Interesting graphic on inflation, what has gone up the most?

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TexAgs91
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Dirty_Mike&the_boys said:

Check the sources of this garbage..... CNBC and Politico? Seriously?

It's a purposely skewed chart when they take the starting point from where Trump had inflation at an all time low, and Biden sent it to a historical high and fail to notate the recover from Biden's high and try to lay this at the feet of Trump. OP claiming tariffs is BS times ten.

Oh. We're supposed to get from this that Trump did it?
Obviously there was a Biden term in there that we all remember.
No, I don't care what CNN or Miss NOW said this time
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And certainly Biden administration deserves a lot of this blame

Wow
kb2001
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Car insurance has increased because car prices and repairs have increased.

Car prices have increased for a few reasons. The shortage of chips during COVID putting a block on new cars being made led to an increase in the price for used cars, which didn't really go back down. The heavy addition of more computer components, sensors, and other frills on new cars drove the price up. The expansion of EVs drove new car prices up.

The addition of all these extra computer components, sensors, and other frills drove repair costs up as well. The example somebody posted above of the $40 tail light assembly now costing a few thousand is just one example of this nonsense. It gets even worse for some vehicles, if there's a problem with a tail light on a Ford, this also breaks the sensor system, and puts the vehicle in limp mode. For other repairs, if the front grill has to come off, it now requires re-calibration once it's back together, which costs a lot. On Kia and Hyundai, even changing the brake pads now requires a re-calibration of the parking brake, which is added expense. As cars have turned into computers, all of these previously basic repairs now require re-calibration. This requires shops to buy the expensive specialized tools, which means to process isn't cheap.

Additionally, EV repairs cost a fortune for similar reasons, more of a computer that requires extra calibration, that requires specialized tools, and tat drives the costs up.

Cars moving to smaller engines with a turbo adds complexity and additional maintenance costs as well.
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Texaspainter said:

txyaloo said:

Waffledynamics said:

Someone help me understand the inverse relationship between my car's depreciating value and my insurance rates.

Insurance in general simply doesn't make a lot of good sense sometimes.

Cars aren't made to be repaired anymore. Your $40 tail light assembly now costs $3000 because it's LED and contains blindspot sensors. As cars age, suppliers stop producing repair parts, and the risk of the car being totaled from a fender bender goes up. Rates go up to cover the risk.

It's a racket all around.

I can vouch for this. Recently had the outer plastic cover over my front headlight broken by road debris. Lighting itself was fine, just shattered the plastic lens. Ford F-150 with adaptive headlights. cost me $2,200 to replace and that was paying cash. Didn't get insurance involved because of deductible and I don't want them cancelling me for actually using my insurance. Bummer.


I ran into an $1,800 purchase price for an OEM headlight...nothing special about them, aside from some LED running light strips.

Fortunately an aftermarket part was an option. It's identical, cost $360, and when lit shows an almost imperceptible difference in the light color being cast from it.

I don't understand the insane sales prices for some items anymore.
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hunter2012 said:

Let's see which markets are most regulated and/or have the most tax payer dollars percentage per industry. I'd bet it would be ascending like the graph is below.



As Thomas Sowell says, "There are no solutions, only tradeoffs". Should we we want to be cradled by our government, thereby decreasing the quality, quantity, and affordability over anything we want in our lives or should we want freedom and the uncertainty that comes with it? I hope most of the adults here would pick the later especially if deregulating lowers the cost to the consumer.

Pretty amazing how much better a television is today vs TV's from 1998 and yet the cost is SO much less.
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A. G. Pennypacker said:

hunter2012 said:

Let's see which markets are most regulated and/or have the most tax payer dollars percentage per industry. I'd bet it would be ascending like the graph is below.



As Thomas Sowell says, "There are no solutions, only tradeoffs". Should we we want to be cradled by our government, thereby decreasing the quality, quantity, and affordability over anything we want in our lives or should we want freedom and the uncertainty that comes with it? I hope most of the adults here would pick the later especially if deregulating lowers the cost to the consumer.

Pretty amazing how much better a television is today vs TV's from 1998 and yet the cost is SO much less.

The smart tvs record and sell all your personal data. That's the tradeoff
bobbranco
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Answer is in the graph.

Car insurance.
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shiftyandquick said:

What a toll on the American people, this inflation. And certainly Biden administration deserves a lot of this blame. In my opinion the tariffs and disruptions in trade are not helping.





So 6 months worth of Tariffs affected each items in that! You are like elastic man of the fantastic 4 with that reach.
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oklaunion said:

They skipped homeowners' insurance.

It wouldn't fit on the chart
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BusterAg said:


3) The increased cost of repairs due to inflation of skilled labor, primarily due to system-wide inflation, and increased cost of replacement parts, due in part to inflation, and due in part to tariffs that make cheaper replacement parts more expensive.
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You missed one of the biggest problems with cost to repair. Government mandated features on cars add a significant cost and make the repair process even more cost prohibitive.
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captkirk said:


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And certainly Biden administration deserves a lot of this blame

Wow

Hating Trump does not exclude hating Biden as well.
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turfman80 said:

Gee….I wonder why car insurance has gone up so much?

Price of new cars have gone up and therefore the cost of of the insurance company replacing it if it is totaled.
Tony Franklins Other Shoe
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Shanked another one.

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The one with the biggest impact is homeowners' insurance. We went from $800/year to $3,000/year from May 2020 to today. We're up to a 2% deductible and we haven't increased home value. Our FMV payout is still the same. We priced out basically catastrophic plans only with something like a $10,000 deductible but it only saved us about $150/year. I don't know what we can do other than pay it. We shop around every year but can't bring it down any.
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I think EVs are a huge factor in car insurance costs. EVs have fewer issues but are very expensive to repair. Our Tesla insurance is the same as our other three cars combined.

I don't understand why car repair costs have gone up so much. Weather stripping on our Explorer windshield was old and weathered and causing noise, I was quoted 1200$ to replace the entire assembly. The part was 120. In the end bought 15$ weather stripping. Could have bought duct tape too. Idiots.
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I can vouch for the car insurance part. ****ing brutal.
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I've maintained for a long time that one goal of the evil globohomo elite is to price the middle class out of vehicle ownership.

Vehicular mobility is a major enabler of freedom. The ability to be mobile is literally freedom.

Case in point: Private plane ownership used to be way more common.

One day a young child will grow up with memories of an elderly neighbor or relative having an old automobile in the garage and tries to imagine a world where regular people all have cars and trucks.
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V easy to go pull the data.

Nearly all inflation occurred 2021 and 2022 due to the total ****ing everyone gave us over the Covid farce, Trump included.
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hunter2012 said:

Let's see which markets are most regulated and/or have the most tax payer dollars percentage per industry. I'd bet it would be ascending like the graph is below.



As Thomas Sowell says, "There are no solutions, only tradeoffs". Should we we want to be cradled by our government, thereby decreasing the quality, quantity, and affordability over anything we want in our lives or should we want freedom and the uncertainty that comes with it? I hope most of the adults here would pick the later especially if deregulating lowers the cost to the consumer.


Interesting that all of the more expensive stuff is government subsidized. The cheaper stuff is not.
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bmks270 said:


Interesting that all of the more expensive stuff is government subsidized. The cheaper stuff is not.


Shocking. Somehow, we still have people who think government can make things more affordable.

Track the cost of college with the creation and expansion of the guaranteed student loan program. My total tuition and fees paid to A&M for a BBA ('86) and tu for a JD ('91) wouldn't pay for one semester now.
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OP looks like a graph of things with price inelasticity more than any bottom-up explanation of pricing.
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Land, the answer is land.
Greener Acres
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The big elephant that gets overlooked is health care costs. Both your insurance premiums and the actual cost of services. Since most employers subsidize a large portion of this for employees, and it comes directly out of a paycheck, employees vastly underestimate the value/cost of this service.

However, almost daily, there are stories about the increase in costs and toll it takes on businesses that have to balance employee benefits/compensation, with the increased costs. I see it daily so it doesn't seem like an unknown bubble, but I'm surprised by how few people understand this.

If you can, find your employee contribution each year for premiums and see what they've done the past few years. If they've stayed flat, its because your employer is eating that increase. My bet is that it comes at the cost of reduced salary increases, lower 401(k) contributions, and other cuts to offset.
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Greener Acres said:

The big elephant that gets overlooked is health care costs. Both your insurance premiums and the actual cost of services. Since most employers subsidize a large portion of this for employees, and it comes directly out of a paycheck, employees vastly underestimate the value/cost of this service.

However, almost daily, there are stories about the increase in costs and toll it takes on businesses that have to balance employee benefits/compensation, with the increased costs. I see it daily so it doesn't seem like an unknown bubble, but I'm surprised by how few people understand this.

If you can, find your employee contribution each year for premiums and see what they've done the past few years. If they've stayed flat, its because your employer is eating that increase. My bet is that it comes at the cost of reduced salary increases, lower 401(k) contributions, and other cuts to offset.

Thought bringing in / outsoucing to a massive amount of Indians was supposed to be a real cost saver for healthcare. WTH happened?
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txyaloo said:

Waffledynamics said:

Someone help me understand the inverse relationship between my car's depreciating value and my insurance rates.

Insurance in general simply doesn't make a lot of good sense sometimes.

Cars aren't made to be repaired anymore. Your $40 tail light assembly now costs $3000 because it's LED and contains blindspot sensors. As cars age, suppliers stop producing repair parts, and the risk of the car being totaled from a fender bender goes up. Rates go up to cover the risk.

It's a racket all around.

My brother is getting his radiator hose replaced today. It's a $38 dollar part and the dealership is charging $500 to swap it out. It's under warranty so he's letting them do it, but good god that's absurd. That's probably a 5-minute job.
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YouBet said:

txyaloo said:

Waffledynamics said:

Someone help me understand the inverse relationship between my car's depreciating value and my insurance rates.

Insurance in general simply doesn't make a lot of good sense sometimes.

Cars aren't made to be repaired anymore. Your $40 tail light assembly now costs $3000 because it's LED and contains blindspot sensors. As cars age, suppliers stop producing repair parts, and the risk of the car being totaled from a fender bender goes up. Rates go up to cover the risk.

It's a racket all around.

My brother is getting his radiator hose replaced today. It's a $38 dollar part and the dealership is charging $500 to swap it out. It's under warranty so he's letting them do it, but good god that's absurd. That's probably a 5-minute job.

Upper hose or lower hose?
Ulysses90
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txyaloo said:

Waffledynamics said:

Someone help me understand the inverse relationship between my car's depreciating value and my insurance rates.

Insurance in general simply doesn't make a lot of good sense sometimes.

Cars aren't made to be repaired anymore. Your $40 tail light assembly now costs $3000 because it's LED and contains blindspot sensors. As cars age, suppliers stop producing repair parts, and the risk of the car being totaled from a fender bender goes up. Rates go up to cover the risk.

It's a racket all around.


This is a long aside on the cost of owning an automobile that is not caused by inflation.

The complexity of just about every brand of vehicle has driven up prices because of the sensors and software intensive systems. On the other hand, there are other trends in car design that are driving up the cost of ownership.

Most car brands other than Japanese brands have deliberately made it almost impossible for anyone but their dealerships to repair automobiles by using proprietary software and physical bus configurations. The CAN bus achieves a basic standard interface but they manufacturers move as much as possible to proprietary systems and tools that are only available to dealerships.

German brands have also deaigned their cars so that very routine maintenance requires hours of labor. It's a deliberate middle finger to their customers to remind them that their car is not a purchased product but a subscription service. For example, certain BMW models require removing the exhaust manifold to change the oil filter.

With the exception of a few Japanese brands, most cars are designed so that low cost components and filters require significant labor hours to replace even if the price of the components are not that expensive. Labor hours are almost pure profit for the dealership.

The third reason that's already been mentioned is drivetrain and suspension components that are made of cheap materials and designed without enough reserve strength to handle normal stree over long periods of time or brief periods of high stress. They use plastic for parts that should be made of at least aluminum if not steel because of sustained load an exposure to heating cycles.

German car makers have turned the unrebuildable engine into an art form by making aluminum blocks with a thin coating on the cylinder walls rather than using iron or steel sleeves. They almost ensure that the engines will fail before 200k miles by recommending 10-20,000 mile oil change intervals where even the best oils will polymerize and lose their protective value.

The number of car brands that I would consider buying either new or used is just Toyota, Honda, Subaru, and Mazda. That's in part because I usually buy used cars and try to do routine maintenance myself.

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I have the same list, but would avoid buying a CVT regardless (add Infiniti/Nissan to a limited degree).
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I usually get a hamburger, onion rings, and medium soft drink at the local drugstore. On Mondays and Thursdays, they are the daily special for $12 or so. Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Fridays, they have been about $15. They are also a good bit smaller now than they were last year.

When I went in on Wednesday, my usual hamburger, onion rings, and soft drink were $18. So that's a 20% increase just in the last month.

I guess that I will only be going in there on Mondays or Thursdays.
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bobbranco said:

YouBet said:

txyaloo said:

Waffledynamics said:

Someone help me understand the inverse relationship between my car's depreciating value and my insurance rates.

Insurance in general simply doesn't make a lot of good sense sometimes.

Cars aren't made to be repaired anymore. Your $40 tail light assembly now costs $3000 because it's LED and contains blindspot sensors. As cars age, suppliers stop producing repair parts, and the risk of the car being totaled from a fender bender goes up. Rates go up to cover the risk.

It's a racket all around.

My brother is getting his radiator hose replaced today. It's a $38 dollar part and the dealership is charging $500 to swap it out. It's under warranty so he's letting them do it, but good god that's absurd. That's probably a 5-minute job.

Upper hose or lower hose?


Don't know.
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YouBet said:

bobbranco said:

YouBet said:

txyaloo said:

Waffledynamics said:

Someone help me understand the inverse relationship between my car's depreciating value and my insurance rates.

Insurance in general simply doesn't make a lot of good sense sometimes.

Cars aren't made to be repaired anymore. Your $40 tail light assembly now costs $3000 because it's LED and contains blindspot sensors. As cars age, suppliers stop producing repair parts, and the risk of the car being totaled from a fender bender goes up. Rates go up to cover the risk.

It's a racket all around.

My brother is getting his radiator hose replaced today. It's a $38 dollar part and the dealership is charging $500 to swap it out. It's under warranty so he's letting them do it, but good god that's absurd. That's probably a 5-minute job.

Upper hose or lower hose?


Don't know.

Lower hose likely requires draining the radiator.
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Case in point: my battery is in the side wall of my trunk behind the trunk lining. WTF. I wouldn't even attempt to try and repair anything on my car and I used to at least change out fluids on my 1977 El Camino back in the day.
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bobbranco said:

YouBet said:

bobbranco said:

YouBet said:

txyaloo said:

Waffledynamics said:

Someone help me understand the inverse relationship between my car's depreciating value and my insurance rates.

Insurance in general simply doesn't make a lot of good sense sometimes.

Cars aren't made to be repaired anymore. Your $40 tail light assembly now costs $3000 because it's LED and contains blindspot sensors. As cars age, suppliers stop producing repair parts, and the risk of the car being totaled from a fender bender goes up. Rates go up to cover the risk.

It's a racket all around.

My brother is getting his radiator hose replaced today. It's a $38 dollar part and the dealership is charging $500 to swap it out. It's under warranty so he's letting them do it, but good god that's absurd. That's probably a 5-minute job.

Upper hose or lower hose?


Don't know.

Lower hose likely requires draining the radiator.



I think it was upper which is why he was so blown away by it.
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Well, Trump has fixed car insurance inflation

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the biggest jump has been in the cost of insurance, up 60% during the last five years, to an average monthly premium of about $213. A bill that was once an afterthought now totals nearly $3,000 per year, and a lot more for some vehicles and drivers.

Relief is on the horizon. In April 2024, the annual rate of car insurance inflation peaked at 23%. It's now at a much tamer 5.3%, and the lower annual price hikes are likely to stick.

Seems hammering the cartels and trying to stop actual crime may have actually slowed car theft so that insurance companies don't have to jack up rates 20% every year.
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My insurance broker told me back in November that auto renewal rates were actually dropping and it was the first time in his career he had ever seen that. I immediatley chalked it up to illegals being deported.

I then get advanced notice from Progressive that they've lowered our rates for coming year. I was shocked. Then I got my actual renewal again telling me in bold, large text that our rates had decreased!! They went up $200 over last year. So, Progressive just flat out lied to us. I guess they are banking on most people not comparing to their previous year bill to confirm.
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