Political fallout and arguments regarding the US-Israeli action against Iran 022824

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The regime is indeed a death cult and I think Trump and friends have known this, heck other POTUSs (Biden excluded) knew and understood this.

Trump just decided to do something about it, political consequences be damned.

Trump bombing Iran was a selfless act by Trump done based on his love of Country.

Wish more people would see it for what it is. Selfless bravery.
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bobbranco said:

Death cult gonna death cult.




Iran threatens "response"


What are you gonna do? Bleed on me?



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Our great Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent is really making changes that again helps the US and hurts China.
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"Dollar dominance and reserve currency status are strengthened by constant long-term initiatives, including countering the growth of problematic, alternative payment systems." Translation for those who do not speak Treasury, this is about killing the petroyuan in its cradle



https://open.substack.com/pub/amuseonx/p/killing-the-petroyuan-secretary-bessent?selection=79458262-a90d-4e81-ba1c-25b1b49494f3&r=tfmfm&utm_medium=ios
“If you think you can do it better, go ahead. We will step aside.” Secretary of State Marco Rubio
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flown-the-coop said:

AGHouston11 said:

Queso1 said:

Yet here we are.


Maybe Jared can present that to them in the negotiations if they show this time. I'm sure he's tired of the interruptions this is causing for his business deals involving his multibillion private equity firm investing in Israel.

He needs to get something done soon. The likelihood of Israel making it for three weeks without blowing something up is not great.

Affinity Partners is based in Miami (Florida which is in the United States, not Israel). It focuses its investment in American and Israeli companies and did receive $2 billion in investments from… Saudi Arabia.

So Jared is manipulating the Iran negotiations on behalf of Israel using a US company and Saudi sovereign wealth money to do what exactly?

Also, seems the US and Israel are already working on some infrastructure deconstruction.

But let's not let any facts get in the way of insinuating Jared Kushner is working for Israel and not the US.


You seem to think it's just no conflicts of interest which is fine. I don't think it's fine. Who's he looking out for? No idea. Perhaps himself first.

Jared has his father pardoned by Trump in the first term. Interesting funny fact it was Chris Christie who prosecuted him and he was convicted of tax evasion, witness tampering, and illegal campaign contributions. Now the dad is serving as US Ambassador to France.

This is the same family BiBi would stay at their house when he's visit DC. So I would say they are pretty close, it's just guess.

Jared's firm was formed during Biden's term with a 2 Billion investment from the Saudi Prince. It focuses on investments in Israel.

Who's he working for solely? You have confidence it's the America tax payer. I don't have the same confidence. Way too many reasons he should not be negotiating on this with the various parties involved. Either way I'm just guessing Jared's firm is going to be doing very well during this term.
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AGHouston11 said:



Who's he working for solely? You have confidence it's the America tax payer. I don't have the same confidence. Way too many reasons he should not be negotiating on this with the various parties involved. Either way I'm just guessing Jared's firm is going to be doing very well during this term.


Is he working for the Jews? His father? BiBi (who per other posters is not even a good Jew)? The Trump org to benefit his wife and children? Is he working for the Saudi's? The Crown Prince? Is he working for the French to benefit his father's new gig?

Just how many boogeymen does Jared represent in your reality?

Do you have any indication that from his time negotiating the Abraham Accords, ushering historic peace in the region, was done to simply benefit his pockets, his friends, his fellow Jews, or his Islamist overlords in SA?

Is the suggestion this grand conspiracy to subvert the negotiations in Iran results from Netanyahu staying at the house of a billionaire prominent NY Jewish family when visiting… NY?

You don't have confidence he represents American citizens (who he represents, not everyone pays taxes) but you do have confidence that his motivation is to add another billion to the existing ones he has?

Very hard to follow the strings and connections here.
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Pretty big economic developments evolving from this conflict.

Hopefully they put some large pipelines next to the rail line.
nortex97
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Marco Rubio just eviscerated Macron who made comments about not supporting America, speaking for Europeans I guess this weekend.

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Macron just said Europe must break away from the US, and not intervene in its wars… When Macron tried to play superpower and fight terrorism in Africa, he couldn't even fly his troops there, we had to fly them for him

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On April 11, Macron declared to the American website Politico and to the French economic daily Les chos that Europe should not align itself with the United States or with China in the event of a conflict over Taiwan.

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flown-the-coop said:

AGHouston11 said:



Who's he working for solely? You have confidence it's the America tax payer. I don't have the same confidence. Way too many reasons he should not be negotiating on this with the various parties involved. Either way I'm just guessing Jared's firm is going to be doing very well during this term.


Is he working for the Jews? His father? BiBi (who per other posters is not even a good Jew)? The Trump org to benefit his wife and children? Is he working for the Saudi's? The Crown Prince? Is he working for the French to benefit his father's new gig?

Just how many boogeymen does Jared represent in your reality?

Do you have any indication that from his time negotiating the Abraham Accords, ushering historic peace in the region, was done to simply benefit his pockets, his friends, his fellow Jews, or his Islamist overlords in SA?

Is the suggestion this grand conspiracy to subvert the negotiations in Iran results from Netanyahu staying at the house of a billionaire prominent NY Jewish family when visiting… NY?

You don't have confidence he represents American citizens (who he represents, not everyone pays taxes) but you do have confidence that his motivation is to add another billion to the existing ones he has?

Very hard to follow the strings and connections here.


It's really not that hard to follow. It's harder to pretend other possibilities don't exist. Also it's not a great look to have an active private equity manager sitting at the negotiating table.
But that's the new maga swamp is normal now mentality.

There is a reason the Clinton foundation got huge money dumps from the Middle East. Jared's PE firm is not a foundation of course but he is in a position that makes things similar in some ways.

I'm not ok with either.
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flown-the-coop said:


Trump bombing Iran was a selfless act by Trump done based on his love of Country.

Wish more people would see it for what it is. Selfless bravery.

Yeah, that's the problem. Not enough people see how totally selfless Trump is.
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Personally, I have zero trust in Oman.
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MarvZindler said:

flown-the-coop said:


Trump bombing Iran was a selfless act by Trump done based on his love of Country.

Wish more people would see it for what it is. Selfless bravery.

Yeah, that's the problem. Not enough people see how totally selfless Trump is.

What immediate political gain is Trump getting from this?

Even the vaunted, truly believable "I voted for him 3 times" Reagan Republicans say this is Trump submitting to Big Bad BiBi says this is too much and they and "most of the base" are moving quickly away from Trump, the midterms will be a Blue Wave crushing landslide election.

So what did Trump gain here by attacking Iran? What was his selfish motivations? Surely you don't believe the nonsense that Kushner is manning the puppet strings to take Saudi Money to invest with the Semites to…. Well, outside of investing in projects and building things I am not sure what other nefarious things Affinity Partners are working on.

And that must be super secret because outside of BlueSky and Reddit regurgitations, no one is saying a damn thing about Kushner being in the negotiations. Well, Candace Tucker Tuck bros also believe in that nonsense.
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Outside of maybe paying off outside debts or trying to pay mercenaries, not sure what access to funds gives the regime. Or perhaps money is being moved (and allowed to move) to allow for some regime to seek exile?

Trump currently giving an interview with the still attractive lack of sleep Heinrich and he sounds very calm, confident.

That seems to continue to indicate his resolve on the Iran matter is intact. Always good to see.

Of course, he is ending with stolen redistricting election in Virginia and late night ballot drops.
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nortex97 said:


Personally, I have zero trust in Oman.


Taqiyya is beneficial to Muslims intent on ruling the world. It is used liberally and effectively to spread terror and discord. Tucker Carlson and others has been converted to their cause.

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flown-the-coop said:

MarvZindler said:

flown-the-coop said:


Trump bombing Iran was a selfless act by Trump done based on his love of Country.

Wish more people would see it for what it is. Selfless bravery.

Yeah, that's the problem. Not enough people see how totally selfless Trump is.

What immediate political gain is Trump getting from this?

Even the vaunted, truly believable "I voted for him 3 times" Reagan Republicans say this is Trump submitting to Big Bad BiBi says this is too much and they and "most of the base" are moving quickly away from Trump, the midterms will be a Blue Wave crushing landslide election.

So what did Trump gain here by attacking Iran? What was his selfish motivations? Surely you don't believe the nonsense that Kushner is manning the puppet strings to take Saudi Money to invest with the Semites to…. Well, outside of investing in projects and building things I am not sure what other nefarious things Affinity Partners are working on.

And that must be super secret because outside of BlueSky and Reddit regurgitations, no one is saying a damn thing about Kushner being in the negotiations. Well, Candace Tucker Tuck bros also believe in that nonsense.

The obvious answer is that Israel has some sort of leverage on Trump.
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The obviously stupid answer?

How did Trump lose on 2020 if the all powerful joooooooos wanted him to win?
Keyno
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Silent For Too Long said:

The obviously stupid answer?

Another answer would be Trump took a bunch of Israel First money to get re elected and this was the ask.
Keyno
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Silent For Too Long said:

The obviously stupid answer?

How did Trump lose on 2020 if the all powerful joooooooos wanted him to win?

Trump was against attacking Iran in 2020. Bibi asked him to during his first term and he refused just like the multiple Presidents before him.
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Keyno said:

Silent For Too Long said:

The obviously stupid answer?

Another answer would be Trump took a bunch of Israel First money to get re elected and this was the ask.

I gave money to Trump and I am not Jewish, so this is fake news.

But in all seriousness, this is fake news. Or are you indicating the Saudis investment in Kushner was really just a Semitic campaign contribution? Makes sense.
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Keyno said:

Silent For Too Long said:

The obviously stupid answer?

How did Trump lose on 2020 if the all powerful joooooooos wanted him to win?

Trump was against attacking Iran in 2020. Bibi asked him to during his first term and he refused just like the multiple Presidents before him.

Solemanis ring being found several yards from his body still attached to his finger outside a Baghdadi airport severely undermines this most baseless of baseless claims.

Why just make stuff up?
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flown-the-coop said:

Keyno said:

Silent For Too Long said:

The obviously stupid answer?

How did Trump lose on 2020 if the all powerful joooooooos wanted him to win?

Trump was against attacking Iran in 2020. Bibi asked him to during his first term and he refused just like the multiple Presidents before him.

Solemanis ring being found several yards from his body still attached to his finger outside a Baghdadi airport severely undermines this most baseless of baseless claims.

Why just make stuff up?

An assassination strike in Baghdad is not launching a war against the Iran state proper. Although it was a highly provocative move which absolutely contributed to where we are now.
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To be fair to Keyno, Nick Fuentes is the one making it up, he's just being a good little Frontsoldaten and carrying the banner.
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Silent For Too Long said:

To be fair to Keyno, Nick Fuentes is the one making it up, he's just being a good little Frontsoldaten and carrying the banner.

Do you know where Baghdad is? It is not in Iran if you did not know
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Keyno said:

flown-the-coop said:

Keyno said:

Silent For Too Long said:

The obviously stupid answer?

How did Trump lose on 2020 if the all powerful joooooooos wanted him to win?

Trump was against attacking Iran in 2020. Bibi asked him to during his first term and he refused just like the multiple Presidents before him.

Solemanis ring being found several yards from his body still attached to his finger outside a Baghdadi airport severely undermines this most baseless of baseless claims.

Why just make stuff up?

An assassination strike in Baghdad is not launching a war against the Iran state proper. Although it was a highly provocative move which absolutely contributed to where we are now.

But that's not what you said.

Do you have a copy of the request from Israel and denial by Trump during 2020?

Even a quote from a Candace Owen's interview with Nick Fuentes that can back up your claims?
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flown-the-coop said:

Keyno said:

Silent For Too Long said:

The obviously stupid answer?

Another answer would be Trump took a bunch of Israel First money to get re elected and this was the ask.

I gave money to Trump and I am not Jewish, so this is fake news.

But in all seriousness, this is fake news. Or are you indicating the Saudis investment in Kushner was really just a Semitic campaign contribution? Makes sense.

You gave hundreds of millions of dollars like Israel First contributors? Unfortunately, I am talking about real money, not whatever you gave.

Yeah, I believe Saudi is another regional competitor to Iran (like Israel) so that tracks.
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Keyno said:

Silent For Too Long said:

To be fair to Keyno, Nick Fuentes is the one making it up, he's just being a good little Frontsoldaten and carrying the banner.

Do you know where Baghdad is? It is not in Iran if you did not know


Oh I see. So if POTUS gets assassinated while he's visiting, say, Canada, then CANADA was the real target?
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Keyno said:

flown-the-coop said:

Keyno said:

Silent For Too Long said:

The obviously stupid answer?

How did Trump lose on 2020 if the all powerful joooooooos wanted him to win?

Trump was against attacking Iran in 2020. Bibi asked him to during his first term and he refused just like the multiple Presidents before him.

Solemanis ring being found several yards from his body still attached to his finger outside a Baghdadi airport severely undermines this most baseless of baseless claims.

Why just make stuff up?

An assassination strike in Baghdad is not launching a war against the Iran state proper. Although it was a highly provocative move which absolutely contributed to where we are now.

Iran has been at war with the United States since 1979. It is about time we decided to engage rather than just accept another hostage crisis, Beirut, or other such actions.
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Keyno said:

flown-the-coop said:

Keyno said:

Silent For Too Long said:

The obviously stupid answer?

Another answer would be Trump took a bunch of Israel First money to get re elected and this was the ask.

I gave money to Trump and I am not Jewish, so this is fake news.

But in all seriousness, this is fake news. Or are you indicating the Saudis investment in Kushner was really just a Semitic campaign contribution? Makes sense.

You gave hundreds of millions of dollars like Israel First contributors? Unfortunately, I am talking about real money, not whatever you gave.

Yeah, I believe Saudi is another regional competitor to Iran (like Israel) so that tracks.

Do you have a list of these "Israel First" donors I can review?

You support of the Islamic Republic of Iran is a bit bizarre but everyone is entitled to their own views and positions.

But just making wild, baseless and patently false accusations just seems weird. Put up deets for these bizarro takes so we can discuss.
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Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

Keyno said:

flown-the-coop said:

Keyno said:

Silent For Too Long said:

The obviously stupid answer?

How did Trump lose on 2020 if the all powerful joooooooos wanted him to win?

Trump was against attacking Iran in 2020. Bibi asked him to during his first term and he refused just like the multiple Presidents before him.

Solemanis ring being found several yards from his body still attached to his finger outside a Baghdadi airport severely undermines this most baseless of baseless claims.

Why just make stuff up?

An assassination strike in Baghdad is not launching a war against the Iran state proper. Although it was a highly provocative move which absolutely contributed to where we are now.

Iran has been at war with the United States since 1979. It is about time we decided to engage rather than just accept another hostage crisis, Beirut, or other such actions.


Supposedly we have been in perpetual peace with Iran, except we meddled in their affairs and pissed on their laundry basket this giving them the right to kill, harass, maim, rape, plunder the pillage in the entire region and frankly the globe, unless we abandon all our interests in the Middle East and surrounding areas.

And because we do not agree, then Lord Ayatollah Fatwa and his super pinky promise that their nuclear interests were not in a weapon and even if it were it was for a mostly peaceful nuke.

The rationale some put together to paint Trump as an Israeli puppet is truly, truly amazing.
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Silent For Too Long said:

Keyno said:

Silent For Too Long said:

To be fair to Keyno, Nick Fuentes is the one making it up, he's just being a good little Frontsoldaten and carrying the banner.

Do you know where Baghdad is? It is not in Iran if you did not know


Oh I see. So if POTUS gets assassinated while he's visiting, say, Canada, then CANADA was the real target?

No. The US did an assassination strike on Soleimani in Baghdad. You may recall, the Iraqi government was furious that we bombed their soil to do an assassination strike, and it led to the Iraqi parliament vote calling for the expulsion of US troops from Iraq.

The strike was also not technically an attack on Iran, which is what we are currently doing (bombing their nation and blockading the Strait). However, the strike was highly provocative at the time and was another rung on the escalation ladder at the time. I believe Iran did a one off retaliatory strike on US bases. They had to respond because that's how these things go. The strike was telegraphed before hand, to avoid further escalation. This is because Iran did not (and does not) want war with the US.
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Right, they just wanted to keep indiscriminately killing American's without retaliation.

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Are you saying you don't also change "Death to Tsips" when all you really want is for them to leave you tailgate because burnt orange disgusts you?

And then when they take your wife hostage and put you children in an oven, you should totally trust them when they say they are loading and readying their weapons and taking a few proactive shots at you as a sign of peace.

Cause that is the logic these Iran apologists are using.
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The propaganda from the fellow travelers...

Quote:

Cash bribes, threats from Musk, Trump behind aid to Israel votes

https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/cash-bribes-threats-from-musk-trump-behind-aid-to-israel-votes/
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In an April 4 speech, Sanders again made the case for the aid cutoffs, noting Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu broke a cease-fire negotiated with Hamas, the group whose Oct. 7, 2023, attacks in southern Israel were followed by the ensuing war and genocidal campaign by Israel against the Palestinian people.

The labor movement in the U.S. favors a negotiated cease-fire and settlement talks between Israel and the Palestinians. But younger unionists, notably among the Auto Workers, increasingly demand a complete U.S. aid cutoff and an end to ties between U.S. universities and Israel.

While Israel "has the right to defend itself," Netanyahu's "racist, extremist" retaliation far exceeds norms and U.S. law, Sanders said. The law bans use of U.S. military aid for offensive war against civilians, including women and children. He reported civilians are 60% of the dead in Gaza.

The U.S.-provided bombs, munitions and technological support has also made Gaza "a wasteland for human life," Sanders declared. Without an aid cutoff, "The U.S. is complicit" in Netanyahu's carnage.

The one factor the senator left out of his equation is the U.S. military-industrial-complex. Most military aid the U.S. has sent to Israel, including the latest installment Trump seeks, actually is turned around and spent on U.S.-made bombs, planes, drones, arms, technical support and ammo. That money enhances the profits of U.S. aircraft and munitions manufacturers.



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MarvZindler said:

Per Mark Levin, Trump is "the first Jewish POTUS". Per Trump himself, he wants to "make Israel stronger and bigger". So Trump bombing Iran was clearly a selfless act of bravery. It wasn't about him personally trying to gain something. It was Trump coming thru for his people. He is putting others before himself.

Motto of Iran: "Death to America"

But Trump obviously only did this for BiBi and the Jews.

Makes absolute sense. Sorry I was here believing Trump was trying to prevent my grandchildren from being vaporized by the Ayatollah(s).
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Macron can't even protect himself from his transexual wife beating him up. Yet, he thinks he and France can protect Europe from the Soviets. It is laughable, yet infuriating, the little backstabbing frogs and krouts. F them!!
It is no big deal, Europe. After the Russians invade your country and slaps you around, your country can also wear cool shades like that weasel Macron.

Here he is a Davos on the world stage hiding the shinner his beastly wife gave him. I think Candice Owens is nuts, but I think she is right over target that his wife was a man.
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSvjG5CPy8NQgBOTv5_OJfW6waiHF3nagvdnw&s
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He's the leader of France. They are known for having two positions, head up ass, or bent over with hind cheeks spread.

Been that way since before Napoleon.
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