Is Greenland next?

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No Spin Ag
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74OA said:



Okay, now that is funny.
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MaxPower
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The major parties there all issued a statement saying they didn't want to be either Danish nor American.

I think the simple truth is they want independence, and then will entertain offers to be 'bought off' functionally to let us base our missile defenses/mining operations to enrich them. The question is whether the imperialist/aristocratic Danish ruling class will permit independence.

The Europeans just don't have a clue how to handle Trump.
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Europe's leadership, always stuck in the second half of the 20th century, seems perplexed with Trump's dogged determination to bring the island of Greenland under American control. Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen said it made "absolutely no sense to talk about the need for the United States to take over Greenland," given America's relationship with Denmark which, in her telling, "gives the United States wide access to Greenland." Similar statements were released by even close Trump allies, such as Italy's Giorgia Meloni, who signed onto a statement highlighting that the United States already has a "defence agreement" with Denmark, and by extension, with Greenland.

Underneath this all is a sense of genuine confusion, centred around two questions: 1) Why? and 2) How?


I think their collective angst and befuddlement are hilarious.
Agree with the author, though he didn't hit on the more imminent issue. If China or Russia role up into Greenland and setup a base of operations, who is going to be asked to kick them out? Is Denmark going to do it? Hell will the entire EU? No, it will be "NATO", which is code word for the U.S. does it for the Euro tittysuckers while they fixate on Ukraine.

Now, how likely is Russia or China to do that? Probably low….but increasing. Melting of the ice caps is making parts of the arctic much more accessible and activity by Russia and China in the area has been much more significant. The war in Ukraine probably helps reduce Russia's capabilities for now, but as the author notes we are looking for a longer term strategic vision.
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Yes, and the issue is what comes after Putin some day, it could be one of the louder pro-war voices in the Russian body of politicos such as it is. The Russians still station the majority of their ICBM arsenal (and much of their nuclear subs etc.) on the Kola peninsula such that any attack on the US would hit it's apogee right over Greenland, which is where we need a bunch of ABM resources/weapons.


We can't trust the Danes to negotiate to let us station what we need to put there. Their 'how dare you' belligerence toward the US when we act in our own self-interest is clear. On a similarly lighthearted note with the above meme about renaming Greenland (which doesn't make any sense to me as Trump has talked about Epstein plenty and signed the bill, but whatever), this made me laugh this am (caution, NSFW language/profanity):
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The US, Russia, Japan, and China are eventually going to have a big fight over northern pacific and arctic fisheries when China picks every other region clean.
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There's no sum of money from Donald Trump that would persuade Greenlanders to join the US, two Greenlandic lawmakers in the Danish parliament said.


Getting these vibes:


But seriously, we offer them same deal we give to the Marshall Islands: a 20 year renewable compact of free association. They govern themselves and their citizens get entry and work rights to the US, we give them financial aid (ie we continue to pay for their "non capitalist" life styles of living off the government and more importantly we are responsible for all defense and get access for defense installations. IOW it's just the cost of expanding the Empire. Putting 50k people on the dole sucks but in the big picture getting a giant unsinkable air craft carrier in exchange that literally can block air and sea attacks from China and Russia is a bargain
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Maroon Dawn said:

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There's no sum of money from Donald Trump that would persuade Greenlanders to join the US, two Greenlandic lawmakers in the Danish parliament said.


Getting these vibes:






The Greenlanders aren't interested and it's Danish territory.

So either you back down, someone agrees to join, or you invade.

One of those ideas is dumb.
Ellis Wyatt
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74OA said:


The left can't meme. That's stupid.
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K2-HMFIC said:

Maroon Dawn said:

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There's no sum of money from Donald Trump that would persuade Greenlanders to join the US, two Greenlandic lawmakers in the Danish parliament said.


Getting these vibes:






The Greenlanders aren't interested and it's Danish territory.

So either you back down, someone agrees to join, or you invade.

One of those ideas is dumb.


The idea that there's no amount the average greenlander won't take is the dumb idea. It's the handful of politicians there worried about losing their cushy jobs that are declaring "there's no price we'll entertain"

The second we buy the loyalty of these politicians and ensure them they won't have to get real jobs in the new US government apparatus then their tune will change
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74OA
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No Spin Ag said:

74OA said:



Okay, now that is funny.

Yeah, I think it is smile worthy. Apparently, some here disagree......
No Spin Ag
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74OA said:

No Spin Ag said:

74OA said:



Okay, now that is funny.

I think it is smile worthy. Apparently, some here disagree......


Maybe the maga is "ultra" strong with them?
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This shows the military differences between Denmark & USA.




Also remember this fact:

The Royal Danish Navy deployed the frigate HDMS Iver Huitfeldt (F361) to join the U.S.-led Operation Prosperity Guardian in early 2024. The ship departed Denmark on January 29, 2024, transited to the region after parliamentary approval in February, and operated in the Red Sea and Gulf of Aden until its early return in April 2024 (shortened due to technical issues with its air defense systems during a drone engagement on March 9, 2024).
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Martin Q. Blank said:

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There's no sum of money from Donald Trump that would persuade Greenlanders to join the US, two Greenlandic lawmakers in the Danish parliament said.




57,000 pallets of cash will change their tune
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What is funny is the Danes are the some of the original Vikings, this is how they acquired and spread their culture. Pull up with a huge force, demand what they wanted and if it wasn't given to them they took everything. They should understand how this works.
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aggrad02 said:

What is funny is the Danes are the some of the original Vikings, this is how they acquired and spread their culture. Pull up with a huge force, demand what they wanted and if it wasn't given to them they took everything. They should understand how this works.

Frankly, I would be more concerned if Finland had a territorial interest in Greenland. Small military compared to us but they are tenacious fighters. Even held their own against Soviets back in WWII.
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Maybe 70 years ago. Leftism has destroyed any manhood that ever existed in Europe
They paid for their wars with your tax dollars and also with your untaxed dollars. Inflation is theft.
Ellis Wyatt
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They willingly wear capri pants.
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I wonder what it would be like to live in Greenland. Lots of hunting and fishing I bet. Even the capital, Nuuk, is only about 20,000 people. Everyone probably knows everyone there. They actually have a big music scene there too.
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Narrator: "Watch as self described fiscal hawks revel about sending pallets of cash to Greenland and deepening the nations debt."
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Green2Maroon said:

I wonder what it would be like to live in Greenland. Lots of hunting and fishing I bet. Even the capital, Nuuk, is only about 20,000 people. Everyone probably knows everyone there. They actually have a big music scene there too.


It would suck.

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The warm season lasts for 3.0 months, from June 9 to September 11, with an average daily high temperature above 43F. The hottest month of the year in Nuuk is July, with an average high of 49F and low of 42F.

The cold season lasts for 3.7 months, from December 4 to March 27, with an average daily high temperature below 25F. The coldest month of the year in Nuuk is February, with an average low of 12F and high of 19F.
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I know it's cold there. That part would suck.
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Green2Maroon
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I hope the senior officers push back really hard on this. It's not an Iraq or Afghanistan type of operation here. There is no legal basis for it.
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Is this when he grabbed the steering wheel in the limo??
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Green2Maroon said:

I hope the senior officers push back really hard on this. It's not an Iraq or Afghanistan type of operation here. There is no legal basis for it.


Was there a legal basis when the Danes took it?
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Green2Maroon said:

I wonder what it would be like to live in Greenland. Lots of hunting and fishing I bet. Even the capital, Nuuk, is only about 20,000 people. Everyone probably knows everyone there. They actually have a big music scene there too.

Bet they don't have a lot of outdoor music festivals, though
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Martin Q. Blank said:

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There's no sum of money from Donald Trump that would persuade Greenlanders to join the US, two Greenlandic lawmakers in the Danish parliament said.



Yeah, I think there is and we'll find it.

Extra zeroes have a way of making people rethink their position.

If not, I say F it. History and land belongs to the strong. Just the way it is. Always has been, always will be.

We are the strong. Offer them so much money they go blind reading the number. If they are too stupid to take it, take the place by force.

Sooner or later they will figure out that we are going to get it anyway, and they might as well get paid a king's ransom instead of getting nothing out of the deal.
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Honestly, the Daily Mail is probably running Labor fan fiction on the orders. The government in Brittain is hugely unpopular and I'm sure they see this as a wedge issue to use against Reform. Would it surprise me if Trump asked if we had plans? Maybe not. But I'd be surprised if we didn't have plans. We already have a base on the island and it's a strategic point.

But all of this seems to be a major distraction. Labor knows it needs to create a boogeyman to keep out Reform. And they need to silence their opposition which is why they're trying to shut down X in the UK and Canada.
nortex97
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Yeah I really don't know what the threat of force is all about, but if it helps end NATO (or at least gets us out of it) maybe that is the good outcome that he is playing toward:
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In her own statement, Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen was even more pointed, stating that a U.S. attempt to seize Greenland would destroy NATO, the 77-year-old alliance first created to counter the influence of the USSR and of which Denmark and the United States are member states.

"If the United States chooses to attack another NATO country, then everything stops … including NATO and the security it has provided since the end of World War II," Frederiksen said.

That might not be a disincentive for Trump, who has in the past hinted the U.S. might one day leave NATO. More recently, White House officials have repeatedly said that military operations are "always an option" when it comes to Greenland.

But Trump's ideas are not universally opposed.

On Thursday, Pele Broberg, the leader of a Greenland opposition party, said that Greenland should at least discuss options with the U.S. on its own. Broberg's party, Naleraq, is a strong advocate of Greenland's separation from its parent country.

"We encourage our current [Greenlandic] government to actually have a dialogue with the U.S. government without Denmark," Broberg said. "Denmark is antagonizing both Greenland and the U.S. with their mediation."

The U.S. military budget is nearly twice the combined military budget of the 27 member states of the European Union plus the U.K.

In 2024, the last year with complete data available, the U.S. spent $884 billion on its military, compared to a combined $400 billion for the 27 European Union member states and an additional $82 billion for the U.K., which is not a member of the European Union.


MaxPower
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I certainly agree with her on one thing….you withdraw from NATO before making this kind of decision. If you are at a point where you think there's a reason to invade a NATO country then you have no business being in that organization.

That is not me advocating for leaving NATO. That is me saying he needs Congress because he can't leave NATO unilaterally. That also means a military officer is highly likely to refuse the order because I can't imagine a scenario where a reasonable person concludes it is lawful.
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There's nothing unlawful, nor unconstitutional about an order to go seize Nuuk if a determination is made by the CINC that it is a threat to the US if this is not done.

I don't know the NATO bylaws/statutes/rules that would govern expulsion of a member as such, but I would expect the Eurocrats to respond with such an act of some sort (or to just dissolve the entity formally and create their own new one), and to require the US to remove US soldiers/sailors/airmen from their countries as such (which would be great). NATO should have been dissolved after the Soviet Union did, but like all government bodies it just went in search of more money/purposes.

Rutte has had time since March to get the NATO members to support Trump on this but has failed, as I'd have expected.
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What would the basis be for determining it is a threat? If Greenland is a threat then we could literally invade any country. Hell why not invade Iceland or Scotland for similar strategic reasons?
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MaxPower said:

What would the basis be for determining it is a threat? If Greenland is a threat then we could literally invade any country. Hell why not invade Iceland or Scotland for similar strategic reasons?

I think the issue is two fold which you are bringing up; (a) it's nonjusticiable as to the POTUS' use of force in foreign policy (no role for a federal court to look into his determinations), and (b) the uniformed military doesn't have it in their description to make a foreign policy determination contra the CINC's as to what is a threat.

If a President acts outside of his/her constitutional authority in foreign affairs the remedy is that he be impeached and removed from office in our system, essentially.
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The end of NATO. This may be the goal. EU riding on our coattails and not pay their fair share will end.


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This is an interesting take on the matter.

Greenland controls:
Arctic shipping lanes
U.S. missile-warning systems
Rare-earth minerals needed for AI, weapons and satellites
The northern gate of North America

Trump is telling the truth the globalists hate:
Whoever controls Greenland controls the future balance of power.

So what did Europe do?

They rushed to NATO-lock it before Washington can act.


 
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