BrazosDog02 said:

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Hardcore Greg said:

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Aston 91 said:

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I agree the best person should be hired. But I'm guessing I'll never convince you that the good ole boy network doesn't always (or even usually) hire the best person, just like you'll never convince me that it does.

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I am a white male, where the F is this "good ol boy network"?

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A lot of folks confuse 'good ol boy network' for standard networking. When I got my first real job in oil and gas, I met a lot of great folks in industry. When I was laid off, I just reached out to all I could. Eventually, I landed a job for no other reason than than the guy knew me. I walked into work Monday past a stack of 28 resumes from people with better credentials. I'm a huge fan of nepotism and good ol' boy networking. It's what makes the world go round.

Successful people and rich people are not rich and successful because they are lucky or 'amazing' at their job. They are successful and rich because they know the right people to the help grease the gears a bit.

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So unlike the majority of posters on this thread, you're not an advocate of hiring the best person for the job. At least you own up to it, but I'll never agree with that philosophy.

infinity ag said:

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jeremy said:

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infinity ag said:

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jeremy said:

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Men need to grow the f up.

Put down the video games, porn, and betting. Go work for a change.

As Gunny Highway said, "You ladies look like models. In fact, I want your hair high and tight tomorrow morning. That's everybody. When you start looking like Marines, you'll start feeling like Marines. And pretty soon, ******* it, you'll start acting like Marines."


Same goes for men. Stop acting like women and children.

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And on cue....

White knights always step up to the plate.

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Here comes infinity, hoping that someone will validate his victim-hood.

Im not white knighting anything. Ive worked my whole life, been around mostly good people and taught hundreds of high school students that I try to keep up with many of.

My anecdotal evidence is kids who are "victims", get coddled, play too many video games, are afraid of getting dirty, turn in to young men who cant find a woman, are living with their parents, and dont try because they think the world is out to get them.

The young men who quit complaining and do what ever other generation of men had to do (work hard, show some guts, and not be scared of work) are killing it. You tell me what the common denominator is.

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If that is your point, you are completely off topic.
Why don't you create a new thread on how worthless men are? We will all comment there.

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I don't see how off topic it is. It's my anecdotal evidence that men aren't in the workforce. One of the problems why they arent in the workforce is because they are being treated like children by mom and dad and allowed to live at home, addicted to video games, porn, and leisure.

I'm sorry I couldn't validate how much harder the world is now to make you feel better. Many great men I know are killing it with good old fashioned virtues.

But hey, this will make you feel better: CEOS SUCK!

deddog said:

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Aston 91 said:

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I agree the best person should be hired. But I'm guessing I'll never convince you that the good ole boy network doesn't always (or even usually) hire the best person, just like you'll never convince me that it does.

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And to combat this, HR is pretty much not allowing any white males to be hired. At any level.

My small team had 3 dudes and a 1 girl. All hired because they were freaking competent. My boss was a woman. Our lead architect (across teams) was a woman.

HR told me that we don't have enough women, and so i was only sent female resumes.

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If you cross reference the rise of HR with the fall of men in the work place, you might find some staggering correlation.

HR is a broken cog on the wheel of company growth.

Aston 91 said:

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BrazosDog02 said:

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Hardcore Greg said:

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Aston 91 said:

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I agree the best person should be hired. But I'm guessing I'll never convince you that the good ole boy network doesn't always (or even usually) hire the best person, just like you'll never convince me that it does.

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I am a white male, where the F is this "good ol boy network"?

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A lot of folks confuse 'good ol boy network' for standard networking. When I got my first real job in oil and gas, I met a lot of great folks in industry. When I was laid off, I just reached out to all I could. Eventually, I landed a job for no other reason than than the guy knew me. I walked into work Monday past a stack of 28 resumes from people with better credentials. I'm a huge fan of nepotism and good ol' boy networking. It's what makes the world go round.

Successful people and rich people are not rich and successful because they are lucky or 'amazing' at their job. They are successful and rich because they know the right people to the help grease the gears a bit.

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So unlike the majority of posters on this thread, you're not an advocate of hiring the best person for the job. At least you own up to it, but I'll never agree with that philosophy.

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Do you really think the best person for the job is routinely hired in corporate America? LMAO

jeremy said:

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infinity ag said:

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jeremy said:

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infinity ag said:

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jeremy said:

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Men need to grow the f up.

Put down the video games, porn, and betting. Go work for a change.

As Gunny Highway said, "You ladies look like models. In fact, I want your hair high and tight tomorrow morning. That's everybody. When you start looking like Marines, you'll start feeling like Marines. And pretty soon, ******* it, you'll start acting like Marines."


Same goes for men. Stop acting like women and children.

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And on cue....

White knights always step up to the plate.

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Here comes infinity, hoping that someone will validate his victim-hood.

Im not white knighting anything. Ive worked my whole life, been around mostly good people and taught hundreds of high school students that I try to keep up with many of.

My anecdotal evidence is kids who are "victims", get coddled, play too many video games, are afraid of getting dirty, turn in to young men who cant find a woman, are living with their parents, and dont try because they think the world is out to get them.

The young men who quit complaining and do what ever other generation of men had to do (work hard, show some guts, and not be scared of work) are killing it. You tell me what the common denominator is.

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If that is your point, you are completely off topic.
Why don't you create a new thread on how worthless men are? We will all comment there.

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I don't see how off topic it is. It's my anecdotal evidence that men aren't in the workforce. One of the problems why they arent in the workforce is because they are being treated like children by mom and dad and allowed to live at home, addicted to video games, porn, and leisure.

I'm sorry I couldn't validate how much harder the world is now to make you feel better. Many great men I know are killing it with good old fashioned virtues.

But hey, this will make you feel better: CEOS SUCK!

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jUsT wOrk HaRdER

JUsT ***** and moAn and play the ViCTImM.....that makes it better

deddog said:

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Aston 91 said:

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I agree the best person should be hired. But I'm guessing I'll never convince you that the good ole boy network doesn't always (or even usually) hire the best person, just like you'll never convince me that it does.

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And to combat this, HR is pretty much not allowing any white males to be hired. At any level.

My small team had 3 dudes and a 1 girl. All hired because they were freaking competent. My boss was a woman. Our lead architect (across teams) was a woman.

HR told me that we don't have enough women, and so i was only sent female resumes.

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I know a VP in Big Tech who was flat out told he was not allowed to hire men anymore. This was during #metoo. All of his backfills were required to be women. In addition, they were told that for any vendor sponsored events (eg golf tourneys) they were required to reach way down the hierarchy (if they had to) and bring female co-workers even if that trumped male senior leaders.

No idea if that is still ongoing but I've watched a slew of men that I worked with there directly or indirectly leave the company in the subsequent years.

My old leadership team at my former corporate gig went from 100% male to 66% female. It's not remotely the same group anymore. Now heavily female and foreign. Sad.

Jeremy is on a roll here. Defended women, dissed men.. hated on GenZs.... I am sure he won't attack Boomers as he may be one himself.

Such types are entertaining in these dreary political threads.

jeremy said:

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Men need to grow the f up.

Put down the video games, porn, and betting. Go work for a change.

As Gunny Highway said, "You ladies look like models. In fact, I want your hair high and tight tomorrow morning. That's everybody. When you start looking like Marines, you'll start feeling like Marines. And pretty soon, ******* it, you'll start acting like Marines."


Same goes for men. Stop acting like women and children.

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What incentive do they have to do so?

HaroldShipmanAg said:

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Aston 91 said:

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BrazosDog02 said:

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Hardcore Greg said:

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Aston 91 said:

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I agree the best person should be hired. But I'm guessing I'll never convince you that the good ole boy network doesn't always (or even usually) hire the best person, just like you'll never convince me that it does.

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I am a white male, where the F is this "good ol boy network"?

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A lot of folks confuse 'good ol boy network' for standard networking. When I got my first real job in oil and gas, I met a lot of great folks in industry. When I was laid off, I just reached out to all I could. Eventually, I landed a job for no other reason than than the guy knew me. I walked into work Monday past a stack of 28 resumes from people with better credentials. I'm a huge fan of nepotism and good ol' boy networking. It's what makes the world go round.

Successful people and rich people are not rich and successful because they are lucky or 'amazing' at their job. They are successful and rich because they know the right people to the help grease the gears a bit.

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So unlike the majority of posters on this thread, you're not an advocate of hiring the best person for the job. At least you own up to it, but I'll never agree with that philosophy.

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Do you really think the best person for the job is routinely hired in corporate America? LMAO

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Laugh your ass off all you want, but I don't think the best person for the job is routinely hired in corporate America and I never claimed that is the case. I am an advocate of hiring the best person for the job, however.

deddog said:

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infinity ag said:

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zoneag said:

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HowdyTexasAggies said:

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Aston 91 said:

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I agree the best person should be hired. But I'm guessing I'll never convince you that the good ole boy network doesn't always (or even usually) hire the best person, just like you'll never convince me that it does.

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The good ole boy network has now been replaced by overt racism against white males. Additionally foreign cultures, that don't give a crap about our so called ethics, only hire and promote their own "people", see Indians, open racism with them.

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Yep. White men need to start taking their own side again. Every other group is doing it and will continue to do it.

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The Achilles heel of white males (in my opinion) is a fear of being labeled a racist.
So overcompensating is rampant.

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No.
The is the Achilles heel of white democrats.
Fortunately, an increasing number of males (white or otherwise) have had enough of this bull*****

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Well. This feeling is rampant all across America and Dems are only 50%. So I am sure even white Republican men are terrified by and large.

Things seem to be improving though.

BusterAg said:

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jeremy said:

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Men need to grow the f up.

Put down the video games, porn, and betting. Go work for a change.

As Gunny Highway said, "You ladies look like models. In fact, I want your hair high and tight tomorrow morning. That's everybody. When you start looking like Marines, you'll start feeling like Marines. And pretty soon, ******* it, you'll start acting like Marines."


Same goes for men. Stop acting like women and children.

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What incentive do they have to do so?

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Valid point.

All incentives have been taken away and the white knights don't want to talk about that. But they continue to trash men at every chance they get for brownie points from the virtual ladies.

Aston 91 said:

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I agree the best person should be hired. But I'm guessing I'll never convince you that the good ole boy network doesn't always (or even usually) hire the best person, just like you'll never convince me that it does.

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Generally, the good ol boy network is the best way to hire the least risky candidate. And risk is usually the #1 concern over talent.

A terrible hire is much more damaging than a very good hire is helpful.

infinity ag said:

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deddog said:

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infinity ag said:

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zoneag said:

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HowdyTexasAggies said:

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Aston 91 said:

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I agree the best person should be hired. But I'm guessing I'll never convince you that the good ole boy network doesn't always (or even usually) hire the best person, just like you'll never convince me that it does.

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The good ole boy network has now been replaced by overt racism against white males. Additionally foreign cultures, that don't give a crap about our so called ethics, only hire and promote their own "people", see Indians, open racism with them.

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Yep. White men need to start taking their own side again. Every other group is doing it and will continue to do it.

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The Achilles heel of white males (in my opinion) is a fear of being labeled a racist.
So overcompensating is rampant.

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No.
The is the Achilles heel of white democrats.
Fortunately, an increasing number of males (white or otherwise) have had enough of this bull*****

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Well. This feeling is rampant all across America and Dems are only 50%. So I am sure even white Republican men are terrified by and large.

Things seem to be improving though.

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Yeah, I mean it could ruin your life or career if you are even perceived as "racist".

I worked at a huge company a while back. Sales. The company had a new initiative: to promote women to middle management after decades of hiring men. Not only promote women, they had to be good looking. I was the top salesperson in the state, not even offered or asked to interview for leadership despite years of actual leadership & management experience. My division lead was women, sharp as a tack very very smart and we actually had the 3 top salesperson people in the state. She was not promoted and neither were the two other top salesperson people who were women but not exactly great looking.

The promotion went to the team lead for the worst division in Texas, smoking hot. Then the other opening went to another smoke show with zero leadership experience, none, not even a division leader. The company then asked me to help lead the team with these women and manage them… for free.

Corporate America is a mess now with the influx of foreigners on top of DEI and #metoo hires.

VP at Pierce and Pierce said:

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I worked at a huge company a while back. Sales. The company had a new initiative: to promote women to middle management after decades of hiring men. Not only promote women, they had to be good looking. I was the top salesperson in the state, not even offered or asked to interview for leadership despite years of actual leadership & management experience. My division lead was women, sharp as a tack very very smart and we actually had the 3 top salesperson people in the state. She was not promoted and neither were the two other top salesperson people who were women but not exactly great looking.

The promotion went to the team lead for the worst division in Texas, smoking hot. Then the other opening went to another smoke show with zero leadership experience, none, not even a division leader. The company then asked me to help lead the team with these women and manage them… for free.

Corporate America is a mess now with the influx of foreigners on top of DEI and #metoo hires.

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It sounds like you work in pharma.

No but just a big and just as dirty.

BusterAg said:

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jeremy said:

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Men need to grow the f up.

Put down the video games, porn, and betting. Go work for a change.

As Gunny Highway said, "You ladies look like models. In fact, I want your hair high and tight tomorrow morning. That's everybody. When you start looking like Marines, you'll start feeling like Marines. And pretty soon, ******* it, you'll start acting like Marines."


Same goes for men. Stop acting like women and children.

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What incentive do they have to do so?

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Satisfaction, self-worth, a little change in their pocket, desirability from the fairer sex, life choices, growth, challenges, not having to obey their mommy and daddy, testosterone. Just to name a few.

"Women are smarter than men"

Nope.

infinity ag said:

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Jeremy is on a roll here. Defended women, dissed men.. hated on GenZs.... I am sure he won't attack Boomers as he may be one himself.

Such types are entertaining in these dreary political threads.

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I never defended women, I attacked weak "men". I only hate on the weak of gen z who still live with their parents.


Not a boomer, nice try. That doesn't fit your narrative either.


So what is the answer in your opinion? Complain and moan? I'm trying to explain the problem and let you know it is possible to be productive even as a man.

I've already told you, I know numerous young men (some 10 to 20 years out of college and some just graduated that are killing it). What do they have going for them? Hard work and not the victim mentality.


What is your answer to fix the issue of men not being in the work force?



Spend your day on a web forum?



Before you asked, I've worked multiple jobs most of my life and could retire at any time. I'm in my 40s and came from nothing. My parents made about 40K per year together and gave me less than $2000 total my entire college career. Built my own home, I own my own business and only work 1 other side hustle so I have time to argue with people like you that don't want to hear the answer. You just want to complain that the world is broken.

Funky Winkerbean said:

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"Women are smarter than men"

Nope.

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As a former teacher, I always hated that phrase. The school system is set up for girls, not boys. Girls behave and can sit still. Does that make them smarter? Nope. Some of my smartest students couldn't sit still to save their life and hated school.

jeremy said:

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infinity ag said:

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Jeremy is on a roll here. Defended women, dissed men.. hated on GenZs.... I am sure he won't attack Boomers as he may be one himself.

Such types are entertaining in these dreary political threads.

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I never defended women, I attacked weak "men". I only hate on the weak of gen z who still live with their parents.


Not a boomer, nice try. That doesn't fit your narrative either.


So what is the answer in your opinion? Complain and moan? I'm trying to explain the problem and let you know it is possible to be productive even as a man.

I've already told you, I know numerous young men (some 10 to 20 years out of college and some just graduated that are killing it). What do they have going for them? Hard work and not the victim mentality.


What is your answer to fix the issue of men not being in the work force?



Spend your day on a web forum?



Before you asked, I've worked multiple jobs most of my life and could retire at any time. I'm in my 40s and came from nothing. My parents made about 40K per year together and gave me less than $2000 total my entire college career. Built my own home, I own my own business and only work 1 other side hustle so I have time to argue with people like you that don't want to hear the answer. You just want to complain that the world is broken.

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OK. No offense meant from my side, just some friendly Aggie jousting for fun.

About your question, why don't you open a new thread on that topic and with your case and I promise to comment on that. I don't think I've seen too many threads addressing that issue. It is more involved than just "boys playing video games all day".

jeremy said:

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Funky Winkerbean said:

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"Women are smarter than men"

Nope.

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As a former teacher, I always hated that phrase. The school system is set up for girls, not boys. Girls behave and can sit still. Does that make them smarter? Nope. Some of my smartest students couldn't sit still to save their life and hated school.

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100%

See? We agree on so much already.

jeremy said:

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BusterAg said:

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jeremy said:

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Men need to grow the f up.

Put down the video games, porn, and betting. Go work for a change.

As Gunny Highway said, "You ladies look like models. In fact, I want your hair high and tight tomorrow morning. That's everybody. When you start looking like Marines, you'll start feeling like Marines. And pretty soon, ******* it, you'll start acting like Marines."


Same goes for men. Stop acting like women and children.

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What incentive do they have to do so?

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Satisfaction, self-worth, a little change in their pocket, desirability from the fairer sex, life choices, growth, challenges, not having to obey their mommy and daddy, testosterone. Just to name a few.

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You and I agree on this but the difference (I think) is you are claiming something like 95% men are wastrels while I am saying maybe 20% of men are bumblef&ccs. The problem exists, not as much as you are claiming (from what I can tell).

VP at Pierce and Pierce said:

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I worked at a huge company a while back. Sales. The company had a new initiative: to promote women to middle management after decades of hiring men. Not only promote women, they had to be good looking. I was the top salesperson in the state, not even offered or asked to interview for leadership despite years of actual leadership & management experience. My division lead was women, sharp as a tack very very smart and we actually had the 3 top salesperson people in the state. She was not promoted and neither were the two other top salesperson people who were women but not exactly great looking.

The promotion went to the team lead for the worst division in Texas, smoking hot. Then the other opening went to another smoke show with zero leadership experience, none, not even a division leader. The company then asked me to help lead the team with these women and manage them… for free.

Corporate America is a mess now with the influx of foreigners on top of DEI and #metoo hires.

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We have rules here sir, and you skipped the #1 rule in the book.

Hardcore Greg said:

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infinity ag said:

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deddog said:

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infinity ag said:

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zoneag said:

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HowdyTexasAggies said:

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Aston 91 said:

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I agree the best person should be hired. But I'm guessing I'll never convince you that the good ole boy network doesn't always (or even usually) hire the best person, just like you'll never convince me that it does.

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The good ole boy network has now been replaced by overt racism against white males. Additionally foreign cultures, that don't give a crap about our so called ethics, only hire and promote their own "people", see Indians, open racism with them.

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Yep. White men need to start taking their own side again. Every other group is doing it and will continue to do it.

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The Achilles heel of white males (in my opinion) is a fear of being labeled a racist.
So overcompensating is rampant.

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No.
The is the Achilles heel of white democrats.
Fortunately, an increasing number of males (white or otherwise) have had enough of this bull*****

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Well. This feeling is rampant all across America and Dems are only 50%. So I am sure even white Republican men are terrified by and large.

Things seem to be improving though.

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Yeah, I mean it could ruin your life or career if you are even perceived as "racist".

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Right.
So we have the issue right there. Social media makes it worse. What is the solution?

It can ruin your career, absolutely. I never post my controversial (but true) views on CEOs, corps, women etc on Linkedin. I will get canceled and not be able to find another job (if I wanted to work). Our Staff here are gracious to allow us share our views in a respectful way.

VP at Pierce and Pierce said:

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I worked at a huge company a while back. Sales. The company had a new initiative: to promote women to middle management after decades of hiring men. Not only promote women, they had to be good looking. I was the top salesperson in the state, not even offered or asked to interview for leadership despite years of actual leadership & management experience. My division lead was women, sharp as a tack very very smart and we actually had the 3 top salesperson people in the state. She was not promoted and neither were the two other top salesperson people who were women but not exactly great looking.

The promotion went to the team lead for the worst division in Texas, smoking hot. Then the other opening went to another smoke show with zero leadership experience, none, not even a division leader. The company then asked me to help lead the team with these women and manage them… for free.

Corporate America is a mess now with the influx of foreigners on top of DEI and #metoo hires.

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Women also can pull out their "sex sells" card when they want to.
11 years ago, I had a female boss. She was Turkish, slim but not actually pretty. She had a white guy peer who would be smelling her hair in public, some weird stuff.

Then we got acquired. Some new roles opened up. This chick came to the interview in a short short skirt, tight top showing some cleavage, all dolled up and dressed to impress the old white men from the acquiring company, some of whom were British. Not sure what happened but the crazy b soon left to another company.

Aston 91 said:

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HaroldShipmanAg said:

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Aston 91 said:

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BrazosDog02 said:

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Hardcore Greg said:

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Aston 91 said:

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I agree the best person should be hired. But I'm guessing I'll never convince you that the good ole boy network doesn't always (or even usually) hire the best person, just like you'll never convince me that it does.

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I am a white male, where the F is this "good ol boy network"?

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A lot of folks confuse 'good ol boy network' for standard networking. When I got my first real job in oil and gas, I met a lot of great folks in industry. When I was laid off, I just reached out to all I could. Eventually, I landed a job for no other reason than than the guy knew me. I walked into work Monday past a stack of 28 resumes from people with better credentials. I'm a huge fan of nepotism and good ol' boy networking. It's what makes the world go round.

Successful people and rich people are not rich and successful because they are lucky or 'amazing' at their job. They are successful and rich because they know the right people to the help grease the gears a bit.

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So unlike the majority of posters on this thread, you're not an advocate of hiring the best person for the job. At least you own up to it, but I'll never agree with that philosophy.

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Do you really think the best person for the job is routinely hired in corporate America? LMAO

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Laugh your ass off all you want, but I don't think the best person for the job is routinely hired in corporate America and I never claimed that is the case. I am an advocate of hiring the best person for the job, however.

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advocate away that's not reality.

Lies.

This girl does not look Turkish.

Aston 91 said:

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BrazosDog02 said:

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Hardcore Greg said:

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Aston 91 said:

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I agree the best person should be hired. But I'm guessing I'll never convince you that the good ole boy network doesn't always (or even usually) hire the best person, just like you'll never convince me that it does.

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I am a white male, where the F is this "good ol boy network"?

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A lot of folks confuse 'good ol boy network' for standard networking. When I got my first real job in oil and gas, I met a lot of great folks in industry. When I was laid off, I just reached out to all I could. Eventually, I landed a job for no other reason than than the guy knew me. I walked into work Monday past a stack of 28 resumes from people with better credentials. I'm a huge fan of nepotism and good ol' boy networking. It's what makes the world go round.

Successful people and rich people are not rich and successful because they are lucky or 'amazing' at their job. They are successful and rich because they know the right people to the help grease the gears a bit.

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So unlike the majority of posters on this thread, you're not an advocate of hiring the best person for the job. At least you own up to it, but I'll never agree with that philosophy.

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I appreciate your point, and it's a noble idea but it's simply not reality.

You will find that we, as humans, base every decision we ever make during our entire time on this planet on emotion. It is never based on raw facts. It's just how we are wired. Myself, and millions of others have made a living exploiting this in sales. Likewise, when you are hired, it's rarely about your ability to be the 'best person for the job'. It's about the company or hiring manager feeling good about hiring you. It's just a reality of life. That is why we say "It's not what you know, it's who you know". If you own a widget factory and you need a widget engineer, the best person for that job is probably some Chinese guy with 3 degrees in engineering, math and physics. But he is not who is going to get hired. You are going to solicit resumes and you are going to get 100 of them. What is the first thing you are going to look at? It's probably going to be where they got their degree from, you'll probably prioritize Ags, and then you'll probably subconsciously prioritize people who look like you. If by some chance you manage to ignore all of that, then you will select a Chinese guy because of his degrees and realize he is completely untested and realize he has a lot of risk. Then you may come across John Smith that you talked to for an hour at a trade show and Jimmy, your office buddy said he was a great guy and a real stand up employee....and you'll just hire him. You'll check out his degree, his school, and justify that emotional decision with a fact validation the like "Man, he has an engineering degree from A&M and he's from a small town where I grew up and all those guys were hard workers and everyone was good people"....

I appreciate your fervor for hiring the best, but the best doesn't get hired. The easiest low risk good enough option gets hired...aka "The Good Ol' Boy Network". And John Smith will lose the job to Jennifer who is 18 and has big tatas and tight dress...again..emotional.

Nowhere did I say that the best person for the job is based on number of degrees or strictly academic criteria. But unlike many on this thread, I'm not willing to exclude half the population as candidates just because they happen to be women.

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Men are already doing those jobs. What do you think welders will earn if there are suddenly twice as many welders?

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Whoops. Apparently, economics doesn't compute to a manly electrician

doubledog said:

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Have you ever had a female boss. If so you would understand the white male exodus.

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That also includes women. My sister has worked under both and she has always preferred a male boss.

They bring no drama.

Your emotional diatribe failed to sell me on your argument.

And the Chinese guy would make you 10,000 vigets before you discover it and have to fire him for someone with the common sense not to make vigets in a widget factory, and someone not too scared to ask questions when he misunderstood you and your directions didnt make sense.

Aston 91 said:

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So the general consensus on F16 is that having women in the workforce is overall a net negative, and that society would be better off if they stayed home and raised the kids? Just wanting to make sure I'm reading the room correctly based on this thread.

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Yes. I have had this discussion with my wife. Having women in the workplace can both be beneficial to (some) women and still be negative for society overall.