Agreed. Cripple his economy, no need to fight him at all.

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… and sending more drones into NATO airspace after being roundly rebuked by the US, Poland, and others publicly. They either seem to genuinely want to escalate tensions and risk creating a broader conflict and second front that will permit greater ease of taking Ukraine or they feel that when push comes to shove, the US and Western Europe will fracture NATO and abandon the Baltics.

And doing this during UN session is a pretty direct public F.U. on top of it all.

The National Police of Denmark have stated that unknown drones are now being spotted in several other areas across the country, with drones being reported over both Esbjerg and Sønderborg in Southern Denmark, near the border with Germany.

— OSINTdefender (@sentdefender) September 24, 2025

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That's simply part of their MO. The attempted assassination of the Sergei Skripal was similarly timed after a meeting concerning Novichoks had just taken place at Porton Down, just a few miles from Salisbury.

This all relates to NATO giving Ukraine the green light to go after Russian refineries - they are putting pressure on Russias fuel supplies - it's causing major issues in Russia and the Russian people may be starting to balk at this entire Ukraine war - next 6 months should be interesting to say the least

We just let 10mm immigrants just show up without really knowing who they are. What happens when all the sleeper cells wake up around the country? How many cells have been setup in the EU while they've been asleep at the wheel for the last decade? so many ways this could go bad...

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GAC06 said:

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2-300 tomahawks would annihilate Russia's oil industry, Russia's economy, and turn out the lights in Moscow and St Petersburg. It's time to sack up and get serious. Russia isn't playing ball, so they need to get humbled.

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...and it will leave every major american city laying in radioactive rubble. Putin isnt like us. he'll do it.

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You think the Russian ICBM's have been maintained?
If they are like the rest of Russian technology most will not leave the silos.

rab79 said:

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Sid Farkas said:

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GAC06 said:

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2-300 tomahawks would annihilate Russia's oil industry, Russia's economy, and turn out the lights in Moscow and St Petersburg. It's time to sack up and get serious. Russia isn't playing ball, so they need to get humbled.

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...and it will leave every major american city laying in radioactive rubble. Putin isnt like us. he'll do it.

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You think the Russian ICBM's have been maintained?
If they are like the rest of Russian technology most will not leave the silos.

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how many functional ones do they have? how many do they actually need to constitute a viable threat? 1?

who here is willing to watch their 401k's become effectively worthless because we miscalculated in an optional war? how many wanna risk having the equity in their homes disappear? **** it....sell guns and oil to the Euros and let them fight.

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Of course Putin's doubling down he knows NATO is spineless. They're gonna write some strongly worded letters and make a bunch of speeches and then sit around and hope US steps in.

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This...

Tanks could be rolling through the streets of Berlin and everyone would just have their phones out recording and hoping for thoughts and prayers.

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They have social programs to pay for

And like that we know more about drones in Eastern Europe than the ones that haunted the northeast for a month.

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Sid Farkas said:

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GAC06 said:

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2-300 tomahawks would annihilate Russia's oil industry, Russia's economy, and turn out the lights in Moscow and St Petersburg. It's time to sack up and get serious. Russia isn't playing ball, so they need to get humbled.

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...and it will leave every major american city laying in radioactive rubble. Putin isnt like us. he'll do it.

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You think the Russian ICBM's have been maintained?
If they are like the rest of Russian technology most will not leave the silos.

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Given the fact that they still MIRV their roughly 350-400 ICBMs, some with 10 warheads, they only need a handful to work.

Toss in their SLBMs, and they have more than enough to wipe us out if they want to.

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rab79 said:

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Sid Farkas said:

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GAC06 said:

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2-300 tomahawks would annihilate Russia's oil industry, Russia's economy, and turn out the lights in Moscow and St Petersburg. It's time to sack up and get serious. Russia isn't playing ball, so they need to get humbled.

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...and it will leave every major american city laying in radioactive rubble. Putin isnt like us. he'll do it.

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You think the Russian ICBM's have been maintained?
If they are like the rest of Russian technology most will not leave the silos.

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how many functional ones do they have? how many do they actually need to constitute a viable threat? 1?

who here is willing to watch their 401k's become effectively worthless because we miscalculated in an optional war? how many wanna risk having the equity in their homes disappear? **** it....sell guns and oil to the Euros and let them fight.

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You would be surprised how many on here, wouldn't mind their 401k and equity in their homes disappear just to see Russia hurt a bit. It's not politicians that are going to hurt, its us citizens that are going to hurt. But all means lets keep beating the war drum.

I was told that flying a bunch of aircraft over Putin's head in Alaska was going to show Putin we weren't messing around…

Poland could be in Moscow in three weeks if NATO gives them the green light. The fact that Russia can't take care of freaking Ukraine tells you that Russia is a paper bear.

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Agreed. Cripple his economy, no need to fight him at all.

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They just do business with China. They aren't suffering all that much even after all the sanctions we have been putting on them since they invaded. Besides bombing their gas infrastructure, I can't see us doing much more harm to their economy. And bombing that is still an act of war.

Has there been any actual confirmation these are Russian drones?

If we get in involved directly it likely ends in nuclear war which I think people want sadly.

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If we get in involved directly it likely ends in nuclear war which I think people want sadly.

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Not gonna happen. MAD still in place.

Artorias said:

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Has there been any actual confirmation these are Russian drones?

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Well... the drones were dressed in tracksuits, while holding a bottle of vodka.

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Sid Farkas said:

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GAC06 said:

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2-300 tomahawks would annihilate Russia's oil industry, Russia's economy, and turn out the lights in Moscow and St Petersburg. It's time to sack up and get serious. Russia isn't playing ball, so they need to get humbled.

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...and it will leave every major american city laying in radioactive rubble. Putin isnt like us. he'll do it.

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You think the Russian ICBM's have been maintained?
If they are like the rest of Russian technology most will not leave the silos.

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It's Europe's fight, not ours. I think the only way to get Putin to back down is get rid of Zelenski, Putin truly hates him and won't let it go, put someone else over Ukraine, and give Russia a little territory. Yeah, it sucks and gives the bully exactly what he wants, but we don't know how crazy Putin is, nor what they are capable of when it comes to Nukes...It's too big a risk...The corrupt Ukranian politicians aren't worth a World War...

Give Putin a clean way out and a sort of win. It's not right at all but the safest way to go, and again, it's not our fight...It is Europes.

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Everyone saying NATO is spineless forgets we are the fist in that velvet glove and Trump just unequivocally gave his answer on where he stands on the matter the other day.

On the one hand you have to ask why the hell would Putin be willing to escalate things further when his current war is going badly. Then the other hand you REALLY have to ask, why the hell would Putin be willing to risk escalation when his current war is going badly?

NATO has always treated Russia from a position of relative strength historically speaking. This war has turned that on its head. The recent NATO meetings you couldn't begin to hide the scorn and hatred the rest of Europe has for Russia right now. We are living in interesting times.

And remember, most "acts of war" is only an act of war when it is politically convenient for it to be so.

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Putin and Xi met just weeks ago. What if they're planning a coordinate attack, Russia with NATO, and China with Taiwan. The US can't defend both, especially if it goes nuclear. Just a thought.

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It's Europe's fight, not ours. I think the only way to get Putin to back down is get rid of Zelenski, he truly hates him and won't let it go, put someone else over Ukraine, and give Russia a little territory. Yeah, it sucks and gives the bully exactly what he wants, but we don't know how crazy Putin is, nor what they are capable of when it comes to Nukes...It's too big a risk...

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No, that's an appeasement strategy. Never works. Gotta deal with the bully straight on.

Agree though that it's Europe's fight. They have to step up. We can support in a minor role, but no US troops in Ukraine or direct military involvement. We navigated the Cold War well without a nuclear exchange. We can do the same here. Just have to be smart about it without appeasing the aggressor.

Going nuclear and attacking all of Europe would be a surprise escalation. Dumb on China and Russia's part but so be it.

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GAC06 said:

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2-300 tomahawks would annihilate Russia's oil industry, Russia's economy, and turn out the lights in Moscow and St Petersburg. It's time to sack up and get serious. Russia isn't playing ball, so they need to get humbled.

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That's worse than two teas and that's saying something.

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Due to inflation, it's now 3 teas that need to be sold.

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Ramdiesel said:

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It's Europe's fight, not ours. I think the only way to get Putin to back down is get rid of Zelenski, he truly hates him and won't let it go, put someone else over Ukraine, and give Russia a little territory. Yeah, it sucks and gives the bully exactly what he wants, but we don't know how crazy Putin is, nor what they are capable of when it comes to Nukes...It's too big a risk...

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No, that's an appeasement strategy. Never works. Gotta deal with the bully straight on.

Agree though that it's Europe's fight. They have to step up. We can support in a minor role, but no US troops in Ukraine or direct military involvement. We navigated the Cold War well without a nuclear exchange. We can do the same here. Just have to be smart about it without appeasing the aggressor.

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The USA had a hand in starting this crap to be honest...Our polticians were getting too friendly with Ukraine for years, right on Russia's border. NATO was getting a little to friendly. So it's not only Putin's fault in this case. The greedy arseholes here saw a bunch of rich farmland and resources in Ukraine and tried to get a piece of that pie... Otherwise, I would agree, we need to take a stronger stance. We need to stay out of this crap, and stay away from Ukraine in the future.

Don't forget we've had some real morons running this country for a while that have made mistakes when dealing with Russia/ Putin long before this little war.

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If we get in involved directly it likely ends in nuclear war which I think people want sadly.

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FFS. No one wants nuclear war. They are just ****ing tired of being held hostage by a madman who holds the world at will because muh nooks. This is not hard to understand.

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The USA had a hand in starting this crap to be honest...Our polticians were getting too friendly with Ukraine, right on Russia's border. NATO was getting a little to friendly. So it's not only Putin's fault in this case. The greedy arseholes here saw a bunch of rich farmland and resources in Ukraine and tried to get a piece of that pie... Otherwise, I would agree, we need to take a stronger stance. We need to stay out of this crap, and stay away from Ukraine in the future.

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Some reasons for Putin to be aggravated but no excuse to invade another country that isn't a threat. There is no way that Ukraine or NATO was going to invade Russia because they're a nuclear power, and everybody knows that, including Putin. He invaded to advance his own goals and has killed tens of thousands of innocent people.

He's the bad guy here, not the Ukranians or US. There's no equivalency... not even close.

Agree with the US staying out of direct conflict. Europeans need to step up or live with the consequences if Russia succeeds. Even in that case, we should penalize the hell out of them economically and set them back decades. Make it a very expensive acquisition for Mr. Putin so that he thinks twice before doing it again.

Yeah that farmland was too good to pass up. Meanwhile NATO members Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Finland, and Poland all share a border with Russia. I guess they don't have farmland.

Oops, and Norway

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Ramdiesel said:

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The USA had a hand in starting this crap to be honest...Our polticians were getting too friendly with Ukraine, right on Russia's border. NATO was getting a little to friendly. So it's not only Putin's fault in this case. The greedy arseholes here saw a bunch of rich farmland and resources in Ukraine and tried to get a piece of that pie... Otherwise, I would agree, we need to take a stronger stance. We need to stay out of this crap, and stay away from Ukraine in the future.

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Some reasons for Putin to be aggravated but no excuse to invade another country that isn't a threat. There is no way that Ukraine or NATO was going to invade Russia because they're a nuclear power, and everybody knows that, including Putin. He invaded to advance his own goals and has killed tens of thousands of innocent people.

He's the bad guy here, not the Ukranians or US. There's no equivalency... not even close.

Agree with the US staying out of direct conflict. Europeans need to step up or live with the consequences if Russia succeeds. Even in that case, we should penalize the hell out of them economically and set them back decades. Make it a very expensive acquisition for Mr. Putin so that he thinks twice before doing it again.

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If it's not a threat, why did we get all bent out of shape when Russia wanted to park some nukes in Cuba, right off our coast, pointed at us?

Again, we've had morons running this country doing stupid stuff in the dealings with Russia in the past..

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Ramdiesel said:

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The USA had a hand in starting this crap to be honest...Our polticians were getting too friendly with Ukraine, right on Russia's border. NATO was getting a little to friendly. So it's not only Putin's fault in this case. The greedy arseholes here saw a bunch of rich farmland and resources in Ukraine and tried to get a piece of that pie... Otherwise, I would agree, we need to take a stronger stance. We need to stay out of this crap, and stay away from Ukraine in the future.

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Some reasons for Putin to be aggravated but no excuse to invade another country that isn't a threat. There is no way that Ukraine or NATO was going to invade Russia because they're a nuclear power, and everybody knows that, including Putin. He invaded to advance his own goals and has killed tens of thousands of innocent people.

He's the bad guy here, not the Ukranians or US. There's no equivalency... not even close.

Agree with the US staying out of direct conflict. Europeans need to step up or live with the consequences if Russia succeeds. Even in that case, we should penalize the hell out of them economically and set them back decades. Make it a very expensive acquisition for Mr. Putin so that he thinks twice before doing it again.

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It's been awhile so don't take this as gospel and I don't have the time to go back and research it but iirc, the US had
several bio-weapons labs in Ukraine. I'm not saying that excuses Putin's invasion but if true, then that'd be a direct threat on Russia's doorstep. I know we wouldn't put up with that if Mexico or Canada had Chinese bio-weapon labs on our border, at least I hope not.

The mistakes we've made with Russia in the past were not being strong enough. We need to make them back down, through strength.

Bio labs yall. Bio labs.

On their border! Bio labs! On their BORDER!

Plus Nazis

If UKE is so important why didn't the USA check Russia when they invaded Crimea ?

Things that make you go hmmmm

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It's time to punish Putin.

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It's been time…but it's not exactly an easy thing to do.

You forgot about the satanists and the radioactive bats.

Apollo79 said:

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If UKE is so important why didn't the USA check Russia when they invaded Crimea ?

Things that make you go hmmmm

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President red lines at the helm.

Let Europe handle it we can sell them weapons

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Yeah that farmland was too good to pass up. Meanwhile NATO members Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Finland, and Poland all share a border with Russia. I guess they don't have farmland.

Oops, and Norway

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Sure they do, but not as much land as Ukraine. And, Ukraine has a lot owned by the government. Also, all those countries except Finland joined NATO in 2004 or way before. When did Bill Gates and other Billionaires get into the major land buying business to make their modified food crap?