Can somebody smarter than I am tell me what Putin is trying to accomplish? Yes we probably won't respond in any major way because it's a handful of drones and not a real threat, but even if we don't respond, what does he gain from taunting NATO? This is like betting a grand to win a dollar.

You're right, Russia invaded Ukraine because Bill Gates and other billionaires and their modified food agenda

Deputy Travis Junior said:

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Can somebody smarter than I am tell me what Putin is trying to accomplish? Yes we probably won't respond in any major way because it's a handful of drones and not a real threat, but even if we don't respond, what does he gain from taunting NATO? This is like betting a grand to win a dollar.

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He's testing NATO. Without a real response, he will have undermined the alliance. Without confidence and resolve, the alliance is worthless

I'm not sure drone incursions (they're not even attacking just violating air space) are going to undermine the alliance, do you? Poland isn't gonna get mad because we don't send support in response to a few drones talking *****

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Can somebody smarter than I am tell me what Putin is trying to accomplish? Yes we probably won't respond in any major way because it's a handful of drones and not a real threat, but even if we don't respond, what does he gain from taunting NATO? This is like betting a grand to win a dollar.

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They're pushing to test NATO's response and corresponding risk tolerance. If they sense weakness then they'll continue to push farther, and with more brazen acts. They'll continue in this way until we acquiesce and give them something they want, or nut up and slam their dick in the door. Most folks are too fearful to do number 2 because they're afraid Russia will nuke the world if we tell them "no" with action, so Russia assumes that they'll eventually achieve number 1.

Secondarily, they'll continue to do it until we habituate and no longer see it as a "big deal", in which case they'll have a green light to force NATO and the Baltics to divert resources and continually account for their jackassery.

The drone incursions into Poland were to test the response. These drones are more a direct threat. Next time they could be blowing up airliners.

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You're right, Russia invaded Ukraine because Bill Gates and other billionaires and their modified food agenda

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If you control the food supply, what else do you control?

Any country/ entity that owns a big chunk of the land to make food is going to be a powerful mofo in the future. They aren't making anymore land, only making more and more people that are immigrating all over.

Has there been a major disruption in food prices or availability due to the fighting in Ukraine? No? Not here? Not there? Not anywhere?

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Has there been a major disruption in food prices or availability due to the fighting in Ukraine? No? Not here? Not there? Not anywhere?

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I mean, probably in Ukraine. But…

By the way, they're effing with us too.

Confirmed, the KC-135 and an E-3, alongside an unknown number of fighter jets, were scrambled this evening due to unknown aircraft(s), likely Russian, operating in or near the Alaska Air Defense Identification Zone (ADIZ). https://t.co/kRvxYlimMy

— OSINTdefender (@sentdefender) September 25, 2025

A U.S. Air Force KC-135R “Stratotanker” Aerial-Refueling Tanker from Eielson Air Force Base, likely towing fighter jets, is currently doing circles over the Seward Peninsula in Alaska, near the Bearing Strait. Could be in response to another violation of the Alaska Air Defense… pic.twitter.com/SyGep4Au8A

— OSINTdefender (@sentdefender) September 25, 2025

And Putin's continued hubristic attitude…

🇷🇺PUTIN: "POLAND MUST BE “REMINDED” ITS WESTERN TERRITORIES WERE GIFT FROM STALIN"

Vladimir Putin has referenced historical territorial changes involving Poland, particularly Stalin's role in reshaping borders after World War II.

At the 1945 Yalta and Potsdam conferences,… pic.twitter.com/l5JYzM1ubs

— WORLD AT WAR (@World_At_War_6) September 24, 2025

We are well positioned to counter Russia in Alaska. Plenty of F-22's and F-35's compared to their outdated crap

It also forces Europe to spread out its defense material leaving less available to supply Ukraine. The West in general can't keep up with Russia's production, so they've been drawing down their stockpiles. Now they have to think more seriously about protecting their own borders.

It's a relatively low risk gambit, too. Prob knows no one is going to war for a few drones crossing the border.

Moscow and St Petersburg need to feel the pain Kiev has suffered and lose a few thousand sons. NORKS being killed for "Mother Russia" is fine with them.

Russia isn't some industrial juggernaut. Europe waking up and finding their own defense is a good thing

Well the "imperial thing" to do would just take them down and say "of course we knock down unauthorized craft in our airspace not responding. Its not animus or personal."

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And Putin's continued hubristic attitude…

🇷🇺PUTIN: "POLAND MUST BE “REMINDED” ITS WESTERN TERRITORIES WERE GIFT FROM STALIN"

Vladimir Putin has referenced historical territorial changes involving Poland, particularly Stalin's role in reshaping borders after World War II.

At the 1945 Yalta and Potsdam conferences,… pic.twitter.com/l5JYzM1ubs

— WORLD AT WAR (@World_At_War_6) September 24, 2025

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Food for thought:

Agreed, but I don't think they have the air defense for a serious drone/missile attack. No one does at this point.

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Has there been a major disruption in food prices or availability due to the fighting in Ukraine? No? Not here? Not there? Not anywhere?

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No, not shortages so much, but prices definitely...Inflation sucks...Not sure how much is related to the Ukraine war, though, but we know our government spending definitely leads to inflation. I'm saying there is an obvious reason that US entities are trying to buy up all of the farmland everywhere..Look at what is happening in the world with immigration. Just more and more people being born in other countries. Resources getting less and less. We will eventually run out of oil in the ground too and have to produce oil from crops like soybeans. It isn't hard to see why Putin would want to do a land grab of one of the most fertile countries in the world; especially, since the dude literally hates Zelenski and a lot of things about Ukraine.

I'm not saying Putin made the right choice or he's completely sane in his decision making...Just saying we threw a little gas on the fire when we started cozying up to Ukraines politicians.

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. We will eventually run out of oil in the ground too and have to produce oil from crops like soybeans.

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Puff puff pass

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Puff puff pass

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Biodiesel is soooo back! Quick, someone tell Willie!!

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2-300 tomahawks would annihilate Russia's oil industry, Russia's economy, and turn out the lights in Moscow and St Petersburg. It's time to sack up and get serious. Russia isn't playing ball, so they need to get humbled.

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...and it will leave every major american city laying in radioactive rubble. Putin isnt like us. he'll do it.

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You think the Russian ICBM's have been maintained?
If they are like the rest of Russian technology most will not leave the silos.

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how many functional ones do they have? how many do they actually need to constitute a viable threat? 1?

who here is willing to watch their 401k's become effectively worthless because we miscalculated in an optional war? how many wanna risk having the equity in their homes disappear? **** it....sell guns and oil to the Euros and let them fight.

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Optional war for us but what about our children or our children's children.

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Europe should have nipped this **** in the bud years ago.

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Europe collectively are the biggest bunch of ******* in the world. They ain't nipping anything in the bud.

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"Consumer and industry/professional drones have to broadcast a so called "Remote-ID" that provides both the location of the pilot and drone in real time.
As the event is still ongoing, it can be ruled out that the drones are "random accidents", as police would have found the pranksters.
The fact that these drones do not provide Remote-ID underlines thd fact that drones used are modified or tailored to clandestine usage."

As someone asked:

EU 2019/945 clearly regulates that Class 5 and 6 UAS must provide remote ID, Velocity, Course, Altitude etc.
This includes the „number plate“ of the UAS.

The drones on video are extremely likely class 5 or 6, hence they must be illegally operated, as otherwise…

— C Schmitz (@chrisschmitz) September 24, 2025

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Well, they could be older drones that were built prior to the rule that they had to have RID. In the US, you didn't have to have it until 2023. Not sure of when the EASA rule went into effect, but they weren't that far ahead of us...

You can buy RID modules that you can attach to your drone for a few hundred $ but I'd venture many people haven't done that.

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The USA had a hand in starting this crap to be honest...Our polticians were getting too friendly with Ukraine, right on Russia's border. NATO was getting a little to friendly. So it's not only Putin's fault in this case. The greedy arseholes here saw a bunch of rich farmland and resources in Ukraine and tried to get a piece of that pie... Otherwise, I would agree, we need to take a stronger stance. We need to stay out of this crap, and stay away from Ukraine in the future.

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Some reasons for Putin to be aggravated but no excuse to invade another country that isn't a threat. There is no way that Ukraine or NATO was going to invade Russia because they're a nuclear power, and everybody knows that, including Putin. He invaded to advance his own goals and has killed tens of thousands of innocent people.

He's the bad guy here, not the Ukranians or US. There's no equivalency... not even close.

Agree with the US staying out of direct conflict. Europeans need to step up or live with the consequences if Russia succeeds. Even in that case, we should penalize the hell out of them economically and set them back decades. Make it a very expensive acquisition for Mr. Putin so that he thinks twice before doing it again.

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It's been awhile so don't take this as gospel and I don't have the time to go back and research it but iirc, the US had
several bio-weapons labs in Ukraine. I'm not saying that excuses Putin's invasion but if true, then that'd be a direct threat on Russia's doorstep. I know we wouldn't put up with that if Mexico or Canada had Chinese bio-weapon labs on our border, at least I hope not.

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lol China has had biolabs in CA and just recently got caught bringing some kind of agricultural disease (bio weapon) into the US. Then of course there was the "weather balloon" incident. They help cartels set up and equip fentanyl manufacturing in Mexico. Remind me, what was our strong response to all of this?

Not our war. Sell them weapons though. Europe needs to pull their heads out of their asses and stop wasting time taking in millions of 3rd world trash and arresting people for memes.

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Not our war. Sell them weapons though. Europe needs to pull their heads out of their asses and stop wasting time taking in millions of 3rd world trash and arresting people for memes.

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So much truth here.

Russia is doubling down because the effects of the war have been brought to the homefront in a non localized manner that can't be brushed away or hidden from the populace. The concerted campaign against refineries, fuel storage, and pipelines has been successful causing shortages and price spikes. Every day that this goes on demonstrates the inability and weakness of the regime to defeat Ukraine much less protect the motherland, and it's not even winter yet. Patience and allegiance will run out when people start freezing to death waiting in line for a tank of gas.

Even Putin knows he isn't going to get volunteers from Moscow and St. Petersberg to die or get maimed fighting Ukraine, but against Europe? That's a different story. NATO has to play the longer game here and take a few jabs or pin *****s while the water starts to boil in Russia. The time will come when sub-czar(s) detects the weakness/opening in the regime and decides to make their move - but that won't happen if there is a common enemy if NATO starts mobilizing, moving significant assets, and kinetically disrupting the provocations. They just have to let the pot boil and not overreact to any of the splashing/spills over the sides-unfortunately staying the course is not a strong suit of Trump.

The Chinese tolerate Russia as their de-facto resource province for oil, *****s, and distractions from themselves. Strikes on Russia's export infrastructure to China would be a strategic mistake. It would make no since drawing them into the conflict, but it'd be one of the first targets if they get froggy with Taiwan. India will drop Russian petroleum if/when a cheaper/better deal appears or supply dries up.

I think/hope we are witnessing the beginning of the end of this war.

This feels like The Sum of All Fears when the President of Russia took responsibility for the gassing of a city, when in reality, it was a rogue Russian General who ordered the attack. The President of Russia had to take responsibility or admit he didn't have control of his own team.

Thankfully Ben Affleck saved the day. (Spoiler)

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Not our war. Sell them weapons though. Europe needs to pull their heads out of their asses and stop wasting time taking in millions of 3rd world trash and arresting people for memes.

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When NATO is involved, it absolutely is our war.

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Russia is doubling down because the effects of the war have been brought to the homefront in a non localized manner that can't be brushed away or hidden from the populace. The concerted campaign against refineries, fuel storage, and pipelines has been successful causing shortages and price spikes. Every day that this goes on demonstrates the inability and weakness of the regime to defeat Ukraine much less protect the motherland, and it's not even winter yet. Patience and allegiance will run out when people start freezing to death waiting in line for a tank of gas.

Even Putin knows he isn't going to get volunteers from Moscow and St. Petersberg to die or get maimed fighting Ukraine, but against Europe? That's a different story. NATO has to play the longer game here and take a few jabs or pin *****s while the water starts to boil in Russia. The time will come when sub-czar(s) detects the weakness/opening in the regime and decides to make their move - but that won't happen if there is a common enemy if NATO starts mobilizing, moving significant assets, and kinetically disrupting the provocations. They just have to let the pot boil and not overreact to any of the splashing/spills over the sides-unfortunately staying the course is not a strong suit of Trump.

The Chinese tolerate Russia as their de-facto resource province for oil, *****s, and distractions from themselves. Strikes on Russia's export infrastructure to China would be a strategic mistake. It would make no since drawing them into the conflict, but it'd be one of the first targets if they get froggy with Taiwan. India will drop Russian petroleum if/when a cheaper/better deal appears or supply dries up.

I think/hope we are witnessing the beginning of the end of this war.

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I think this could be a very strong contender for the reason of Putin pot stirring. I watch an awful lot of "slice of life" videos from both Ukraine and Russia. It is both astonishing and not astonishing, how many people from all generations in Russia already believe this is a war against the "West". Not Ukraine. The West. The social conditioning that Russia has undertaken, coupled with the Russian predilection for servile subservience to tyrannical rulers, has already taken a strong hold on a large portion of their people. Of course, it is highlighted as an existential struggle as well.

Despite the nature of the Russian people, Putin knows he still can't lose their goodwill. So what do despots do across history? Give them a common enemy. Still the best tactic I know of for uniting a people.

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What will NATO do about? A strongly worded tweet?

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Not Another Tweeting Organization?

There will be a joint press conference on the drone incidents in Denmark at 7:30 pm (1 hour from now). The following agencies will be present:

- The National Police
- Denmark's Armed Forces
- Denmark's Defence Intelligence Agency
- Denmark's Security and Intelligence Service pic.twitter.com/qQihSkpCBD

— Faytuks News (@Faytuks) September 25, 2025

Related:

Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov says that NATO and the EU have “declared war on Russia” through Ukraine -TASS pic.twitter.com/4QaMjLUSC8

— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) September 25, 2025

Typical Russian entitlement. "We fly military aircraft into your airspace and you will accept it. You shoot down then you start war. Your fault, not ours". Idiots

❗️War will begin if NATO shoots down a Russian plane, Russian Ambassador to France Meshkov said, saying this would mean the beginning of a military conflict pic.twitter.com/CunbhA0RFH

— 🪖MilitaryNewsUA🇺🇦 (@front_ukrainian) September 25, 2025