Trump to the British, nut up or shut up

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itsyourboypookie
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Trump this am, go get your own oil red coats.

Can't wait to see the spin on this one.

Ellis Wyatt
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Love it. Current British leadership is nutless.
Kenneth_2003
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I've been saying all along, it's not the US's sole responsibility to coddle the western world.

EVERY country with interests in the ME can take their navy to the Strait of Hormuz and provide security assistance.

They won't or don't because they are cowards. Cowards in action because they're too yellow-bellied to take a stand or cowards in ideology because not so deep down they support Iran in this.
Who?mikejones!
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That and they are scared of their own islamist population
Ellis Wyatt
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Sort of. They made the choice to subjugate themselves.
Old Sarge
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Who?mikejones! said:

That and they are scared of their own islamist population


That is why you don't let Islamists into your country, and deport the ones already in it.
"Green" is the new RED.
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I think the nut was busted with that post and Starmer is looking for a towel this afternoon at #10.
LMCane
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Kenneth_2003 said:

I've been saying all along, it's not the US's sole responsibility to coddle the western world.

EVERY country with interests in the ME can take their navy to the Strait of Hormuz and provide security assistance.

They won't or don't because they are cowards. Cowards in action because they're too yellow-bellied to take a stand or cowards in ideology because not so deep down they support Iran in this.

you left out one of the main reasons the Euro politicians are cowardly:

they know the Islamists in England, France, Belgium, Holland, Sweden etc. will either vote them out of office or firebomb their neighborhoods.

literally impossible to believe that Churchill and the British were willing to suffer 645,000 dead against Hitler

and then 80 years later surrender without firing a shot to the Muslims.
AlaskanAg99
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Culmination of decades of poor leadership and even poorer decisions as related to energy and defense.

They are not our allies. I hope this breaks apart NATO and we sign agreements with individual nations.
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The messed up thing is, they have resources, they have just stopped trying to produce and refine them. They are like California. Energy is life in this world, and they would rather die.
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Who?mikejones! said:

That and they are scared of their own islamist population

Tommy Robinson has been blowing this horn for years, maybe two decades. No one listened, just threw him in jail. The UK deserves everything they get, but don't get me wrong, it is still a darn shame for a great country.

We in the US have seen a major blow with NYC and Mamdami. Texas isn't doing so well either with the proliferation of mosques. They are going after the heart(s) of this country. This will continue to happen until Americans wake up and do not vote any of them in to ANY office of power. And deport, deport, deport.
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We are leaving NATO I suspect
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Ellis Wyatt said:

Sort of. They made the choice to subjugate themselves.


Well, leftism let them in. Now its too late to recover without major consequence
Aggie Infantry
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When the truth comes out, do not ask me how I knew.
Ask yourself why you did not.
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Well it was Thatcher that chided H.W. Bush not to "go wobbly" on her during the Falklands War, IIRC.
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Excellent vid! Thx, I think I had posted that or meant to anyway a couple days ago. Felton is always great. Notably, their defence secretary didn't even know how many destroyers/frigates exist for the RN right now.

They seem to be rivals only to the Canadians as naval laughing stocks of the world right now.
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Aggie Infantry said:





I freaking love Dr. Felton. Pretty sure I have watched nearly all of his of his productions. The little intro jingle on his videos always gets me hyped.

I have never heard him get even close to being angry in one before but his disgust is just palpable in this one. As one can suspect, he knows his history obviously. He knows precisely how precarious a position the UK is in right now and he has been talking about it for a while now but as with most people, is utterly powerless to enact real change.

The "peace dividend" was an insidious trap for a lot of countries…

ETA: Also think a chunk of his frustration is knowing that there is not much that can be done really. It's the problem with modern western navies. It can take a decade or more to "course correct" from mistakes made by a previous generation. It's the same damn problem we are facing now with some post hindsight mistakes in ship acquisition that will take years to recover from. Wrong decisions cost billions upon billions in wasted potential and years of production time. Years both us or the UK may not have before the next hot war.
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Not trying to derail, but seemed related/applicable to this topic:
laavispa
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Great Britian has been trading on their Napoleonic traditions for over 200 years. The Royal Army boasts some 73+K active-duty troops. Their Navy, at the onset of the Iranian dustup was half the size of the Iranian Navy.
The RAF has been trading on their Battle of Britian reputation. All in all a paper tiger.

With an estimated 6% Islamic population including radical Wahabi clerics they have a big problem.
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Eliminatus
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laavispa said:

Great Britian has been trading on their Napoleonic traditions for over 200 years. The Royal Army boasts some 73+K active-duty troops. Their Navy, at the onset of the Iranian dustup was half the size of the Iranian Navy.
The RAF has been trading on their Battle of Britian reputation. All in all a paper tiger.

With an estimated 6% Islamic population including radical Wahabi clerics they have a big problem.


Though their empire is a tiny fraction of what it used to be, they still have obligations across the globe. The defensive commitments they have means they can only feasibly field an equivalent of a brigade or two as an expeditionary force.

That is also dependent on the population not getting squirrelly and them not needing to beef up local policing efforts with military. Ya know, in case of an unpopular war against certain demographics…

Paper tiger is correct.
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From the Euro perspective, I'm sure they would say everything was getting thru the strait just fine before the US and Israel attacked Iran. They probably read that as Trump saying "we broke it, now you fix it."
John Fisher Pessimist
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Please can we finally leave NATO

as a bonus let's stop funding the UN
TxAG#2011
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The UK has no obligation to enter this dumb war
Ellis Wyatt
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Yeah. Unicorn farts will power the whole country!

God save the King!
Slicer97
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TxAG#2011 said:

The UK has no obligation to enter this dumb war

And we have no obligation to ensure their oil shipments for them.
Colonel Kurtz
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As far as I remember the strait was open and working perfectly fine before the US and Israel started carpetbombing it.
DTP02
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This course feels like hastening the end of the petrodollar. I'd love to believe we have a coherent overarching strategy here.
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DTP02 said:

From the Euro perspective, I'm sure they would say everything was getting thru the strait just fine before the US and Israel attacked Iran. They probably read that as Trump saying "we broke it, now you fix it."
They, as anyone else who shares this view, should read Hemingway.

How do you lose your way of life and your freedom? Two ways. Gradually, then suddenly.
LMCane
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also keep in mind that at one point-

the Royal Navy had more combat vessels than ANY OTHER country on the face of the planet.

now they can't even get a single destroyer from one place to another!!

TxAG#2011
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Slicer97 said:

TxAG#2011 said:

The UK has no obligation to enter this dumb war

And we have no obligation to ensure their oil shipments for them.

Well, we aren't doing that anyways lol
LMCane
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Colonel Kurtz said:

As far as I remember the strait was open and working perfectly fine before the US and Israel started carpetbombing it.


the Southern economy was doing just fine before the North freed the slaves.

there was no Cold War with the Soviet Union before the Nazis were stopped by the USA


Pearl Harbor was a beautiful base for the Pacific Fleet before the USA stopped oil shipments to Japan
LMCane
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Colonel Kurtz said:

As far as I remember the strait was open and working perfectly fine before the US and Israel started carpetbombing it.


and as always- this guy always supports our enemies rather than the USA position.

how come you don't post:

"there was a real ballistic missile and nuclear bomb threat to the free world before the USA and Israel started carpet bombing it"?


how come you instead regurgitate Islamic State talking points?
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TxAG#2011 said:

Slicer97 said:

TxAG#2011 said:

The UK has no obligation to enter this dumb war

And we have no obligation to ensure their oil shipments for them.

Well, we aren't doing that anyways lol

Umm what? There is a reason the world counts on Freedom of Navigation patrols by the US.
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For those complaining about the US bombing Iran.

Mas89
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Exactly. Have we heard of any Somali Pirates attacking ships since January 2025? Ever wonder why they aren't doing that anymore?

And no, not All of them have gone to Minnesota now…
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