Spains refusal to allow us use of airspace

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Timberwolf
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Lots of thoughts …

They are either scared of Iran and/or leadership supports a barbaric regime.


spend your hard earned dollars somewhere else. The country has put a big you're not welcome mat down for you. Do the people of Spain support such an asinine position?

rocky the dog
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Elections are when people find out what politicians stand for, and politicians find out what people will fall for.
aezmvp
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They're not pro Iranian, they're anti American. The Span8sh government is a mess of a coalition and this is an easy win for their different leftist bases. Franco didn't go enough. Clearly.
nortex97
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Spain literally elected the communists who now have also vowed to replace the spanish population via migration from Africa. They are approaching the FO phase quickly now, as communists cannot be un-elected once in power.


Whatever sentimentality one might have for the history of the Spanish people or our alliance with them post-ww2 anyway should be set aside regarding their 'new' regime. Spain is an enemy of the American people and should be treated as such.
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Just fly over it anyway. They won't do a damn thing
Ciboag96
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FIDO*98* said:

Just fly over it anyway. They won't do a damn thing


Lisp spray vehemently at you
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Ciboag96 said:

FIDO*98* said:

Just fly over it anyway. They won't do a damn thing


Lisp spray vehemently at you
In Catalan
Hank the Grifter
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It's just a matter of time before the shooting starts again. Everywhere. This is untenable.
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You joke, but when the AWFL's have a supply chain interruption in red sangria and tapas, things could get very nasty in the wealthier suburbs.

This is not something to crack jokes about Rocky. Take away a white lady's wine and apps would be a George Floyd moment for the,.
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aezmvp said:

They're not pro Iranian, they're anti American. The Span8sh government is a mess of a coalition and this is an easy win for their different leftist bases. Franco didn't go enough. Clearly.

Nah, they don't get a pass. This obviously does not only affect one party, and they made a decision which way they go... When they stick it to the US, they also help Iran.

They looked at all the "atrocities" the US has done, and looked at all the atrocities Iran has done and said we're going to help Iran.
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Not really surprising at all. This is a dumb war that has only hurt the country. Why would they support it?
Timberwolf
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Forgot about the patriots of Catalonia. You'd assume this far swing to the left in Madrid is going to fire up the movement for independence again.
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They looked at all the "atrocities" the US has done, and looked at all the atrocities Iran has done and said we're going to help Iran.

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nortex97 said:

Spain literally elected the communists who now have also vowed to replace the spanish population via migration from Africa. They are approaching the FO phase quickly now, as communists cannot be un-elected once in power.


Whatever sentimentality one might have for the history of the Spanish people or our alliance with them post-ww2 anyway should be set aside regarding their 'new' regime. Spain is an enemy of the American people and should be treated as such.

No, I don't care what CNN or Miss NOW said this time
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Timberwolf
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You're not surprised a member of NATO sided with the Iranians? Good luck with that position Spaniards.
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Western Civilization is a complete **** show!!! Has there ever in recorded history been a civilization hell bent on essentially destroying itself. It's almost like the 100 million people that died under communism in the 20th century are a complete after thought to these people. They all think they're going to do it better! In reality, they'll just be responsible to killing 1 billion people (or more) this time around. Historians will feast on the times we live in...I'm quite certain of that. Bring on the end times...we are seeing the early stages of it IMHO!
Maroon Dawn
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Spain is now a Islamofascist Communist dictatorship

Are we surprised they sided with a fellow Islamic Dictatorship?
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Timberwolf said:

Forgot about the patriots of Catalonia. You'd assume this far swing to the left in Madrid is going to fire up the movement for independence again.

Where can I buy my Free Catalonia t-shirt?
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Seems like we should decline airspace for their kickball team this summer.
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Think about the entire history of the United States in war. Spain has been our allies in two conflicts, American Revolutionary War and Iraq War (2003) for just one year. Both of these relationships are pretty minor but they didn't support our enemy.

They have been against us directly in the Spanish-American War or supported our enemy in all the rest.

They keep up the charade that we are allies for tourism and we get use of two bases which they cut off last week. This isn't a true ally relationship.

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The communists will turn Spain into a ****hole in short order. Spain will seem fine temporarily as it lives off the remaining skeleton of capitalism. But it will rot the bones and turn into Cuba/Venezuela or worse.
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Work some things out with Morocco, cut Spain off from everything.
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TexAgs91 said:

nortex97 said:

Spain literally elected the communists who now have also vowed to replace the spanish population via migration from Africa. They are approaching the FO phase quickly now, as communists cannot be un-elected once in power.


Whatever sentimentality one might have for the history of the Spanish people or our alliance with them post-ww2 anyway should be set aside regarding their 'new' regime. Spain is an enemy of the American people and should be treated as such.



The muzzys had it once before, they can have it again.
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TikiBarrel said:

Western Civilization is a complete **** show!!! Has there ever in recorded history been a civilization hell bent on essentially destroying itself. It's almost like the 100 million people that died under communism in the 20th century are a complete after thought to these people. They all think they're going to do it better! In reality, they'll just be responsible to killing 1 billion people (or more) this time around. Historians will feast on the times we live in...I'm quite certain of that. Bring on the end times...we are seeing the early stages of it IMHO!

People don't push God out of their our lives without consequences.
SoTxAg
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Spanish are still feeling impact of 2004 train bombings. They would rather live in fear than actually deal with the problem.
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It's a win-win for them. They're not going to help us, so they can be a passive ally of Iran by denying us their airspace. Spain knows that we are not going to do anything to them and by taking this action they think they lesson the probability of terrorist bombings in their country.
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Spain, once a world power with a world empire, fell into the dust bin of history with Ferdinand, Isabella, Tomas de Torquemada and antisemitism. To this day they have never recovered. Christ told Abraham regarding the Jewish people, "I will bless those who bless you and the ones that curse you I will curse…" Gen 12:3
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I bet another motivation of Spain to adopt this position is the uncertainty of the BILLIONS they've helped Iran launder & hide in bank accounts & other assets across Spain. If all that wealth suddenly disappeared, or even worse, investigations were launched to learn the "who, what, when, where & how" behind why Spain was chosen to handle that money from Iran, the political figures/ countries exposed by such revelations would reverberate throughout the Arab AND Western World!!

Just my 2 cents FWIW.
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Tell Spain, we will fly over their space as we see it if they have a problem with it they can talk to NATO. We can then tell NATO how about we drop out and you can keep Spain good luck with Russia.
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TexAgs91 said:

aezmvp said:

They're not pro Iranian, they're anti American. The Span8sh government is a mess of a coalition and this is an easy win for their different leftist bases. Franco didn't go enough. Clearly.

Nah, they don't get a pass. This obviously does not only affect one party, and they made a decision which way they go... When they stick it to the US, they also help Iran.

They looked at all the "atrocities" the US has done, and looked at all the atrocities Iran has done and said we're going to help Iran.

Definitely not saying they should get a pass. Honestly, I'd figure out a way to force all LNG and Petro deliveries through Portugal or France and make them spend lots and lots of dollars extra to get that energy. Or force them to buy through the Gulf which will be hugely more expensive. No problem making things hard on Santander or BBVA either. Focus any deals done with Spain into Catalonia around Barcelona and out of the areas around Madrid, Seville, Valencia, Malaga, Cordoba and Cadiz. It's relatively quiet at the moment but a shift like that might make the Spanish worried about US support for a sepratist movemnt there.

The bottom line is Spain needs to feel reprocussions from this. Ones that not only they understand, but the rest of Europe does too.
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rocky the dog said:




The PM and his party, PSOE, supports a barbaric regime … in addition to China, Cuba, and Maduro's former dictatorship in Venezuela. He's Europe's Joe Biden. What he does and says defies logic and reasoning.
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Scotty Appleton said:

Seems like we should decline airspace for their kickball team this summer.


I love this idea. Soccer is closer to their hearts than God. This move would absolutely crush Spain. Please, Trump. Do it. Drive a dagger through the PM's heart.
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Street Fighter said:

Work some things out with Morocco, cut Spain off from everything.



After we take finish taking Greenland from the Danes, we need to take Gibraltar from the British.
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Just close our two bases in Spain and don't send them another dime. Tell Spain they are on their own and don't ever call us for any help defending your country or economy. End of story. We need to get out of NATO. They are just sucking us dry. Make our own side deals with our true allies.
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Timberwolf said:

Lots of thoughts …

They are either scared of Iran and/or leadership supports a barbaric regime.

spend your hard earned dollars somewhere else. The country has put a big you're not welcome mat down for you. Do the people of Spain support such an asinine position?
Sixty-five days ago, President Trump intentionally lied and publicly insulted the 1200 dead soldiers and the thousands of wounded soldiers and the many tens of thousands of veterans from our NATO allies who served in Iraq and Afghanistan. Maybe you missed seeing it in the news. No other American President in U.S. history would have done something this low. But as we have all seen, Trump can do and say whatever he wants, and his base will still support him, defend him, lie for him, and make excuses for him.
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