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Professors in Texas have to be at their desks every day from 8-5. If they're leading an online class, they have to do it from their office on campus, not offsite.

IHIOGA that law is widely ignored.

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That's not quite what it says. It says "40 hour work week" not 8-5.

This law was idiotic. More than that it was petty and shows just how little people understand about how colleges and faculty actually do their jobs.

I for one will show those geniuses in Austin. I'm not answering emails or texts for anyone including my online students in the evenings or Friday through Sunday after I hit my 40. Which will be Thursday some time.

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So I could hypothetically explain to students that their terms papers will not be returned as quickly as they usually would be returned because state law requires me to be present at my office for 40 hours a week and because that is all I am being paid for?

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The new cell phones at school law technically starts today. But it has been enforced in most districts since the beginning of the school year.

Best law to come out of Austin in years. It is having an immediate positive impact on our kids.

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No issue with this law as it applies to in the classroom or even in the school building. What irritates me is when the school takes my kid somewhere off campus during the school day and they still aren't allowed to have them.

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What do college faculty do when the do work?

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Hours of administrative work. Grade papers and exams of approximately 210 students per semester. Prepare for class discussions. Two hours of office hours for every hour of class taught ... plus meeting with students when their request doesn't align with one's schedule. Answering innumerable emails. Participating in departmental and college committees. Involvement in charitable and other organizations beyond the university (part of the evaluation process). Attending meetings and dinners with textbook vendors. Shall I go on. Btw ... I'm also an attorney and teach my conservatively-run, constitutionally-based Political Science class like it's a law school class. I out-homework my students and my colleagues, so eat a big pile. I earn my money.

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Professors in Texas have to be at their desks every day from 8-5. If they're leading an online class, they have to do it from their office on campus, not offsite.

IHIOGA that law is widely ignored.

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That's not quite what it says. It says "40 hour work week" not 8-5.

This law was idiotic. More than that it was petty and shows just how little people understand about how colleges and faculty actually do their jobs.

I for one will show those geniuses in Austin. I'm not answering emails or texts for anyone including my online students in the evenings or Friday through Sunday after I hit my 40. Which will be Thursday some time.

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Sounds like every other government employee. Try that in the private sector and see if you still have a job.

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Spoken like someone who has no idea what college faculty do and when they work.

I don't need the Lege telling me to work 40.

I make myself available for students 9 A -9 P 7 days a week. I'm on campus 40 plus hours already M-R plus in faculty and committee meetings Fridays plus teach and interact with an online class where students ask questions in the evenings and weekend because, you know, that's when they work in online classes. So if they want to codify in Law that I work 40 hours who am I to tell them no?

This got run through committee the last week of the session without public input. The committee literally canceled it. It was petty. And they did this having no understanding of what college faculty do, how they do it or when they do it. It's pure politics.

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you dont care about education. If you did you would respond to your students regardless of whay a lawmaker says. you are just a ideologue

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Spoken like someone truly ignorant of higher ed. Name me a single private sector job that requires you to answer to 100 something students. Educators must set boundaries. Not sure what the penalty is for violating this law, but I don't know a single professor that sits in their office 40 hours a week and I don't think that's going to change.

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bro your better not be education because you cant read. his boundary is he used to work outside regular hours for his students but now wontbecause he is a ideologue and wants to make students suffer because of mean lawmakers

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20 years experience in higher ed, 15 at A&M. Just so we're clear, you believe people should be required to sit in their office for 40 hours, plus teach, plus department meetings, plus conduct research, etc. If you can't understand why this is stupid and why educators must set boundaries, just stfu.

And to whomever blamed indictrination, that's such a BS right talking point. It's not nearly as bad as you think or has been portrayed by right-wing media. And yes, I follow conservative radio. Most of us are just trying to do our jobs.

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you settled for teaching and now have accountability. its ok most of us work more than 40 hours and being salary get no overtime and have to answer calls check email and do work at all hours

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This is total crap. Ive always had accountability. I didn't "settle" for anything. I've helped bring in millions to Texas A&M. Your whole viewpoint is stupid right-wing hogwash. If rightists got their way, no one would ever go to college again and we'd be dead in the water for scientific research. Your not better than me just because you have a private sector job. I'm done defending educators. There's little wonder that A&M's education major enrollment has dropped so low, rightists have drilled into the public that teachers are leftists coming for your kids. Just driving Texas' education rankings even lower. Good job team red!

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That's good because you're not very good at it. Oh no, how dare someone criticize the crap teachers that every school has!!! Many teacher's (and it seems you included) think of themselves as some sort of untouchable public servant that we should all be groveling before. Many liberals do become teachers and then they DO try to indoctrinate young minds with their mental disorder. That's a FACT! It happens. Plenty of examples out there. You know what they're aren't examples of? Conservatives trying to indoctrinate students. Education dept enrollment has dropped because normal people don't want to deal with the **** kids in public schools. And then colleges lower their standards and those same **** kids show up there. And most of the time those **** kids have ****ty parents that vote democrat. HTH. You aren't above criticism. Teachers definitely aren't.

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Professors in Texas have to be at their desks every day from 8-5. If they're leading an online class, they have to do it from their office on campus, not offsite.

IHIOGA that law is widely ignored.

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That's not quite what it says. It says "40 hour work week" not 8-5.

This law was idiotic. More than that it was petty and shows just how little people understand about how colleges and faculty actually do their jobs.

I for one will show those geniuses in Austin. I'm not answering emails or texts for anyone including my online students in the evenings or Friday through Sunday after I hit my 40. Which will be Thursday some time.

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Sounds like every other government employee. Try that in the private sector and see if you still have a job.

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Spoken like someone who has no idea what college faculty do and when they work.

I don't need the Lege telling me to work 40.

I make myself available for students 9 A -9 P 7 days a week. I'm on campus 40 plus hours already M-R plus in faculty and committee meetings Fridays plus teach and interact with an online class where students ask questions in the evenings and weekend because, you know, that's when they work in online classes. So if they want to codify in Law that I work 40 hours who am I to tell them no?

This got run through committee the last week of the session without public input. The committee literally canceled it. It was petty. And they did this having no understanding of what college faculty do, how they do it or when they do it. It's pure politics.

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So it doesn't affect you at all, yet you are still angry and protesting it?

Sounds exactly like academia.

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The new cell phones at school law technically starts today. But it has been enforced in most districts since the beginning of the school year.

Best law to come out of Austin in years. It is having an immediate positive impact on our kids.

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No issue with this law as it applies to in the classroom or even in the school building. What irritates me is when the school takes my kid somewhere off campus during the school day and they still aren't allowed to have them.

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If they are on an official school trip, there is absolutely nothing wrong with this at all.

How in the world did we EVER make it back in the prehistoric days before every little Johnny and Sally had a cell phone and a helicopter parent?

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The new cell phones at school law technically starts today. But it has been enforced in most districts since the beginning of the school year.

Best law to come out of Austin in years. It is having an immediate positive impact on our kids.

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I agree with the impact of the law, but adamantly believe this is the state overstepping. This should be done by individual districts, not by state law.

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That's great in theory. Unfortunately it just doesn't work that way. School districts are just not very good at enforcing policy for a variety of reasons. But they are downright excellent at enforcing laws. It was the ONLY way this was going to work. It's just the way it is and fortunately enough people understood that.

Yep, A school district can have a policy, but if enough people complain about it to the point of making everyone miserable, the policy gets changed. With a state law, those busybody parents don't have any recourse except at the ballot box.

It's always funny to me when people posting constantly on TexAgs during the workday beat their chests about work ethic.

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It's always funny to me when people posting constantly on TexAgs during the workday beat their chests about work ethic.

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Fortunately I'm paid for my brain on an annual basis and not how many widgets I produce per hour.

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It's always funny to me when people posting constantly on TexAgs during the workday beat their chests about work ethic.

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Fortunately I'm paid for my brain on an annual basis and not how many widgets I produce per hour.

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I'm not entirely sure "Thank God I'm on salary because if I was paid based on my rate of work I'd be screwed" is the flex you think it is...

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Professors in Texas have to be at their desks every day from 8-5. If they're leading an online class, they have to do it from their office on campus, not offsite.

IHIOGA that law is widely ignored.

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That's not quite what it says. It says "40 hour work week" not 8-5.

This law was idiotic. More than that it was petty and shows just how little people understand about how colleges and faculty actually do their jobs.

I for one will show those geniuses in Austin. I'm not answering emails or texts for anyone including my online students in the evenings or Friday through Sunday after I hit my 40. Which will be Thursday some time.

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Sounds like every other government employee. Try that in the private sector and see if you still have a job.

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Spoken like someone who has no idea what college faculty do and when they work.

I don't need the Lege telling me to work 40.

I make myself available for students 9 A -9 P 7 days a week. I'm on campus 40 plus hours already M-R plus in faculty and committee meetings Fridays plus teach and interact with an online class where students ask questions in the evenings and weekend because, you know, that's when they work in online classes. So if they want to codify in Law that I work 40 hours who am I to tell them no?

This got run through committee the last week of the session without public input. The committee literally canceled it. It was petty. And they did this having no understanding of what college faculty do, how they do it or when they do it. It's pure politics.

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you dont care about education. If you did you would respond to your students regardless of whay a lawmaker says. you are just a ideologue

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Spoken like someone truly ignorant of higher ed. Name me a single private sector job that requires you to answer to 100 something students. Educators must set boundaries. Not sure what the penalty is for violating this law, but I don't know a single professor that sits in their office 40 hours a week and I don't think that's going to change.

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bro your better not be education because you cant read. his boundary is he used to work outside regular hours for his students but now wontbecause he is a ideologue and wants to make students suffer because of mean lawmakers

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20 years experience in higher ed, 15 at A&M. Just so we're clear, you believe people should be required to sit in their office for 40 hours, plus teach, plus department meetings, plus conduct research, etc. If you can't understand why this is stupid and why educators must set boundaries, just stfu.

And to whomever blamed indictrination, that's such a BS right talking point. It's not nearly as bad as you think or has been portrayed by right-wing media. And yes, I follow conservative radio. Most of us are just trying to do our jobs.

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you settled for teaching and now have accountability. its ok most of us work more than 40 hours and being salary get no overtime and have to answer calls check email and do work at all hours

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This is total crap. Ive always had accountability. I didn't "settle" for anything. I've helped bring in millions to Texas A&M. Your whole viewpoint is stupid right-wing hogwash. If rightists got their way, no one would ever go to college again and we'd be dead in the water for scientific research. Your not better than me just because you have a private sector job. I'm done defending educators. There's little wonder that A&M's education major enrollment has dropped so low, rightists have drilled into the public that teachers are leftists coming for your kids. Just driving Texas' education rankings even lower. Good job team red!

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That's good because you're not very good at it. Oh no, how dare someone criticize the crap teachers that every school has!!! Many teacher's (and it seems you included) think of themselves as some sort of untouchable public servant that we should all be groveling before. Many liberals do become teachers and then they DO try to indoctrinate young minds with their mental disorder. That's a FACT! It happens. Plenty of examples out there. You know what they're aren't examples of? Conservatives trying to indoctrinate students. Education dept enrollment has dropped because normal people don't want to deal with the **** kids in public schools. And then colleges lower their standards and those same **** kids show up there. And most of the time those **** kids have ****ty parents that vote democrat. HTH. You aren't above criticism. Teachers definitely aren't.

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Are there bad teachers? Sure, just like there are bad performers in every role. It is not nearly to the extent that rightists make it out to be. You also fail at reading comprehension. I never said I taught. I said I bring in millions. I'm also intimately familiar with happenings in CSISD. That said, criticism is always good if it's productive. But, in this case, your criticism is off base.

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Professors in Texas have to be at their desks every day from 8-5. If they're leading an online class, they have to do it from their office on campus, not offsite.

IHIOGA that law is widely ignored.

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That's not quite what it says. It says "40 hour work week" not 8-5.

This law was idiotic. More than that it was petty and shows just how little people understand about how colleges and faculty actually do their jobs.

I for one will show those geniuses in Austin. I'm not answering emails or texts for anyone including my online students in the evenings or Friday through Sunday after I hit my 40. Which will be Thursday some time.

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Sounds like every other government employee. Try that in the private sector and see if you still have a job.

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Spoken like someone who has no idea what college faculty do and when they work.

I don't need the Lege telling me to work 40.

I make myself available for students 9 A -9 P 7 days a week. I'm on campus 40 plus hours already M-R plus in faculty and committee meetings Fridays plus teach and interact with an online class where students ask questions in the evenings and weekend because, you know, that's when they work in online classes. So if they want to codify in Law that I work 40 hours who am I to tell them no?

This got run through committee the last week of the session without public input. The committee literally canceled it. It was petty. And they did this having no understanding of what college faculty do, how they do it or when they do it. It's pure politics.

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you dont care about education. If you did you would respond to your students regardless of whay a lawmaker says. you are just a ideologue

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Spoken like someone truly ignorant of higher ed. Name me a single private sector job that requires you to answer to 100 something students. Educators must set boundaries. Not sure what the penalty is for violating this law, but I don't know a single professor that sits in their office 40 hours a week and I don't think that's going to change.

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bro your better not be education because you cant read. his boundary is he used to work outside regular hours for his students but now wontbecause he is a ideologue and wants to make students suffer because of mean lawmakers

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20 years experience in higher ed, 15 at A&M. Just so we're clear, you believe people should be required to sit in their office for 40 hours, plus teach, plus department meetings, plus conduct research, etc. If you can't understand why this is stupid and why educators must set boundaries, just stfu.

And to whomever blamed indictrination, that's such a BS right talking point. It's not nearly as bad as you think or has been portrayed by right-wing media. And yes, I follow conservative radio. Most of us are just trying to do our jobs.

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you settled for teaching and now have accountability. its ok most of us work more than 40 hours and being salary get no overtime and have to answer calls check email and do work at all hours

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This is total crap. Ive always had accountability. I didn't "settle" for anything. I've helped bring in millions to Texas A&M. Your whole viewpoint is stupid right-wing hogwash. If rightists got their way, no one would ever go to college again and we'd be dead in the water for scientific research. Your not better than me just because you have a private sector job. I'm done defending educators. There's little wonder that A&M's education major enrollment has dropped so low, rightists have drilled into the public that teachers are leftists coming for your kids. Just driving Texas' education rankings even lower. Good job team red!

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That's good because you're not very good at it. Oh no, how dare someone criticize the crap teachers that every school has!!! Many teacher's (and it seems you included) think of themselves as some sort of untouchable public servant that we should all be groveling before. Many liberals do become teachers and then they DO try to indoctrinate young minds with their mental disorder. That's a FACT! It happens. Plenty of examples out there. You know what they're aren't examples of? Conservatives trying to indoctrinate students. Education dept enrollment has dropped because normal people don't want to deal with the **** kids in public schools. And then colleges lower their standards and those same **** kids show up there. And most of the time those **** kids have ****ty parents that vote democrat. HTH. You aren't above criticism. Teachers definitely aren't.

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Are there bad teachers? Sure, just like there are bad performers in every role. It is not nearly to the extent that rightists make it out to be. You also fail at reading comprehension. I never said I taught. I said I bring in millions. I'm also intimately familiar with happenings in CSISD. That said, criticism is always good if it's productive. But, in this case, your criticism is off base.

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Oh look a looney liberal making stuff up. That's what you're best at. Did I say you taught? Nope, sure didn't. you made that up. You're say I fail at reading comprehension? OK, Mr/Ms doesn't understand the proper use of "your".

If you don't teach at A&M, what exactly do you get paid to do? "Bring in millions". That's a cool job. "What do you do at work?" Oh, I bring in millions. LOL, yeah, OK.

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The new cell phones at school law technically starts today. But it has been enforced in most districts since the beginning of the school year.

Best law to come out of Austin in years. It is having an immediate positive impact on our kids.

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No issue with this law as it applies to in the classroom or even in the school building. What irritates me is when the school takes my kid somewhere off campus during the school day and they still aren't allowed to have them.

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it didn't bother my parents back in the day. I played high school basketball - week day road trip games I would never get home before 10:30-11:00pm. Mom/Dad just left some food in the fridge and went to bed.

after one really bad road game we went back to our school and practiced until Midnight on a weeknight. No one called their parents, and no parents were concerned.

I think the modern parent has become too spoiled by being able to instantly contact their child for everything from when they need to pick them up to what they want from the grocery store. So much so that even though the cell phones may be negatively impacting to the children, they are willing to accept that rather than be inconvenienced.

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Professors in Texas have to be at their desks every day from 8-5. If they're leading an online class, they have to do it from their office on campus, not offsite.

IHIOGA that law is widely ignored.

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That's not quite what it says. It says "40 hour work week" not 8-5.

This law was idiotic. More than that it was petty and shows just how little people understand about how colleges and faculty actually do their jobs.

I for one will show those geniuses in Austin. I'm not answering emails or texts for anyone including my online students in the evenings or Friday through Sunday after I hit my 40. Which will be Thursday some time.

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Sounds like every other government employee. Try that in the private sector and see if you still have a job.

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Spoken like someone who has no idea what college faculty do and when they work.

I don't need the Lege telling me to work 40.

I make myself available for students 9 A -9 P 7 days a week. I'm on campus 40 plus hours already M-R plus in faculty and committee meetings Fridays plus teach and interact with an online class where students ask questions in the evenings and weekend because, you know, that's when they work in online classes. So if they want to codify in Law that I work 40 hours who am I to tell them no?

This got run through committee the last week of the session without public input. The committee literally canceled it. It was petty. And they did this having no understanding of what college faculty do, how they do it or when they do it. It's pure politics.

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you dont care about education. If you did you would respond to your students regardless of whay a lawmaker says. you are just a ideologue

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Spoken like someone truly ignorant of higher ed. Name me a single private sector job that requires you to answer to 100 something students. Educators must set boundaries. Not sure what the penalty is for violating this law, but I don't know a single professor that sits in their office 40 hours a week and I don't think that's going to change.

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bro your better not be education because you cant read. his boundary is he used to work outside regular hours for his students but now wontbecause he is a ideologue and wants to make students suffer because of mean lawmakers

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20 years experience in higher ed, 15 at A&M. Just so we're clear, you believe people should be required to sit in their office for 40 hours, plus teach, plus department meetings, plus conduct research, etc. If you can't understand why this is stupid and why educators must set boundaries, just stfu.

And to whomever blamed indictrination, that's such a BS right talking point. It's not nearly as bad as you think or has been portrayed by right-wing media. And yes, I follow conservative radio. Most of us are just trying to do our jobs.

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you settled for teaching and now have accountability. its ok most of us work more than 40 hours and being salary get no overtime and have to answer calls check email and do work at all hours

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This is total crap. Ive always had accountability. I didn't "settle" for anything. I've helped bring in millions to Texas A&M. Your whole viewpoint is stupid right-wing hogwash. If rightists got their way, no one would ever go to college again and we'd be dead in the water for scientific research. Your not better than me just because you have a private sector job. I'm done defending educators. There's little wonder that A&M's education major enrollment has dropped so low, rightists have drilled into the public that teachers are leftists coming for your kids. Just driving Texas' education rankings even lower. Good job team red!

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That's good because you're not very good at it. Oh no, how dare someone criticize the crap teachers that every school has!!! Many teacher's (and it seems you included) think of themselves as some sort of untouchable public servant that we should all be groveling before. Many liberals do become teachers and then they DO try to indoctrinate young minds with their mental disorder. That's a FACT! It happens. Plenty of examples out there. You know what they're aren't examples of? Conservatives trying to indoctrinate students. Education dept enrollment has dropped because normal people don't want to deal with the **** kids in public schools. And then colleges lower their standards and those same **** kids show up there. And most of the time those **** kids have ****ty parents that vote democrat. HTH. You aren't above criticism. Teachers definitely aren't.

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Are there bad teachers? Sure, just like there are bad performers in every role. It is not nearly to the extent that rightists make it out to be. You also fail at reading comprehension. I never said I taught. I said I bring in millions. I'm also intimately familiar with happenings in CSISD. That said, criticism is always good if it's productive. But, in this case, your criticism is off base.

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Oh look a looney liberal making stuff up. That's what you're best at. Did I say you taught? Nope, sure didn't. you made that up. You're say I fail at reading ocomprehension? OK, Mr/Ms doesn't understand the proper use of "your".

If you don't teach at A&M, what exactly do you get paid to do? "Bring in millions". That's a cool job. "What do you do at work?" Oh, I bring in millions. LOL, yeah, OK.

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Looks to me like you did and I didn't make anything up. Moreover, your grammar criticism appears hypocritical. Get bent.

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Professors in Texas have to be at their desks every day from 8-5. If they're leading an online class, they have to do it from their office on campus, not offsite.

IHIOGA that law is widely ignored.

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That's not quite what it says. It says "40 hour work week" not 8-5.

This law was idiotic. More than that it was petty and shows just how little people understand about how colleges and faculty actually do their jobs.

I for one will show those geniuses in Austin. I'm not answering emails or texts for anyone including my online students in the evenings or Friday through Sunday after I hit my 40. Which will be Thursday some time.

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Sounds like every other government employee. Try that in the private sector and see if you still have a job.

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Spoken like someone who has no idea what college faculty do and when they work.

I don't need the Lege telling me to work 40.

I make myself available for students 9 A -9 P 7 days a week. I'm on campus 40 plus hours already M-R plus in faculty and committee meetings Fridays plus teach and interact with an online class where students ask questions in the evenings and weekend because, you know, that's when they work in online classes. So if they want to codify in Law that I work 40 hours who am I to tell them no?

This got run through committee the last week of the session without public input. The committee literally canceled it. It was petty. And they did this having no understanding of what college faculty do, how they do it or when they do it. It's pure politics.

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Would you be in favor of the legislature banning the majority of online classes?

I've worked for 3 colleges/universities over the years so am not coming at this completely blind. I think the pivot to online has been a massive disservice to today's kids and the majority of online sections should be banned.

My nephew was a freshman at SWT last fall. in 15 hours, he had 1 class actually in a classroom. The rest were online either zoom, watching pre-recorded videos, or doing modules. How is this education and why are kids/parents paying tens of thousands of dollars when professors/admin don't want to actually teach in the classroom?

Professors using pre-recorded modules over and over since 2021 is just lazy. Add on to that using AI to grade assignments, online modules provided by the publishers, etc. Kids are being cheated and college is a terrible value.

Looks like you did the math on this.

What was that car you owned that the state made illegal on the roadways?

I am visiting colleges with my daughter right now and in person classes is a selling point. She will not go to school, or at least I will not pay for a school, where it is all done online.

Are you sure he didn't just register for distance education sections? Most classes offered DE are also usually offered in person.

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I am visiting colleges with my daughter right now and in person classes is a selling point. She will not go to school, or at least I will not pay for a school, where it is all done online.

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They aren't even going in to testing centers for exams. No proctors, no screen monitoring, no locked down computers. Most of his friends are using Copilot to cheat. Out of his 5 roommates, only 1 is actually not using AI to cheat.

Universities doing this should be ashamed and I hope more parents are like you seeking out in person instruction. Kids are missing a big part of the college experience staying in their rooms playing video games all day between classes.

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Are you sure he didn't just register for distance education sections? Most classes offered DE are also usually offered in person.

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I have his schedule. These aren't DE classes. They're the only sections being offered for these courses.

Freshman level classes shouldn't be offered as DE in the first place. Freshman need the on campus experience.

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Professors in Texas have to be at their desks every day from 8-5. If they're leading an online class, they have to do it from their office on campus, not offsite.

IHIOGA that law is widely ignored.

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That's not quite what it says. It says "40 hour work week" not 8-5.

This law was idiotic. More than that it was petty and shows just how little people understand about how colleges and faculty actually do their jobs.

I for one will show those geniuses in Austin. I'm not answering emails or texts for anyone including my online students in the evenings or Friday through Sunday after I hit my 40. Which will be Thursday some time.

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Sounds like every other government employee. Try that in the private sector and see if you still have a job.

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Spoken like someone who has no idea what college faculty do and when they work.

I don't need the Lege telling me to work 40.

I make myself available for students 9 A -9 P 7 days a week. I'm on campus 40 plus hours already M-R plus in faculty and committee meetings Fridays plus teach and interact with an online class where students ask questions in the evenings and weekend because, you know, that's when they work in online classes. So if they want to codify in Law that I work 40 hours who am I to tell them no?

This got run through committee the last week of the session without public input. The committee literally canceled it. It was petty. And they did this having no understanding of what college faculty do, how they do it or when they do it. It's pure politics.

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you dont care about education. If you did you would respond to your students regardless of whay a lawmaker says. you are just a ideologue

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Spoken like someone truly ignorant of higher ed. Name me a single private sector job that requires you to answer to 100 something students. Educators must set boundaries. Not sure what the penalty is for violating this law, but I don't know a single professor that sits in their office 40 hours a week and I don't think that's going to change.

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bro your better not be education because you cant read. his boundary is he used to work outside regular hours for his students but now wontbecause he is a ideologue and wants to make students suffer because of mean lawmakers

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20 years experience in higher ed, 15 at A&M. Just so we're clear, you believe people should be required to sit in their office for 40 hours, plus teach, plus department meetings, plus conduct research, etc. If you can't understand why this is stupid and why educators must set boundaries, just stfu.

And to whomever blamed indictrination, that's such a BS right talking point. It's not nearly as bad as you think or has been portrayed by right-wing media. And yes, I follow conservative radio. Most of us are just trying to do our jobs.

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you settled for teaching and now have accountability. its ok most of us work more than 40 hours and being salary get no overtime and have to answer calls check email and do work at all hours

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This is total crap. Ive always had accountability. I didn't "settle" for anything. I've helped bring in millions to Texas A&M. Your whole viewpoint is stupid right-wing hogwash. If rightists got their way, no one would ever go to college again and we'd be dead in the water for scientific research. Your not better than me just because you have a private sector job. I'm done defending educators. There's little wonder that A&M's education major enrollment has dropped so low, rightists have drilled into the public that teachers are leftists coming for your kids. Just driving Texas' education rankings even lower. Good job team red!

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That's good because you're not very good at it. Oh no, how dare someone criticize the crap teachers that every school has!!! Many teacher's (and it seems you included) think of themselves as some sort of untouchable public servant that we should all be groveling before. Many liberals do become teachers and then they DO try to indoctrinate young minds with their mental disorder. That's a FACT! It happens. Plenty of examples out there. You know what they're aren't examples of? Conservatives trying to indoctrinate students. Education dept enrollment has dropped because normal people don't want to deal with the **** kids in public schools. And then colleges lower their standards and those same **** kids show up there. And most of the time those **** kids have ****ty parents that vote democrat. HTH. You aren't above criticism. Teachers definitely aren't.

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Are there bad teachers? Sure, just like there are bad performers in every role. It is not nearly to the extent that rightists make it out to be. You also fail at reading comprehension. I never said I taught. I said I bring in millions. I'm also intimately familiar with happenings in CSISD. That said, criticism is always good if it's productive. But, in this case, your criticism is off base.

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Oh look a looney liberal making stuff up. That's what you're best at. Did I say you taught? Nope, sure didn't. you made that up. You're say I fail at reading ocomprehension? OK, Mr/Ms doesn't understand the proper use of "your".

If you don't teach at A&M, what exactly do you get paid to do? "Bring in millions". That's a cool job. "What do you do at work?" Oh, I bring in millions. LOL, yeah, OK.

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Looks to me like you did and I didn't make anything up. Moreover, your grammar criticism appears hypocritical. Get bent.

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OK, I can see that. LOL, hypocritical. I never said my grammar and use of language was perfect. Far from it. I'm also not in education. So, if you're not a teacher then you're one of those one's in education that gets paid to not teach kids.

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Are you sure he didn't just register for distance education sections? Most classes offered DE are also usually offered in person.

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I have his schedule. These aren't DE classes. They're the only sections being offered for these courses.

Freshman level classes shouldn't be offered as DE in the first place. Freshman need the on campus experience.

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That's odd. A&M? I disagree that DE shouldn't be offered even for freshmen. There are plenty of non-traditional students.

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Are you sure he didn't just register for distance education sections? Most classes offered DE are also usually offered in person.

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I have his schedule. These aren't DE classes. They're the only sections being offered for these courses.

Freshman level classes shouldn't be offered as DE in the first place. Freshman need the on campus experience.

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That's odd. A&M? I disagree that DE shouldn't be offered even for freshmen. There are plenty of non-traditional students

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He's at Tx State, and I get that to a point. I was non-traditional at A&M but stayed away from most DE classes due to the lack of value. (I refused to pay the crazy cost of A&M tuition and fees to teach myself the material)

Maybe I need to tighten my stance since there's always exceptions. If you're living on campus in a dorm, which is mandatory at most universities freshman year for the "experience", you should have to attend in person classes unless there's no other option.

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techno-ag said:

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Professors in Texas have to be at their desks every day from 8-5. If they're leading an online class, they have to do it from their office on campus, not offsite.

IHIOGA that law is widely ignored.

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That's not quite what it says. It says "40 hour work week" not 8-5.

This law was idiotic. More than that it was petty and shows just how little people understand about how colleges and faculty actually do their jobs.

I for one will show those geniuses in Austin. I'm not answering emails or texts for anyone including my online students in the evenings or Friday through Sunday after I hit my 40. Which will be Thursday some time.

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Sounds like every other government employee. Try that in the private sector and see if you still have a job.

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Spoken like someone who has no idea what college faculty do and when they work.

I don't need the Lege telling me to work 40.

I make myself available for students 9 A -9 P 7 days a week. I'm on campus 40 plus hours already M-R plus in faculty and committee meetings Fridays plus teach and interact with an online class where students ask questions in the evenings and weekend because, you know, that's when they work in online classes. So if they want to codify in Law that I work 40 hours who am I to tell them no?

This got run through committee the last week of the session without public input. The committee literally canceled it. It was petty. And they did this having no understanding of what college faculty do, how they do it or when they do it. It's pure politics.

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Would you be in favor of the legislature banning the majority of online classes?

I've worked for 3 colleges/universities over the years so am not coming at this completely blind. I think the pivot to online has been a massive disservice to today's kids and the majority of online sections should be banned.

My nephew was a freshman at SWT last fall. in 15 hours, he had 1 class actually in a classroom. The rest were online either zoom, watching pre-recorded videos, or doing modules. How is this education and why are kids/parents paying tens of thousands of dollars when professors/admin don't want to actually teach in the classroom?

Professors using pre-recorded modules over and over since 2021 is just lazy. Add on to that using AI to grade assignments, online modules provided by the publishers, etc. Kids are being cheated and college is a terrible value.

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I think the move to online classes after COVID has been a massive mistake. It was going there before, but COVID sent it into warp drive across the state and its 100% money driven.

Colleges are (were up until this session and its changed but "are" will still suffice" by student count and SCH reimbursement. If you dont have students, the State doesnt pay you. If they dont pay you, you close the doors.

If college X teaches online and students at college Y want to take the course online and College Y doesnt offer the course online, All the Y students go to X, X gets the money and Y shuts down. So everyone teaches online to capture their own students. And you dont want the course to be hard, because the students will vote with their feet to the easy school. So the education gets watered down and at the same time none of the students are taught how to learn online.

Its a massive hot mess.

I make my own content and update it regularly. That means I lecture to myself in 15-20 problem by problem increments and publish those videos. I grade my own content, meaning I expect students to drop papers in a dropbox (usually twice a week) where I grade them and give written feedback all on assessments I write. I videotape them taking online exams and catch them cheating and give 0's for it.. And before they even start the course I do training on how to be an online student. It takes dedication just to click the "play" button. They are used to getting up, eating breakfast and going to class. Clicking "play" to watch the content on your time is a very different decision and much harder thing to do. You must be highly self motivated and follow a calendar. 90% of students are not ready for this. The failure rate in Fall/Spring is very high. Summers are better.

Colleges should put massive barriers in front of students for online courses and they should only be lifted if the student can demonstrate they have sufficient skills to manage the workflow.

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Are you sure he didn't just register for distance education sections? Most classes offered DE are also usually offered in person.

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I have his schedule. These aren't DE classes. They're the only sections being offered for these courses.

Freshman level classes shouldn't be offered as DE in the first place. Freshman need the on campus experience.

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That's odd. A&M? I disagree that DE shouldn't be offered even for freshmen. There are plenty of non-traditional students

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He's at Tx State, and I get that to a point. I was non-traditional at A&M but stayed away from most DE classes due to the lack of value. (I refused to pay the crazy cost of A&M tuition and fees to teach myself the material)

Maybe I need to tighten my stance since there's always exceptions. If you're living on campus in a dorm, which is mandatory at most universities freshman year for the "experience", you should have to attend in person classes unless there's no other option.

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Requiring that students who live on-campus to attend in-person only is something I could get behind.

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I want that law for spam calls!

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Covers them too.

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I suppose it does not include political surveys and solicitations.

Re the 40 hour thing, the leg tried some years ago to mandate a virtual time clock for university employees. It didn't work. This is an unenforceable provision unless an army of hall monitors lurks around faculty offices every day M-F.

I suppose the next step could be surveillance cameras in every office to clock coming and going times. That would cost a pretty penny.

This is yet another performative act aimed at the grievance stoked and perpetually outraged. A few profs will be made examples of at random I suppose but I'm skeptical even that will occur. Even extremist activist groups like Turning Point and Texas Scorecard don't have the foot power to be hall monitors.

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techno-ag said:

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Professors in Texas have to be at their desks every day from 8-5. If they're leading an online class, they have to do it from their office on campus, not offsite.

IHIOGA that law is widely ignored.

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That's not quite what it says. It says "40 hour work week" not 8-5.

This law was idiotic. More than that it was petty and shows just how little people understand about how colleges and faculty actually do their jobs.

I for one will show those geniuses in Austin. I'm not answering emails or texts for anyone including my online students in the evenings or Friday through Sunday after I hit my 40. Which will be Thursday some time.

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Sounds like every other government employee. Try that in the private sector and see if you still have a job.

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Spoken like someone who has no idea what college faculty do and when they work.

I don't need the Lege telling me to work 40.

I make myself available for students 9 A -9 P 7 days a week. I'm on campus 40 plus hours already M-R plus in faculty and committee meetings Fridays plus teach and interact with an online class where students ask questions in the evenings and weekend because, you know, that's when they work in online classes. So if they want to codify in Law that I work 40 hours who am I to tell them no?

This got run through committee the last week of the session without public input. The committee literally canceled it. It was petty. And they did this having no understanding of what college faculty do, how they do it or when they do it. It's pure politics.

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you dont care about education. If you did you would respond to your students regardless of whay a lawmaker says. you are just a ideologue

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Spoken like someone truly ignorant of higher ed. Name me a single private sector job that requires you to answer to 100 something students. Educators must set boundaries. Not sure what the penalty is for violating this law, but I don't know a single professor that sits in their office 40 hours a week and I don't think that's going to change.

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bro your better not be education because you cant read. his boundary is he used to work outside regular hours for his students but now wontbecause he is a ideologue and wants to make students suffer because of mean lawmakers

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I suspect his comment was being smart-ass and he'll continue to work the way he has been working...

Can I still get my "Put your ass to sleep" gummies if I have any more surgery where I'm allergic to the good stuff?

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Re the 40 hour thing, the leg tried some years ago to mandate a virtual time clock for university employees. It didn't work. This is an unenforceable provision unless an army of hall monitors lurks around faculty offices every day M-F.

I suppose the next step could be surveillance cameras in every office to clock coming and going times. That would cost a pretty penny.

This is yet another performative act aimed at the grievance stoked and perpetually outraged. A few profs will be made examples of at random I suppose but I'm skeptical even that will occur. Even extremist activist groups like Turning Point and Texas Scorecard don't have the foot power to be hall monitors.

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A FlyRod appearance!

Turning Point is extremist?

In the sciences, profs are more interested in research and publishing than teaching. They'll get 40+ hours on campus no problem, but that won't all be spent with students. Not even close. It'll be in the lab or writing papers.

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The one nobody is talking about is banning the sale of all hemp derived vapes.

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I'll be back in about an hour.

Need some time to count all the ways I COULDN'T POSSIBLY GIVE A ****

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The one nobody is talking about is banning the sale of all hemp derived vapes.

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I'll be back in about an hour.

Need some time to count all the ways I COULDN'T POSSIBLY GIVE A ****

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Don't use them. But quite the riveting addition to this conversation.