The left freaking out about the White House renovations.

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B-1 83 said:

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Honest question, have all the other changes to the White House been voted on an approved by Congress? A quick google search says Obama didn't get approval for his basketball court. Without going down the rabbit hole of what every previous POTUS changed, is the issue magnitude of the change? And if so, where is the line?

i think its two issues. on building a new building, appears straight forward:

A building or structure shall not be erected on any reservation, park, or public grounds of the Federal Government in the District of Columbia without express authority of Congress. 40 USC 8106.

On modifications, redo, design change etc. etc., its much more vague:

There are authorized to be appropriated each fiscal year to the President such sums as may be necessary for-
(1) the care, maintenance, repair, alteration, refurnishing, improvement, air-conditioning, heating, and lighting (including electric power and fixtures) of the Executive Residence at the White House; 3 USC 105




Uh oh…….. Another swing and miss by leftists against logical renovations.
An addition is new construction and considered a new building as it is an addition. It should be approved by Congress as it is a structural change to the original design.
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Canvasback said:

Ellis Wyatt said:

Is Trump the only president who isn't allowed to renovate the White House? This is ****ing deranged.

The White House is not the property of the President. Any change should go through Congress for funding and approval. This is all a part of the frenzy Trump is in to build monuments to himself before the end of his term. How many other Presidents have built monuments to themselves while in office?

FDR built a pool in the WH. It was not authorized by Congress. It was paid for with private donations.

Nixon built the Press Briefing Room over that pool. It was not authorized by Congress.


Why doesn't the press bring that up while asking questions in that Press Briefing Room (which they MUST think is clearly unconstitutional)?

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oldyeller said:

Phatbob said:

oldyeller said:

TheEternalOptimist said:

Im Gipper said:

Biden & Obama judges team up to stop the ballroom:



The whole apparatus of the left, including the judiciary, will not let Trump have a win on even something that would beneficial to potential Democrat presidents as well.

This is all about framing. Period.


That a ballroom would be desirable or beneficial isn't the point, the point is that there are limits on Presidental power, and his acting unilaterally on this is in excess of the power of the office he holds. The office of the President is powerful, but it isn't all powerful such that a President can ignore the Constitution or laws we have established.

The Court said as much in their ruling: "Whether or not a massive ballroom should be constructed is for Congress to decide and is not a matter for Executive self-help, … This holding has nothing at all to do with whether the proposed ballroom is desirable, or not, as a matter of policy. This ruling does not even necessarily mean that the Defendants may not ultimately construct the ballroom. … What it does mean is that the Defendants may not do so during the district court's expeditious litigation without securing Congress's authorization, as the Constitution and laws require."

It is understandable that we tend to frame this in partisan ways, given the hyper-polarization of our current politics, but in matters such as this it might be helpful to answer this simple question, "how might I feel if the other party had done this?" In other words, if Obama had decided to gild darn near every surface of the "People's House" in a gaudy way, pave over the Rose Garden, replace the Tennessee flagstone that had graced the West Wing colonnade with imported black granite at taxpayer expense, mock previous President's with disparaging photos and plaques along that walkway, and knocked down the East Wing and proposed a ballroom that dwarfs the rest of the White House without even consulting Congress, how would Republicans react? If we are honest, I think the answer would be very revealing.


If you really believed this, you could pretty easily point to the applicable laws requiring Congressional approval for White House construction then, yes?


How about the Property Clause of the Constitution for starters:

Article IV, Section 3, Clause 2:

The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State.

Then there's the the Sundry Civil Appropriation Act of August 24, 1912 which states that "A building or structure shall not be erected on any reservation, park, or public grounds of the Federal Government in the District of Columbia without express authority of Congress."

The WH isn't part of the District of Columbia. It is a part of President's Park. Which is part of the National Park System, not DC.

Just like Big Bend National Park is IN Texas, it is not actually part of Texas. It is federal land, owned by the National Park System.
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After this abomination I would think the democrats would stay silent.
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"We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution."

- Abraham Lincoln
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will25u said:


If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's a duck!
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So much such subterfuge to get the monument you want to build to your self.
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Canvasback said:

So much such subterfuge to get the monument you want to build to your self.


Which monument would that be and to whom?
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1939 said:

Canvasback said:

So much such subterfuge to get the monument you want to build to your self.


Which monument would that be and to whom?

When you have TDS, everything in the world is all about Trump...
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Ag with kids said:

1939 said:

Canvasback said:

So much such subterfuge to get the monument you want to build to your self.


Which monument would that be and to whom?

When you have TDS, everything in the world is all about Trump...
Trump has been in a frenzy building and naming things as monuments to himself. Trump is the one making everything about himself!
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Canvasback said:

Ag with kids said:

1939 said:

Canvasback said:

So much such subterfuge to get the monument you want to build to your self.


Which monument would that be and to whom?

When you have TDS, everything in the world is all about Trump...

Trump has been in a frenzy building and naming things as monuments to himself. Trump is the one making everything about himself!

Has he done that with the ballroom?

Hint: We know the answer.
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Canvasback said:

Ag with kids said:

1939 said:

Canvasback said:

So much such subterfuge to get the monument you want to build to your self.


Which monument would that be and to whom?

When you have TDS, everything in the world is all about Trump...

Trump has been in a frenzy building and naming things as monuments to himself. Trump is the one making everything about himself!

This isn't a monument to Trump and you know it. It's a much needed addition to the White House complex. One that will benefit presidents of both Parties for decades to come.

If you guys had just left him alone 10 years ago and let him serve out his first term in relative peace, none of this would be happening. But you couldn't stand it, so you went in guns blazing, and in the end all it did was get him re-elected to a second term four years later than it should have been. And y'all gave him four years in between terms to figure out how he was not only going to accomplish his agenda, but to go nuclear on your side along the way. Look on the bright side. You've only got 2-1/2 more years of Trump.
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Ag87H2O said:

Canvasback said:

Ag with kids said:

1939 said:

Canvasback said:

So much such subterfuge to get the monument you want to build to your self.


Which monument would that be and to whom?

When you have TDS, everything in the world is all about Trump...

Trump has been in a frenzy building and naming things as monuments to himself. Trump is the one making everything about himself!

This isn't a monument to Trump and you know it. It's a much needed addition to the White House complex. One that will benefit presidents of both Parties for decades to come.

If you guys had just left him alone 10 years ago and let him serve out his first term in relative peace, none of this would be happening. But you couldn't stand it, so you went in guns blazing, and in the end all it did was get him re-elected to a second term four years later than it should have been. And y'all gave him four years in between terms to figure out how he was not only going to accomplish his agenda, but to go nuclear on your side along the way. Look on the bright side. You've only got 2-1/2 more years of Trump.
He had his name added to the Kennedy Center, you an count on his name appearing on the "big, beautiful ballroom, if they ever get the catastrophe of the reflecting pool straightened out, a plaque with Trump's name will probably appear, the Arch de Trump is on it's way. Probably a giant statue to the narcissist is in the works.
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So your stance is entirely based on what you think he's "probably " going to do, then? Seems legit.
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Canvasback said:

Ag87H2O said:

Canvasback said:

Ag with kids said:

1939 said:

Canvasback said:

So much such subterfuge to get the monument you want to build to your self.


Which monument would that be and to whom?

When you have TDS, everything in the world is all about Trump...

Trump has been in a frenzy building and naming things as monuments to himself. Trump is the one making everything about himself!

This isn't a monument to Trump and you know it. It's a much needed addition to the White House complex. One that will benefit presidents of both Parties for decades to come.

If you guys had just left him alone 10 years ago and let him serve out his first term in relative peace, none of this would be happening. But you couldn't stand it, so you went in guns blazing, and in the end all it did was get him re-elected to a second term four years later than it should have been. And y'all gave him four years in between terms to figure out how he was not only going to accomplish his agenda, but to go nuclear on your side along the way. Look on the bright side. You've only got 2-1/2 more years of Trump.

He had his name added to the Kennedy Center, you an count on his name appearing on the "big, beautiful ballroom, if they ever get the catastrophe of the reflecting pool straightened out, a plaque with Trump's name will probably appear, the Arch de Trump is on it's way. Probably a giant statue to the narcissist is in the works.

Again, none of this would be happening if you had just accepted 2016 and moved on. You mess with a guy like Trump, particulary trying to destroy him politically, financially, and personally, he's going to mess with you 10x worse if he gets the chance. The left is reaping exactly what they sowed.
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Ag87H2O said:

Canvasback said:

Ag87H2O said:

Canvasback said:

Ag with kids said:

1939 said:

Canvasback said:

So much such subterfuge to get the monument you want to build to your self.


Which monument would that be and to whom?

When you have TDS, everything in the world is all about Trump...

Trump has been in a frenzy building and naming things as monuments to himself. Trump is the one making everything about himself!

This isn't a monument to Trump and you know it. It's a much needed addition to the White House complex. One that will benefit presidents of both Parties for decades to come.

If you guys had just left him alone 10 years ago and let him serve out his first term in relative peace, none of this would be happening. But you couldn't stand it, so you went in guns blazing, and in the end all it did was get him re-elected to a second term four years later than it should have been. And y'all gave him four years in between terms to figure out how he was not only going to accomplish his agenda, but to go nuclear on your side along the way. Look on the bright side. You've only got 2-1/2 more years of Trump.

He had his name added to the Kennedy Center, you an count on his name appearing on the "big, beautiful ballroom, if they ever get the catastrophe of the reflecting pool straightened out, a plaque with Trump's name will probably appear, the Arch de Trump is on it's way. Probably a giant statue to the narcissist is in the works.

Again, none of this would be happening if you had just accepted 2016 and moved on. You mess with a guy like Trump, particulary trying to destroy him politically, financially, and personally, he's going to mess with you 10x worse if he gets the chance. The left is reaping exactly what they sowed.
I did accept that Trump lost by 7 million votes.
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will25u said:




The left cannot kill the Spirit of Charlie Kirk.
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Canvasback said:

Ag87H2O said:

Canvasback said:

Ag87H2O said:

Canvasback said:

Ag with kids said:

1939 said:

Canvasback said:

So much such subterfuge to get the monument you want to build to your self.


Which monument would that be and to whom?

When you have TDS, everything in the world is all about Trump...

Trump has been in a frenzy building and naming things as monuments to himself. Trump is the one making everything about himself!

This isn't a monument to Trump and you know it. It's a much needed addition to the White House complex. One that will benefit presidents of both Parties for decades to come.

If you guys had just left him alone 10 years ago and let him serve out his first term in relative peace, none of this would be happening. But you couldn't stand it, so you went in guns blazing, and in the end all it did was get him re-elected to a second term four years later than it should have been. And y'all gave him four years in between terms to figure out how he was not only going to accomplish his agenda, but to go nuclear on your side along the way. Look on the bright side. You've only got 2-1/2 more years of Trump.

He had his name added to the Kennedy Center, you an count on his name appearing on the "big, beautiful ballroom, if they ever get the catastrophe of the reflecting pool straightened out, a plaque with Trump's name will probably appear, the Arch de Trump is on it's way. Probably a giant statue to the narcissist is in the works.

Again, none of this would be happening if you had just accepted 2016 and moved on. You mess with a guy like Trump, particulary trying to destroy him politically, financially, and personally, he's going to mess with you 10x worse if he gets the chance. The left is reaping exactly what they sowed.
I did accept that Trump lost by 7 million votes.

Fraudulent votes.

In 24 he won the popular vote as well as the Electoral College.
The left cannot kill the Spirit of Charlie Kirk.
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techno-ag said:

Canvasback said:

Ag87H2O said:

Canvasback said:

Ag87H2O said:

Canvasback said:

Ag with kids said:

1939 said:

Canvasback said:

So much such subterfuge to get the monument you want to build to your self.


Which monument would that be and to whom?

When you have TDS, everything in the world is all about Trump...

Trump has been in a frenzy building and naming things as monuments to himself. Trump is the one making everything about himself!

This isn't a monument to Trump and you know it. It's a much needed addition to the White House complex. One that will benefit presidents of both Parties for decades to come.

If you guys had just left him alone 10 years ago and let him serve out his first term in relative peace, none of this would be happening. But you couldn't stand it, so you went in guns blazing, and in the end all it did was get him re-elected to a second term four years later than it should have been. And y'all gave him four years in between terms to figure out how he was not only going to accomplish his agenda, but to go nuclear on your side along the way. Look on the bright side. You've only got 2-1/2 more years of Trump.

He had his name added to the Kennedy Center, you an count on his name appearing on the "big, beautiful ballroom, if they ever get the catastrophe of the reflecting pool straightened out, a plaque with Trump's name will probably appear, the Arch de Trump is on it's way. Probably a giant statue to the narcissist is in the works.

Again, none of this would be happening if you had just accepted 2016 and moved on. You mess with a guy like Trump, particulary trying to destroy him politically, financially, and personally, he's going to mess with you 10x worse if he gets the chance. The left is reaping exactly what they sowed.
I did accept that Trump lost by 7 million votes.

Fraudulent votes.

In 24 he won the popular vote as well as the Electoral College.
yes he did.
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Phatbob said:

So your stance is entirely based on what you think he's "probably " going to do, then? Seems legit.

He's "probably" still planning on putting some flightless bird and their kids in a concentration camp, too...
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Phatbob said:

So your stance is entirely based on what you think he's "probably " going to do, then? Seems legit.


He ruins pretty much everything he touches so why are they even worried about his name on the ballroom?
“…What?”

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Canvasback said:

So much such subterfuge to get the monument you want to build to your self.

Don't worry, there will be other men or women named Trump as Presidents in the Future.

Wouldn't it be great for Hillary to see a Trump as the first woman President?
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The WH isn't part of the District of Columbia. It is a part of President's Park. Which is part of the National Park System, not DC.


Interesting theory, but incorrect.

It was undisputed that the defendants were building a building in DC
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1939 said:

Canvasback said:

So much such subterfuge to get the monument you want to build to your self.


Which monument would that be and to whom?

Defend that goal
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Ag87H2O said:

Canvasback said:

Ag87H2O said:

Canvasback said:

Ag with kids said:

1939 said:

Canvasback said:

So much such subterfuge to get the monument you want to build to your self.


Which monument would that be and to whom?

When you have TDS, everything in the world is all about Trump...

Trump has been in a frenzy building and naming things as monuments to himself. Trump is the one making everything about himself!

This isn't a monument to Trump and you know it. It's a much needed addition to the White House complex. One that will benefit presidents of both Parties for decades to come.

If you guys had just left him alone 10 years ago and let him serve out his first term in relative peace, none of this would be happening. But you couldn't stand it, so you went in guns blazing, and in the end all it did was get him re-elected to a second term four years later than it should have been. And y'all gave him four years in between terms to figure out how he was not only going to accomplish his agenda, but to go nuclear on your side along the way. Look on the bright side. You've only got 2-1/2 more years of Trump.

He had his name added to the Kennedy Center, you an count on his name appearing on the "big, beautiful ballroom, if they ever get the catastrophe of the reflecting pool straightened out, a plaque with Trump's name will probably appear, the Arch de Trump is on it's way. Probably a giant statue to the narcissist is in the works.

Again, none of this would be happening if you had just accepted 2016 and moved on. You mess with a guy like Trump, particulary trying to destroy him politically, financially, and personally, he's going to mess with you 10x worse if he gets the chance. The left is reaping exactly what they sowed.

It took us a while to get here, but we got the authoritarian we wanted. Just be glad he's not a lib.
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Canvasback said:

Ag87H2O said:

Canvasback said:

Ag87H2O said:

Canvasback said:

Ag with kids said:

1939 said:

Canvasback said:

So much such subterfuge to get the monument you want to build to your self.


Which monument would that be and to whom?

When you have TDS, everything in the world is all about Trump...

Trump has been in a frenzy building and naming things as monuments to himself. Trump is the one making everything about himself!

This isn't a monument to Trump and you know it. It's a much needed addition to the White House complex. One that will benefit presidents of both Parties for decades to come.

If you guys had just left him alone 10 years ago and let him serve out his first term in relative peace, none of this would be happening. But you couldn't stand it, so you went in guns blazing, and in the end all it did was get him re-elected to a second term four years later than it should have been. And y'all gave him four years in between terms to figure out how he was not only going to accomplish his agenda, but to go nuclear on your side along the way. Look on the bright side. You've only got 2-1/2 more years of Trump.

He had his name added to the Kennedy Center, you an count on his name appearing on the "big, beautiful ballroom, if they ever get the catastrophe of the reflecting pool straightened out, a plaque with Trump's name will probably appear, the Arch de Trump is on it's way. Probably a giant statue to the narcissist is in the works.

Again, none of this would be happening if you had just accepted 2016 and moved on. You mess with a guy like Trump, particulary trying to destroy him politically, financially, and personally, he's going to mess with you 10x worse if he gets the chance. The left is reaping exactly what they sowed.
I did accept that Trump lost by 7 million votes.


The popular vote means nothing. Why do you not respect the republic?
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txwxman said:

Ag87H2O said:

Canvasback said:

Ag87H2O said:

Canvasback said:

Ag with kids said:

1939 said:

Canvasback said:

So much such subterfuge to get the monument you want to build to your self.


Which monument would that be and to whom?

When you have TDS, everything in the world is all about Trump...

Trump has been in a frenzy building and naming things as monuments to himself. Trump is the one making everything about himself!

This isn't a monument to Trump and you know it. It's a much needed addition to the White House complex. One that will benefit presidents of both Parties for decades to come.

If you guys had just left him alone 10 years ago and let him serve out his first term in relative peace, none of this would be happening. But you couldn't stand it, so you went in guns blazing, and in the end all it did was get him re-elected to a second term four years later than it should have been. And y'all gave him four years in between terms to figure out how he was not only going to accomplish his agenda, but to go nuclear on your side along the way. Look on the bright side. You've only got 2-1/2 more years of Trump.

He had his name added to the Kennedy Center, you an count on his name appearing on the "big, beautiful ballroom, if they ever get the catastrophe of the reflecting pool straightened out, a plaque with Trump's name will probably appear, the Arch de Trump is on it's way. Probably a giant statue to the narcissist is in the works.

Again, none of this would be happening if you had just accepted 2016 and moved on. You mess with a guy like Trump, particulary trying to destroy him politically, financially, and personally, he's going to mess with you 10x worse if he gets the chance. The left is reaping exactly what they sowed.

It took us a while to get here, but we got the authoritarian we wanted. Just be glad he's not a lib.

Can we get your input on the topic of Hunters laptop and its coverup? You seem like you'd have a strong opinion on that..

Heres a link to the thread.
https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3278965/last
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Canvasback said:

So much such subterfuge to get the monument you want to build to your self.

So.Much."Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!".In.One.Sentence.

Being in TexAgs jail changes a man……..no, not really
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Can we get your input on the topic of Hunters laptop and its coverup?


'Twas ze jews
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Ag87H2O said:

If you guys had just left him alone 10 years ago and let him serve out his first term in relative peace, none of this would be happening.

BUT HE'S...

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Canvasback said:

Ag87H2O said:

Canvasback said:

Ag87H2O said:

Canvasback said:

Ag with kids said:

1939 said:

Canvasback said:

So much such subterfuge to get the monument you want to build to your self.


Which monument would that be and to whom?

When you have TDS, everything in the world is all about Trump...

Trump has been in a frenzy building and naming things as monuments to himself. Trump is the one making everything about himself!

This isn't a monument to Trump and you know it. It's a much needed addition to the White House complex. One that will benefit presidents of both Parties for decades to come.

If you guys had just left him alone 10 years ago and let him serve out his first term in relative peace, none of this would be happening. But you couldn't stand it, so you went in guns blazing, and in the end all it did was get him re-elected to a second term four years later than it should have been. And y'all gave him four years in between terms to figure out how he was not only going to accomplish his agenda, but to go nuclear on your side along the way. Look on the bright side. You've only got 2-1/2 more years of Trump.

He had his name added to the Kennedy Center, you an count on his name appearing on the "big, beautiful ballroom, if they ever get the catastrophe of the reflecting pool straightened out, a plaque with Trump's name will probably appear, the Arch de Trump is on it's way. Probably a giant statue to the narcissist is in the works.

Again, none of this would be happening if you had just accepted 2016 and moved on. You mess with a guy like Trump, particulary trying to destroy him politically, financially, and personally, he's going to mess with you 10x worse if he gets the chance. The left is reaping exactly what they sowed.
I did accept that Trump lost by 7 million votes.
I'm not even referring to the election. I'm talking about illegal spying, RussiaGate, and two sham impeachments, lawfare. Your side has given Trump more than enough justification to yank your chain hard every opportunity he gets. And by all accounts, he's got you guys so flustered you're in a perpetual state of Reeeeeeeeeee. You're giving him exactly what he wants.
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AggieVictor10 said:

Phatbob said:

So your stance is entirely based on what you think he's "probably " going to do, then? Seems legit.


He ruins pretty much everything he touches so why are they even worried about his name on the ballroom?
True. Donald Trump is such a failure. He's done more in the business world than a single democrat politician in history. And then there's the whole two-time president thing.
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BMX Bandit said:

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The WH isn't part of the District of Columbia. It is a part of President's Park. Which is part of the National Park System, not DC.


Interesting theory, but incorrect.

It was undisputed that the defendants were building a building in DC

Rao seemed to think it being located in President's Park made a large amount of difference. That's where I got it from...
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Ag87H2O said:

Canvasback said:

Ag87H2O said:

Canvasback said:

Ag87H2O said:

Canvasback said:

Ag with kids said:

1939 said:

Canvasback said:

So much such subterfuge to get the monument you want to build to your self.


Which monument would that be and to whom?

When you have TDS, everything in the world is all about Trump...

Trump has been in a frenzy building and naming things as monuments to himself. Trump is the one making everything about himself!

This isn't a monument to Trump and you know it. It's a much needed addition to the White House complex. One that will benefit presidents of both Parties for decades to come.

If you guys had just left him alone 10 years ago and let him serve out his first term in relative peace, none of this would be happening. But you couldn't stand it, so you went in guns blazing, and in the end all it did was get him re-elected to a second term four years later than it should have been. And y'all gave him four years in between terms to figure out how he was not only going to accomplish his agenda, but to go nuclear on your side along the way. Look on the bright side. You've only got 2-1/2 more years of Trump.

He had his name added to the Kennedy Center, you an count on his name appearing on the "big, beautiful ballroom, if they ever get the catastrophe of the reflecting pool straightened out, a plaque with Trump's name will probably appear, the Arch de Trump is on it's way. Probably a giant statue to the narcissist is in the works.

Again, none of this would be happening if you had just accepted 2016 and moved on. You mess with a guy like Trump, particulary trying to destroy him politically, financially, and personally, he's going to mess with you 10x worse if he gets the chance. The left is reaping exactly what they sowed.
I did accept that Trump lost by 7 million votes.
I'm not even referring to the election. I'm talking about illegal spying, RussiaGate, and two sham impeachments, lawfare. Your side has given Trump more than enough justification to yank your chain hard every opportunity he gets. And by all accounts, he's got you guys so flustered you're in a perpetual state of Reeeeeeeeeee. You're giving him exactly what he wants.
ump lost the election 2016 so I don't know what you are talking about. I guess it is just sour grapes.
 
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