Trump beef relief on the way! Importing extra foreign beef for 90 days w/o tariffs

13,246 Views | 222 Replies | Last: 3 days ago by AGHouston11
HTownAg98
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Deepin theHart80 said:

Yes prices are good , although down at least a dime a pound the past couple of weeks. But feed, excluding hay this year, fuel, drugs infrastructure maintenance, has absolutely gone through the roof as well. It is not as if cattle ranchers are rolling in dough.

Last year, my dad had about 60 head of freshly weaned calves he was managing. Even in south Texas, he had some decent grass (because he knows what he's doing and doesn't overgraze the pastures). With supplemental feeding and grass, he was able to keep them another 60 days, shipped them on November 1, and net $2 per day per head free and clear. But this goes back to the fact that grass is the cheapest pounds of gain there is.
Deepin theHart80
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Central TX. Lots of early hay. I was surprised it was less than last years prices with the cost of fuel. But not complaining. About the only thing good this year!
Deepin theHart80
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
I hope he has the same outcome this year.
Logos Stick
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Biden

HTownAg98
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Or…drought.
HTownAg98
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Deepin theHart80 said:

I hope he has the same outcome this year.

As long as the market doesn't tank because of government meddling, it should work out. They weaned calves this week.
BigRobSA
How long do you want to ignore this user?
HTownAg98 said:

Deepin theHart80 said:

I hope he has the same outcome this year.

As long as the market doesn't tank because of government meddling, it should work out. They weaned calves this week.

Your family member is a weaner!
Aggie1205
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Its been said many times on this board/and Trump that tariffs are paid by the country shipping out the goods, not by consumers. If that is true, then why would we ever cut tariffs if they provide money for our government and don't have any effect on consumer pricing?

Also if this is the greatest economy in history, then why are we concerned about the price of beef?
91AggieLawyer
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
HTownAg98
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Aggie1205 said:

Its been said many times on this board/and Trump that tariffs are paid by the country shipping out the goods, not by consumers. If that is true, then why would we ever cut tariffs if they provide money for our government and don't have any effect on consumer pricing?

Also if this is the greatest economy in history, then why are we concerned about the price of beef?

Most have figured out this is a load of bull-butter, except for the true believers.
Mas89
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
I wonder if the imported ground beef will be labeled as imported and not from US herds on all packaging.
Kansas Kid
How long do you want to ignore this user?
jt16 said:

This is Trump flat out admitting his tariffs are inflationary

But I have been assured repeatedly on F16 by certain posters and by the administration itself that tariffs are paid by foreign countries and aren't paid by the end consumer here in the states. Are you telling me tariffs are largely passed on to consumers and therefore tariffs are really a tax on US citizens?!?!?!

It must only be ground beef where this phenomenon happens. /s
Old McDonald
How long do you want to ignore this user?
"i never thought the leopards would eat MY face!"


Deputy Travis Junior
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Logos Stick said:

Biden




Okay, so in this post, trump wrote "As everyone knows, under President Biden, beef prices soared at their fastest rate and the American beef herd fell to its smallest size in modern history."

If the herd was so small (ie beef supply was catastrophically low), why did Trump impose tariffs on beef to begin with? This isn't complicated - If you have a supply issue, you don't implement policies that shrink it even further!

The cherry on top is he realizes he ****ed up bigly, so he's now arm twisted foreigners into dumping beef in our markets. Think about how ludicrous this is. Nations sue other nations in international trade court when they dump goods. But now trump is begging them to do so at the expense of the domestic producers that he implemented the tariffs to protect, all for a quick electoral gain (he hopes, anyway).

I'm trying to analyze this from all sides, but no matter how I frame this series of actions, it's incoherent stupidity. When big rob rants on here about fiscal idiocy always bringing ruin, this is what he means. American beef, American beef consumers, and the republican party all would have been far better off if Trump had never mucked around in the markets.
HTownAg98
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Deputy Travis Junior said:

Logos Stick said:

Biden




Okay, so in this post, trump wrote "As everyone knows, under President Biden, beef prices soared at their fastest rate and the American beef herd fell to its smallest size in modern history."

If the herd was so small (ie beef supply was catastrophically low), why did Trump implement tariffs on beg to begin with? This isn't complicated - If you have a supply issue, you don't implement policies that shrink it even further!

The cherry on top is he realizes he ****ed up bigly, so he's now arm twisted foreigners into dumping beef in our markets. Think about how ludicrous this is. Nations sue other nations in international trade court when they dump goods. But now trump is begging them to do so at the expense of the domestic producers that he implemented the tariffs to protect, all for a quick electoral gain (he hopes, anyway).

I'm trying to analyze this from all sides, but no matter how I frame this series of actions, it's incoherent stupidity. When big rob rants on here about fiscal idiocy always bringing ruin, this is what he means. American beef, American beef consumers, and the republican party all would have been far better off if Trump had never mucked around in the markets.

Logos Stick
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Deputy Travis Junior said:

Logos Stick said:

Biden




Okay, so in this post, trump wrote "As everyone knows, under President Biden, beef prices soared at their fastest rate and the American beef herd fell to its smallest size in modern history."

If the herd was so small (ie beef supply was catastrophically low), why did Trump implement tariffs on beg to begin with? This isn't complicated - If you have a supply issue, you don't implement policies that shrink it even further!

The cherry on top is he realizes he ****ed up bigly, so he's now arm twisted foreigners into dumping beef in our markets. Think about how ludicrous this is. Nations sue other nations in international trade court when they dump goods. But now trump is begging them to do so at the expense of the domestic producers that he implemented the tariffs to protect, all for a quick electoral gain (he hopes, anyway).

I'm trying to analyze this from all sides, but no matter how I frame this series of actions, it's incoherent stupidity. When big rob rants on here about fiscal idiocy always bringing ruin, this is what he means. American beef, American beef consumers, and the republican party all would have been far better off if Trump had never mucked around in the markets.



Yeah, that take is trying way too hard to turn a pretty basic supply problem into political theater.

The herd didn't shrink because of tariffs. It had already been shrinking for years because of drought, high costs, and the cattle cycle. By the end of Biden's term, cattle numbers were at lows we hadn't seen in decades. That's why prices exploded. Fewer cattle, higher prices. Not a mystery.

Tariffs on imported beef didn't kill American cows, either. They helped keep cheap foreign beef from undercutting the prices ranchers need to justify rebuilding the herd. If ranchers don't make enough money to hold back heifers, the herd doesn't rebuild. Pretty simple.

What Trump is doing now is a 90-day, capped increase in imports, mostly lean beef used for hamburger.
Calling that "begging for dumping" is ridiculous. Dumping is flooding a market with cheap product to damage the domestic industry. A temporary, limited import increase to take some pressure off beef prices isn't remotely the same thing.

And here's the part everyone wants to hand wave away: you can't have a small cattle herd, cheap hamburgers, and happy ranchers all at the same time. Ranchers hate the imports. Consumers hate $7 ground beef. Pick your complaint.

The herd liquidation already happened. This is dealing with the consequences, not causing them.
HTownAg98
How long do you want to ignore this user?
There should be a happy medium where cattle producers can still make money, and the consumer finds some relief, but I have zero confidence the government has the ability to find that happy medium.
redseven94
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
flown-the-coop said:

Jeeper79 said:

flown-the-coop said:

Yes, this is what intelligent political machines do in order to win elections and be in power.

Not just good Trump, but most excellent Trump.

Don't forget to enjoy the Freedom 250 Indycar race starting Sunday at 16:30 UTC.
Or even better, we could just not tariff. Politicians don't get bonus points for undoing their own mistakes.

Good thing it was not a mistake. Tariffs have been a yuge win for Trump, pearl clutching on f16 aside.


In what way? I'm confused bc he just admitted today that a way to lower consumer prices is to eliminate tariffs. Doesn't sound consistent with the last two years talk of how foreign governments pay tariffs.
redseven94
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
So Biden was responsible for the draught too?
Logos Stick
How long do you want to ignore this user?
redseven94 said:

So Biden was responsible for the draught too?


The team that ran the presidency - it wasn't Biden - knew what was happening and did nothing. So I take it you are good with Trump's actions here.
redseven94
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Logos Stick said:

redseven94 said:

So Biden was responsible for the draught too?


The team that ran the presidency - it wasn't Biden - knew what was happening and did nothing. So I take it you are good with Trump's actions here.


So Biden is responsible for climate change too? He has some serious power LOGO!
Logos Stick
How long do you want to ignore this user?
redseven94 said:

Logos Stick said:

redseven94 said:

So Biden was responsible for the draught too?


The team that ran the presidency - it wasn't Biden - knew what was happening and did nothing. So I take it you are good with Trump's actions here.


So Biden is responsible for climate change too? He has some serious power LOGO!


No my lib friend, Biden didn't invent drought. Droughts have been hammering the Plains for longer than any of us have been alive. Look up some history. Ever heard of the 1930s dust bowl?!

What did happen under Biden is that a multi-year drought hit the same areas where the cattle herd was already under pressure from high feed costs and the normal reduction phase. The people actually running the government knew the numbers were dropping and the prices were climbing. They did the usual: talk about climate, talk about equity, and watch the herd shrink to levels last seen when Truman was president. Idiots!

Blaming every dry spell on "climate change" as if it's a magic political spell is the part that gets weapons grade stupid. The herd didn't disappear because someone forgot to recite the correct climate manifesto. It vanished because of let's see..... biology, weather, and economics that the people in charge ignored or couldn't be bothered to address.

And no, that doesn't mean every subsequent action is automatically on target. It just means the "Biden caused the drought" and "Biden caused climate change" lines are both equally unserious.
redseven94
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
TLDR.


Maybe next time…

Logos Stick
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Pearls before swine...
redseven94
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Logos Stick said:

Pearls before swine...


"It is easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled…". S.L. Clements ~150 years ago…
Deputy Travis Junior
How long do you want to ignore this user?
You misunderstood me. I get that the herd was smaller when trump entered office. I'm saying that imposing beef tariffs when herds were already at catastrophically low levels was dumb. When you already have a domestic supply crunch, you don't make the price surge even worse with tariffs.

Now we did that and drove prices even higher (ie trump realized he screwed up), and it's gotten so bad that we're bringing in foreign suppliers to sell at far below the domestic market price, harming the very people he imposed the tariffs to protect.
nortex97
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG

I remember. We had democrats here defending the BLM acts.
nomadic_ag
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Surprised it took us this long to blame Biden. That guy is no bueno.
shiftyandquick
How long do you want to ignore this user?
nomadic_ag said:

Surprised it took us this long to blame Biden. That guy is no bueno.

Ridiculous that Trump is being blamed for the Biden drought.
Sq 17
How long do you want to ignore this user?
This is a demographic issue
Not Biden or Trump's fault
Boomers and the Silent Generation had enough wealth to be " Hobby Ranchers"

They are getting out of the business and there Gen X children are saying no thank you
The numbers on a cow calf operation are a terrible ROI if you are running cattle on land that you own.
There is not enough money in cows to purchase land with the cash flow* from a cow calf operation

* I say cash flow ( not profit ) because the person doing most of the work is the owner operator and is probably not tracking his hours and not paying himself the prevailing wage in the area if he paid himself there would be no profit

I went to the beef cattle short course 15+ years ago and one of the seminars said

"if your operation is properly accounting for depreciation and your labor it is very unlikely you are posting a profit you may have positive cash flow but that is not profit"
Daddy
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
austinAG90 said:

flown-the-coop said:

Yes, this is what intelligent political machines do in order to win elections and be in power.

Not just good Trump, but most excellent Trump.

Don't forget to enjoy the Freedom 250 Indycar race starting Sunday at 16:30 UTC.

Price fixing in any commodity has never worked


He's not price fixing he's allowing competition from outside meat

I favor this. I can't see how you don't.
HTownAg98
How long do you want to ignore this user?
nortex97 said:


I remember. We had democrats here defending the BLM acts.


That's all a hot circle of garbage. The Biden administration did not pull 4MM acres of BLM land out of grazing. That was a court settlement regarding oil and gas leases, not cattle grazing. The only grazing leases the Biden administration pulled had to do with freaking bison.
Some people will believe any nonsense without checking what actually happened.
Sq 17
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Tariffs are almost always used to
Protect domestic production

It can be argued that allowing foreign sources to undercut domestic producers is bad because as a nation we need to be self sufficient with food production

Of course the gulf coast shrimping industry got totally gutted by Asian imports
It's a balance the cattle industry is terribly out of balance not sure this is going to be helpful for anybody

Lastly Still can't figure out how he is going to dictate the 25% discount unless all of it is going into commercial food production McD, Chilis etcetera
nortex97
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
HTownAg98 said:

nortex97 said:


I remember. We had democrats here defending the BLM acts.


That's all a hot circle of garbage. The Biden administration did not pull 4MM acres of BLM land out of grazing. That was a court settlement regarding oil and gas leases, not cattle grazing. The only grazing leases the Biden administration pulled had to do with freaking bison.
Some people will believe any nonsense without checking what actually happened.

Shockingly, I don't think you know what you are talking about. Well, ok I am not shocked.

Here's a longer thread of many of the actions Peepaw took to undermine US cattle industry. It wasn't just one EO/agency action by any means, but a persistent effort to put pressure on ranchers. And, guess what, it worked? They got lot's of input from 'conservation' groups and folks like Bill Gates who want less real beef/cattle farts causing 'global warming' of course.

But by all means, believe whatever you wish.
twelve12twelve
How long do you want to ignore this user?
What, you don't believe well-known rancher V5532Cynthia? Come on, they are definitely not a bot!


Almost like all nortex does is post botted tweets to bolster their ******ed opinions.
 
×
subscribe Verify your student status
See Subscription Benefits
Trial only available to users who have never subscribed or participated in a previous trial.