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I'm not a fan of our current strategy but that's quite the take. You really think an Iran with nuclear weapons would make the region they've already destabilized almost solely by themselves for decades while not having nukes.....more stable?

So Iran getting nukes would suddenly mean they no longer fund multiple terrorist proxy groups all over the M.E. and they would just focus on making Iran better and leave all of their neighbors alone? They would leave Lebanon and let the Lebanese run their own country? They would leave Yemen and let them run their own country?

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These people think that Israel is the destabilizing force in the area, and so in their minds, yes, a nuclear Iran would stabilize the region. Take out Israel, take out the problem.

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History shows that since Israel was founded in 1948, basically every country in the region has been at war with them at various/multiple times. Sometimes many of them at once. Lebanon notably has been at war with them since the beginning.

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Not the fault of the Jews or Israel. The murderous death cults are to blame.

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I was not assigning fault. I was addressing comments about "destabilizing force"

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They exist. They are not a force.

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They exist. With nuclear weapons. The only country in the ME with nukes. Not a force? Are we feeling stabilized?

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The only destabilizers are the death cults.

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I'm not a fan of our current strategy but that's quite the take. You really think an Iran with nuclear weapons would make the region they've already destabilized almost solely by themselves for decades while not having nukes.....more stable?

So Iran getting nukes would suddenly mean they no longer fund multiple terrorist proxy groups all over the M.E. and they would just focus on making Iran better and leave all of their neighbors alone? They would leave Lebanon and let the Lebanese run their own country? They would leave Yemen and let them run their own country?

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These people think that Israel is the destabilizing force in the area, and so in their minds, yes, a nuclear Iran would stabilize the region. Take out Israel, take out the problem.

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History shows that since Israel was founded in 1948, basically every country in the region has been at war with them at various/multiple times. Sometimes many of them at once. Lebanon notably has been at war with them since the beginning.

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All the other countries in the region have been at war with each other, too. Did that start in 1948?

1948 BCE?

Cause I could agree to that.

At some point the radical Muslims must be dealt with. In a more permanent sense. They are the remnants of warring barbarians that have harassed the region for thousands of years with no desire to be a part of modern society.

Purge them.

I said radical Muslims not Iranians.

How did you miss that?

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I said radical Muslims not Iranians.

How did you miss that?

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Still, easy to say sitting on your couch, much harder to actually do without letting this thing drag on for a decade or more like previous attempts to do the same (see the last 30 plus years)

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I mean radical Muslims everywhere. Pretty basic. Requires a team effort of Muslims, Jews, Christians and really everyone.

If you cannot behave in society then you will be purged from it.

Same for cartels, same for Somali pirates, same for looters, rioters and gang bangers.

But we can start with the radical Muslims. And it is a forever war or at least until the job is finished.

Now, that's a separate discussion. My comment was limited to the sub thread about Israel being a destabilizing forced.

Regarding Iran, we can start by offering bounties on IRGC members. Pay them in oil, goats, rials or free sekankabans. Who cares. But start getting them deleted in mass.

The political consequences for that are easily swallowed by the American populace. I say we get to it.

I have wondered why we aren't offering, loudly, bounties on key officials.

VDH; pay attention to what is actually happening on the ground.

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It doesn't really matter because if Trump loses the House, they are not going to cut off aid to … They won't have enough votes to cut off aid to the American military, nor would they do that.

If Trump were to win the midterms, he would still be as free as he would be to lose them. If he loses the midterms, if he wins them, it doesn't matter after the midterms are over.

He can do whatever he wants, but he feels he does not want to harm the infrastructure and the livelihood of the Iranian people.
So, he's squeezing, squeezing, squeezing and making them almost irrelevant.

Now, a final thought is they believe long term the future is theirs because they keep bragging that they're going to control the Strait of Hormuz.

They don't really control it now. Ships are going in and out against their will. They're not getting ships in to import goods, nor are they exporting oil out of it. But they feel they've achieved such a level of harassment and mine-laying that you can't fully use it.

But here's the problem with that.

Their military is shrinking as we speak. It doesn't have parts. It can't get fuel, and it doesn't have an air force to provide air cover. Anytime almost any of the Gulf States or the United States wants to take out facilities in Iran, they can do so, and they have done so. And they've done so to such a degree that it doesn't really have a maritime component in their military.

But more importantly, Donald Trump announced he would like to internationalize or even claim the Strait of Hormuz as U.S. territory.
I don't think that the American people want that. I don't think he wants it. I think he's trolling the Iranians because very soon the Straits of Hormuz are not going to be relevant to the global economy.

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Also, good to see, but will see if they actually enforce this.

The UAE's total trade and financial cutoff of Iran, if enforced, may be the most consequential economic action of this war for Iran. This could be even more significant than the embargo being put on by the United States.

Here's why. The U.S. naval blockade seals the Gulf of… https://t.co/0qvISQEPwG

— Miad Maleki (@miadmaleki) August 19, 2026

Another great post.

It's not divine wisdom that leads to these well-based conclusions; it's application of reality and common sense.

Pretending Iran has ever had any sort of upper hand ignores reality and common sense. Why so many choose that path, who knows.

From a tactical and strategic military perspective, the blockade, the MOU ruse, and Iran's incredibly self-defeating response strategy have put them squarely in a death spiral.

It's what they can fling out on their way out that becomes the top concern.

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I'm not a fan of our current strategy but that's quite the take. You really think an Iran with nuclear weapons would make the region they've already destabilized almost solely by themselves for decades while not having nukes.....more stable?

So Iran getting nukes would suddenly mean they no longer fund multiple terrorist proxy groups all over the M.E. and they would just focus on making Iran better and leave all of their neighbors alone? They would leave Lebanon and let the Lebanese run their own country? They would leave Yemen and let them run their own country?

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These people think that Israel is the destabilizing force in the area, and so in their minds, yes, a nuclear Iran would stabilize the region. Take out Israel, take out the problem.

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History shows that since Israel was founded in 1948, basically every country in the region has been at war with them at various/multiple times. Sometimes many of them at once. Lebanon notably has been at war with them since the beginning.

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Not the fault of the Jews or Israel. The murderous death cults are to blame.

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They exist. With nuclear weapons. The only country in the ME with nukes. Not a force? Are we feeling stabilized?

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And why do you think that is?

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I'm not a fan of our current strategy but that's quite the take. You really think an Iran with nuclear weapons would make the region they've already destabilized almost solely by themselves for decades while not having nukes.....more stable?

So Iran getting nukes would suddenly mean they no longer fund multiple terrorist proxy groups all over the M.E. and they would just focus on making Iran better and leave all of their neighbors alone? They would leave Lebanon and let the Lebanese run their own country? They would leave Yemen and let them run their own country?

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These people think that Israel is the destabilizing force in the area, and so in their minds, yes, a nuclear Iran would stabilize the region. Take out Israel, take out the problem.

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History shows that since Israel was founded in 1948, basically every country in the region has been at war with them at various/multiple times. Sometimes many of them at once. Lebanon notably has been at war with them since the beginning.

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Not the fault of the Jews or Israel. The murderous death cults are to blame.

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Ah yes.

So, if they'd only move out, the area would completely stabilize...

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I'm not a fan of our current strategy but that's quite the take. You really think an Iran with nuclear weapons would make the region they've already destabilized almost solely by themselves for decades while not having nukes.....more stable?

So Iran getting nukes would suddenly mean they no longer fund multiple terrorist proxy groups all over the M.E. and they would just focus on making Iran better and leave all of their neighbors alone? They would leave Lebanon and let the Lebanese run their own country? They would leave Yemen and let them run their own country?

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These people think that Israel is the destabilizing force in the area, and so in their minds, yes, a nuclear Iran would stabilize the region. Take out Israel, take out the problem.

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History shows that since Israel was founded in 1948, basically every country in the region has been at war with them at various/multiple times. Sometimes many of them at once. Lebanon notably has been at war with them since the beginning.

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What point are you trying to make here?

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I'm not a fan of our current strategy but that's quite the take. You really think an Iran with nuclear weapons would make the region they've already destabilized almost solely by themselves for decades while not having nukes.....more stable?

So Iran getting nukes would suddenly mean they no longer fund multiple terrorist proxy groups all over the M.E. and they would just focus on making Iran better and leave all of their neighbors alone? They would leave Lebanon and let the Lebanese run their own country? They would leave Yemen and let them run their own country?

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These people think that Israel is the destabilizing force in the area, and so in their minds, yes, a nuclear Iran would stabilize the region. Take out Israel, take out the problem.

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History shows that since Israel was founded in 1948, basically every country in the region has been at war with them at various/multiple times. Sometimes many of them at once. Lebanon notably has been at war with them since the beginning.

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What point are you trying to make here?

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If the Jews didn't live there, then Muslims wouldn't be fourth world, genocidal terrorists who rape women and children for sport.

Those pesky Jews, man.

Sounds like the ships are calling Iran's bluff and/or our protection is working well.

https://www.marineinsight.com/irans-grip-on-strait-of-hormuz-weakens-as-over-80-of-ships-use-omani-route/

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Iran appears to be losing some control over shipping in the Strait of Hormuz as more vessels choose a route along Oman's northern coast.

More than 80% of vessel transits through the strait over the past two weeks have used the Omani route, according to shipping data from Kpler. The route is authorised under international arrangements but is opposed by Iran.

The change is significant because Kpler recorded almost no commercial traffic using the Omani route a month ago.

Ships are now increasingly using it despite Iranian warnings and attacks, with US naval forces offering protection to vessels making the crossing.

"It increasingly looks like Iran has at least partially lost control of the strait," Homayoun Falakshahi, Kpler's head of crude oil analysis, told CNN.

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I do like they still give them a bone with "Iran appears to be losing control" over a body of water they have never had control over, legal, militarily or otherwise.

Good to hear. Hope it holds.

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I'm not a fan of our current strategy but that's quite the take. You really think an Iran with nuclear weapons would make the region they've already destabilized almost solely by themselves for decades while not having nukes.....more stable?

So Iran getting nukes would suddenly mean they no longer fund multiple terrorist proxy groups all over the M.E. and they would just focus on making Iran better and leave all of their neighbors alone? They would leave Lebanon and let the Lebanese run their own country? They would leave Yemen and let them run their own country?

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These people think that Israel is the destabilizing force in the area, and so in their minds, yes, a nuclear Iran would stabilize the region. Take out Israel, take out the problem.

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History shows that since Israel was founded in 1948, basically every country in the region has been at war with them at various/multiple times. Sometimes many of them at once. Lebanon notably has been at war with them since the beginning.

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Stop killing Israelis and they stop killing you. Egypt and Jordan figured this out.

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I'm not a fan of our current strategy but that's quite the take. You really think an Iran with nuclear weapons would make the region they've already destabilized almost solely by themselves for decades while not having nukes.....more stable?

So Iran getting nukes would suddenly mean they no longer fund multiple terrorist proxy groups all over the M.E. and they would just focus on making Iran better and leave all of their neighbors alone? They would leave Lebanon and let the Lebanese run their own country? They would leave Yemen and let them run their own country?

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These people think that Israel is the destabilizing force in the area, and so in their minds, yes, a nuclear Iran would stabilize the region. Take out Israel, take out the problem.

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History shows that since Israel was founded in 1948, basically every country in the region has been at war with them at various/multiple times. Sometimes many of them at once. Lebanon notably has been at war with them since the beginning.

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Not the fault of the Jews or Israel. The murderous death cults are to blame.

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Ah yes.

So, if they'd only move out, the area would completely stabilize...

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Where are we putting the Jews this time? Germany, Russia and Poland didn't work out.

NY, Cali and now Florida (Nixon DSA senate candidate) seems to want them gone.

Maybe the leper colony in Hawaii?

Damn destabilizing Jews!

Politically, the success of the Israeli economy and military is a curse for its Arab neighbors. While the DSA/Klan types here in the US and Europe hate Israel, the fact is that Israel represents the triumph of Western European culture and civilization in an alien and underdeveloped region. The problem the Israelis face is that their own Haredi (ultra-Orthodox) are culturally similar to the locals in having high birthrates, resistance to military service in the IDF and expect government subsidies for religious studies.

You have no idea my experience with war and violence. Nor I yours. That line is pure crap, nonsense.

If you want to placate truly evil people with pallets of cash, then win elections and do so.

For me and my family, bounties on the IRGC is middle of the fairway regarding how they have treated the world for 47 years.

While we are at it, the UK should deport all of the native whites who keep destabilizing England and causing the imported Muslims to rape them.

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Good to hear. Hope it holds.

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We've gone from approx 130-140 ships transiting the straight daily to about 10 per day.

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At some point the radical Muslims must be dealt with. In a more permanent sense. They are the remnants of warring barbarians that have harassed the region for thousands of years with no desire to be a part of modern society.

Purge them.

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Ok, Adolf.

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Good to hear. Hope it holds.

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We've gone from approx 130-140 ships transiting the straight daily to about 10 per day.

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Hey, it's better than 0.

Glass half full.

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Hey, it's better than 0.

Glass half full.

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We're winning!

Staff - why did my post get deleted? Some posters are allowed to make illegal suggestions laced with passive-aggressive ad hominem attacks, but if you reply with sources and clarification it gets deleted?

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I mean, honestly, even if we aren't putting a bounty on people, we're killing them in their homes with their families. Sometimes while they're sleeping. And if not us, we're certainly standing next to the Israelis who are doing it. Like I'm trying to think about the O5 that lives a few streets over, or the general that lives off base, getting killed while they're asleep with their family. Not to mention their neighbors dying or getting injured in the process.

What a lot of people don't realize is that many of the laws of armed conflict, and similar, weren't written by bureaucratic hippies that just sat around all day trying to make things hard for the military. They were written by people who actually saw the horrors of war.

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I mean, honestly, even if we aren't putting a bounty on people, we're killing them in their homes with their families. Sometimes while they're sleeping. And if not us, we're certainly standing next to the Israelis who are doing it. Like I'm trying to think about the O5 that lives a few streets over, or the general that lives off base, getting killed while they're asleep with their family. Not to mention their neighbors dying or getting injured in the process.

What a lot of people don't realize is that many of the laws of armed conflict, and similar, weren't written by bureaucratic hippies that just sat around all day trying to make things hard for the military. They were written by people who actually saw the horrors of war.

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Sounds great. Get the enemy to follow those rules, too. That's the only way that works. Otherwise we are the British during the Revolutionary War insisting on lining up in rows because "that's how wars are fought"

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Today, I am also announcing that ANY country that allows its financial institutions, businesses, airports, or government entities to provide any type of lifeline to Iran will itself face TREMENDOUS Economic Consequences. Oil smuggling, swap lines, cash transfers, exchange houses, ship registries, front companies It all needs to stop NOW. You know who you are.

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"You know who you are." I wish he expounded a little more on that one, because now I'm curious as hell. You can bet China and Russia are on that list, though.

He closed by saying these punishments, which he did not detail, will "cripple" the regime, and our allies better step up:

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This will be an ECONOMIC D-DAY, and we need all of our Allies to stand with the United States of America to isolate, and defeat, the Iran threat. These maniacs are on the ropes, and these HISTORIC MEASURES will cripple them and their ability to project terror worldwide. IRAN WILL NEVER HAVE A NUCLEAR WEAPON. THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER. President DONALD J. TRUMP

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The remains of the regime are said to be in dire straits and seeing inflation rates as high as 88 percent (that almost makes Joe Biden look good) will this be the move that finally brings them down?
I sure hope so.

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We both know we have dismantled the Iranian navy nothing left. My post was in concerned to the blockade of naval ports. I'm no Navy man but if we have ports blocked we have made it sound like no Iranian naval traffic. The Gulf is full or Iranian flagged vessels everyone could be carrying a mine. I don't understand the concept of wanting to get strait open when you have 100's of Iranian ships just moving around without any repercussions. Just trying to figure out the strategy here.

There is no strategy for the current situation US forces are in the middle of a conflict with no viable way out and are just managing the chaos
War especially when operating in foreign theaters often goes this way

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Help them at your own peril, Trump warned our friends and foes alike.

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Today, I am also announcing that ANY country that allows its financial institutions, businesses, airports, or government entities to provide any type of lifeline to Iran will itself face TREMENDOUS Economic Consequences. Oil smuggling, swap lines, cash transfers, exchange houses, ship registries, front companies It all needs to stop NOW. You know who you are.

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"You know who you are." I wish he expounded a little more on that one, because now I'm curious as hell. You can bet China and Russia are on that list, though.

He closed by saying these punishments, which he did not detail, will "cripple" the regime, and our allies better step up:

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This will be an ECONOMIC D-DAY, and we need all of our Allies to stand with the United States of America to isolate, and defeat, the Iran threat. These maniacs are on the ropes, and these HISTORIC MEASURES will cripple them and their ability to project terror worldwide. IRAN WILL NEVER HAVE A NUCLEAR WEAPON. THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER. President DONALD J. TRUMP

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The remains of the regime are said to be in dire straits and seeing inflation rates as high as 88 percent (that almost makes Joe Biden look good) will this be the move that finally brings them down?
I sure hope so.

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It's not just economic support I guess this will be Trump's new thing. Kind of brilliant actually say the regime is fixing to collapse then when it doesn't blame on other countries.

It's the ground to air radar someone has supplied them that worries me. High level bombing and sea to ground missiles are alot less effective. It's a reason they shot down planes and a reason we sent a drone boat instead of the usual helicopter rescue. The resources weren't available last summer or at the beginning of this war.