Ag with kids said:

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TA-OP said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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TA-OP said:

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How is it the state constitutional topic is so hot in the Virginia thread but everyone is dead silent here where the Florida Constitution couldn't be clearer on this topic? Heck, even if the VRA gets shot down, Florida's Constitution prohibits racial gerrymandering.

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It's a great thing they aren't racial gerrymandering then.

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You and the 6 people that starred you just showed the ignorance I'm talking g about. I said Florida's Constitution couldn't be clearer on this topic. Florida's Constitution explicitly prohibits drawing districts with the intent to favor or disfavor a political party or incumbent.

Edit to add: and that's why gutting the VRA has no bearing on this situation.

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Cool..

And Virginia didn't follow their rules when they did THEIR "dummymandering"...

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Did I claim otherwise? Nothing but hate for open dialogue.

Man, if he had a bit more charisma he'd be the by far and away leader for the GOP nomination in 2028.

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Lol. Hakeem Jeffries just got bi*** slapped.

You just knew DeSantis wasn't going to hold back on this one.

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I backed DeSantis in the primaries. Still feel like It was the right call. Trump policies without the drama.

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He would've been an amazing president. He just couldn't overcome the Trump momentum in the GOP which even surprised me. I thought people were ready to move on, but his momentum was not to be stopped.

It could still happen, imho. He could absolutely be on the ticket even for Vance or Rubio, imho. (Latter I assume has a place around DC he lives in at this point too). The RDS to scotus rumors are also pretty plausible.

ts5641 said:

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Man, if he had a bit more charisma he'd be the by far and away leader for the GOP nomination in 2028.

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charisma is a bit of it, plus he's evidently just a bit odd in person, not fatal in politics but it's not in the "pro" column, not fully in the "con" one.

I also read some info coming out from various depositions on the Reedy Creek takeover. DeSantis shot the trophy buck but left it up to others to process the kill… and that has been messy based on his original appointees to the board.

Does that keep him down in 2028? No, but he needs to rise above the others and that feels like a longer shot these days.

That said, being in upper middle of pack 2 years from the primaries probably not a terrible place to be.

So one caution for all you cheering this too loudly -- this process is by definition going to make districts more competitive. If you're diluting Democratic districts by adding some number of their Democratic voters to "safe" Republican districts, you're intrinsically making those safe Republican districts less safe. So, as long as the Republican party maintains an edge over the Democratic party that's fine, the gerrymander should still favor the Republicans. But if there's ever a blue shift, this new gerrymander might turn what would be a 5 seat flip to a 10 or 15 seat flip. This is an especially relevant consideration with the weakening of Hispanic support for the GOP we've seen recently. So far Hispanic support for the GOP has held up in Florida better than in any other state, but if that trend hits us here we may well regret this gerrymander.

solishu said:

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So one caution for all you cheering this too loudly -- this process is by definition going to make districts more competitive. If you're diluting Democratic districts by adding some number of their Democratic voters to "safe" Republican districts, you're intrinsically making those safe Republican districts less safe. So, as long as the Republican party maintains an edge over the Democratic party that's fine, the gerrymander should still favor the Republicans. But if there's ever a blue shift, this new gerrymander might turn what would be a 5 seat flip to a 10 or 15 seat flip. This is an especially relevant consideration with the weakening of Hispanic support for the GOP we've seen recently. So far Hispanic support for the GOP has held up in Florida better than in any other state, but if that trend hits us here we may well regret this gerrymander.

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The same holds true for blue states where independents have shifted toward the R column in recent years as the Dems grow more rabidly Marxist.

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Ag with kids said:

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TA-OP said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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TA-OP said:

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How is it the state constitutional topic is so hot in the Virginia thread but everyone is dead silent here where the Florida Constitution couldn't be clearer on this topic? Heck, even if the VRA gets shot down, Florida's Constitution prohibits racial gerrymandering.

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It's a great thing they aren't racial gerrymandering then.

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You and the 6 people that starred you just showed the ignorance I'm talking g about. I said Florida's Constitution couldn't be clearer on this topic. Florida's Constitution explicitly prohibits drawing districts with the intent to favor or disfavor a political party or incumbent.

Edit to add: and that's why gutting the VRA has no bearing on this situation.

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Cool..

And Virginia didn't follow their rules when they did THEIR "dummymandering"...

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Did I claim otherwise? Nothing but hate for open dialogue.

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If it really mattered to you, you would have attacked the VA process too. But, it doesn't...you only cared when the other side did it.

"Open dialogue" indeed...

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Man, if he had a bit more charisma he'd be the by far and away leader for the GOP nomination in 2028.

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You think Vance has charisma?

Dems have gerrymandered the hell out of their states long before this and that hasn't happened. And the map is not locked into stone, it can be changed again. I think we'll be ok lefty, but thanks!

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solishu said:

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So one caution for all you cheering this too loudly -- this process is by definition going to make districts more competitive. If you're diluting Democratic districts by adding some number of their Democratic voters to "safe" Republican districts, you're intrinsically making those safe Republican districts less safe. So, as long as the Republican party maintains an edge over the Democratic party that's fine, the gerrymander should still favor the Republicans. But if there's ever a blue shift, this new gerrymander might turn what would be a 5 seat flip to a 10 or 15 seat flip. This is an especially relevant consideration with the weakening of Hispanic support for the GOP we've seen recently. So far Hispanic support for the GOP has held up in Florida better than in any other state, but if that trend hits us here we may well regret this gerrymander.

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The same holds true for blue states where independents have shifted toward the R column in recent years as the Dems grow more rabidly Marxist.

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Correct. All I'm saying is that this is a great strategy when it works, and a really crappy one when it doesn't. We don't know yet what the long-term consequences are of this trend, even though everyone is fist pumping because "Fighten Ron Desantis" is throwing haymakers at the Democrats. Very exciting to be sure. But you also open yourself up to the counterpunch.

techno-ag said:

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solishu said:

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So one caution for all you cheering this too loudly -- this process is by definition going to make districts more competitive. If you're diluting Democratic districts by adding some number of their Democratic voters to "safe" Republican districts, you're intrinsically making those safe Republican districts less safe. So, as long as the Republican party maintains an edge over the Democratic party that's fine, the gerrymander should still favor the Republicans. But if there's ever a blue shift, this new gerrymander might turn what would be a 5 seat flip to a 10 or 15 seat flip. This is an especially relevant consideration with the weakening of Hispanic support for the GOP we've seen recently. So far Hispanic support for the GOP has held up in Florida better than in any other state, but if that trend hits us here we may well regret this gerrymander.

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The same holds true for blue states where independents have shifted toward the R column in recent years as the Dems grow more rabidly Marxist.

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Dummymandering, FAFO and ignorant tirades by the looney left all should that they are scared ****less about 2026 and moving forward. 2032 is the date of their electorate map Armageddon and they are doing everything they can to regain power before then. Everything.

They are getting more and more brazen in their efforts. If you want to know what to say to any libs in your real world
Interactions, I would say "It's time to stop, now. If you continue, you will cause an internal violent conflict and very possibly civil war. It's time to stop."