldn't they inject enough stuff to kill an elephant no matter what?

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I would think so yeah. The goal is to kill the criminal and rather than deal with the drugs not working, or can't find a vein, and all that stuff, a firing squad is a cheaper and more certain method. They could ask for volunteers and likely would get tens of thousands of volunteers.

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The whole system is absurd. People dislike the death penalty so they implement a ******ed way to execute people so when it fails they can call for an end to the death penalty.

Firing squads, gallows, and guillotines are undefeated throughout history. Just shoot her in the ****ing head and be done with it.

The drugs are difficult to obtain and expensive and evidently imperfect. A round of .308 is cheap, plentiful, and highly effective.

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The drugs are actually priced in the same range (wholesale) as ammo. The problem is getting a pharmaceutical distributor to sell them to the prison. They simply refuse to do so.

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So is a room full of nitrogen.

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She's in the hospital right now. I guarantee that she has IV access as an inpatient. There's no reason that she couldn't be stabilized and brought back to prison with a working IV or that an indwelling catheter couldn't be placed while she's there for later access. If the problem is IV access then that has either resolved or she needs to be discharged back to her death row prison home.

Like a previous poster said - this is all performance and drama to try to force an end to lethal injection. There is some significant irony in the fact that they may have instead obligated her to living her remaining lifetime with an anoxic brain injury which is a far more "cruel and unusual" punishment than a properly administered lethal injection could ever be.

The anti-death penalty activists just sacrificed Christa Pike. Wonder how they're feeling about that?

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They probably don't feel much. The anti DP crowd and pro abortion crowd have massive overlap. They care more about killers than those who have been murdered.

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akaggie05 said:

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I'm pro death penalty, but no matter where you stand on this subject, this botched execution is absolutely ****ed up…

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Yeah, I mean are they doing some kind of precise dosing based on body weight or something? Shouldn't they inject enough stuff to kill an elephant no matter what?

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I would think so yeah. The goal is to kill the criminal and rather than deal with the drugs not working, or can't find a vein, and all that stuff, a firing squad is a cheaper and more certain method. They could ask for volunteers and likely would get tens of thousands of volunteers.

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The whole system is absurd. People dislike the death penalty so they implement a ******ed way to execute people so when it fails they can call for an end to the death penalty.

Firing squads, gallows, and guillotines are undefeated throughout history. Just shoot her in the ****ing head and be done with it.

The drugs are difficult to obtain and expensive and evidently imperfect. A round of .308 is cheap, plentiful, and highly effective.

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Japan uses a long-drop hanging. They also don't tell anyone about the execution until after it was completed.

Under Tennessee's execution protocol, a physician is responsible for establishing a central line for the drug through the neck, chest, arm or groin, so it reaches a large vein near the heart.

The death-row physician overseeing Pike's execution was also involved in the failed execution of Tony Carruthers, a convicted murderer, earlier this year, according to The Times.

Dr Mark Fowler, 69, has not been formally accused of any wrongdoing and defended himself by saying: "Every attempt was made to minimize the defendant's discomfort in the case at hand."

Seven needles but still doctors couldn't execute woman on death row

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I haven't gone back to read the entire thread so I can't say for sure, but doctors and nurses generally don't participate in these executions. It's usually going to be other jail staff who may or may not have a lot of experience starting IV lines and in this case most likely did not have experience assessing the line after it was put in.

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They would be jeopardizing their careers if their participation was made public. So if medical professionals were involved, it most likely would be ones desperate for the money and most likely highly incompetent.

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Find "doctors" who do abortions or euthanasia and draft them into doing it. Refusal means 20 years in prison. If you're going to violate the Hippocrativ Oath, yoi don't get to be a hypocrite about it.

Just shoot her in the face and dump her body in the dumpster behind the hospital. Problem solved.

That's weird. Her symptoms are inconsistent with a central line and consistent with a bad peripheral IV.

Central lines are usually inserted in a deep vein using ultrasound for placement verification. A long tube goes much deeper into the larger central veinous system. One of the purposes of a central line is avoid the issues associated with irritant medications infusing into small peripheral veins.

You can put a central line in the internal jugular, subclavian, femoral vein, deep veins in the upper arm, etc. Her having tiny veins or difficult peripheral access should have been completely irrelevant.

If that is the policy, it seems like this doctor didn't follow it.

It also makes me wonder how often this doctor inserts IV lines or central lines. If he's the primary care type guy in the prison he may not do very many. It's like when I was having meningitis symptoms as a teenager and my primary doctor insisted on doing the spinal tap in the ER (he had hospital privileges) instead of the ER doc (or nowadays interventional radiology).

So they rushed her to the hospital and now she's on a ventilator, not receiving sedation, and cannot breathe for herself. Good thing we rushed her to the hospital so we could keep her from dying.

JFC we are a stupid species.

BadMoonRisin said:

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Just shoot her in the face and dump her body in the dumpster behind the hospital. Problem solved.

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Guillotine worked every time.

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BadMoonRisin said:

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Just shoot her in the face and dump her body in the dumpster behind the hospital. Problem solved.

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Guillotine worked every time.

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Well not exactly. King Louis XVI was so fat that they had to raise the blade and give it a second drop.