GREAT NEWS!!!

I always thought Hays HS should have changed their name to "Rangers" as that is what Devil Yack actually was... he didn't participate in the Civil War anyway.

If this were anywhere other than west Texas, opposing high schools would already forfeiting football games and refusing to play against Lee.

I am a little torn on the subject.

Lee High School in Midland was named in 1961 as a snub to the SCOTUS desegregation ruling and in accord to the "Lost Cause" fallacy. On the other hand it was the will of the people of Midland then and now. It is therefor their decision.

I never stopped calling the Midland Lee.

AggieVictor10 said:

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Back to liking participation trophies it seems.

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Or democracy.

Hurt feelings are no way to run a government entity. The name should have never changed. It was peak virtue signaling.

AggieVictor10 said:

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Back to liking participation trophies it seems.

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Ironic since changing the name to Legacy is the definition of participation trophy

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I approve of this! Now if only my high school in Houston would change their name back to Lee…

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You could change your username to "Houston Wisdom."

One day when I'm retired and bored, I'd like to re-examine the fallacy of the left bemoaning about and hanging around my neck this "Lost Cause" BS. During 2020 statue, military base, and school name purging I suspected (and still do suspect) this was all gaslighting.

Still pretending to be a journalist?

sanangelo said:

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One day when I'm retired and bored, I'd like to re-examine the fallacy of the left bemoaning about and hanging around my neck this "Lost Cause" BS. During 2020 statue, military base, and school name purging I suspected (and still do suspect) this was all gaslighting.

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I recently discovered that my 3x-great grandfather, from the part of Virginia that became WV, was a Confederate soldier who died at the notorious Point Lookout prison camp in Maryland. I'm guessing he was captured at Gettysburg.

Today there exists a memorial, not at the location of the camp itself but nearby, that essential serves as a gravesite for all the soldiers who died there. It is run and maintained by the US government, but it has been stripped of almost any mentioned of the south or the Confederacy.

In response, the Sons of the Confederacy bought adjacent property and created their own Lost Cause memorial. From online, it looks to be a lot of "the South will rise again" kind of stuff.

I think both lack the proper historical perspective. I'm planning to visit the site and a few other areas nearby. I only recently learned how much family history I have in WV, going back to the end of the Revolutionary War.

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sanangelo said:

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One day when I'm retired and bored, I'd like to re-examine the fallacy of the left bemoaning about and hanging around my neck this "Lost Cause" BS. During 2020 statue, military base, and school name purging I suspected (and still do suspect) this was all gaslighting.

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I recently discovered that my 3x-great grandfather, from the part of Virginia that became WV, was a Confederate soldier who died at the notorious Point Lookout prison camp in Maryland. I'm guessing he was captured at Gettysburg.

Today there exists a memorial, not at the location of the camp itself but nearby, that essential serves as a gravesite for all the soldiers who died there. It is run and maintained by the US government, but it has been stripped of almost any mentioned of the south or the Confederacy.

In response, the Sons of the Confederacy bought adjacent property and created their own Lost Cause memorial. From online, it looks to be a lot of "the South will rise again" kind of stuff.

I think both lack the proper historical perspective. I'm planning to visit the site and a few other areas nearby. I only recently learned how much family history I have in WV, going back to the end of the Revolutionary War.

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I have a similar story.

My great-great grandfather conscripted into the CSA Georgia infantry in lieu of having one of his teenaged sons get conscripted. He was 42 at the time of his entry into the army in late 1864. He was part of Gen Joseph Johnston's and later Gen John Bell Hood's defense of Atlanta. He was on a flanking maneuver (such that it was against Sherman's army) into Decatur, Alabama when he was captured and shipped via rail car to Camp Douglas POW camp south of Chicago. He died of pneumonia there and is interred in a mass grave in Chicago.

The teenaged son he saved from conscripting into the CSA by standing in to replace him was my great grandfather.

There was no "lost cause" for my ancestors. They were victims just as everyone else was in that dirty war.

HumbleAg04 said:

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Still pretending to be a journalist?

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Only on Wednesdays.

sanangelo said:

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torrid said:

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sanangelo said:

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One day when I'm retired and bored, I'd like to re-examine the fallacy of the left bemoaning about and hanging around my neck this "Lost Cause" BS. During 2020 statue, military base, and school name purging I suspected (and still do suspect) this was all gaslighting.

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I recently discovered that my 3x-great grandfather, from the part of Virginia that became WV, was a Confederate soldier who died at the notorious Point Lookout prison camp in Maryland. I'm guessing he was captured at Gettysburg.

Today there exists a memorial, not at the location of the camp itself but nearby, that essential serves as a gravesite for all the soldiers who died there. It is run and maintained by the US government, but it has been stripped of almost any mentioned of the south or the Confederacy.

In response, the Sons of the Confederacy bought adjacent property and created their own Lost Cause memorial. From online, it looks to be a lot of "the South will rise again" kind of stuff.

I think both lack the proper historical perspective. I'm planning to visit the site and a few other areas nearby. I only recently learned how much family history I have in WV, going back to the end of the Revolutionary War.

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I have a similar story.

My great-great grandfather conscripted into the CSA Georgia infantry in lieu of having one of his teenaged sons get conscripted. He was 42 at the time of his entry into the army in late 1864. He was part of Gen Joseph Johnston's and later Gen John Bell Hood's defense of Atlanta. He was on a flanking maneuver (such that it was against Sherman's army) into Decatur, Alabama when he was captured and shipped via rail car to Camp Douglas POW camp south of Chicago. He died of pneumonia there and is interred in a mass grave in Chicago.

The teenaged son he saved from conscripting into the CSA by standing in to replace him was my great grandfather.

There was no "lost cause" for my ancestors. They were victims just as everyone else was in that dirty war.

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OK, you've given me some historical perspective. My 3x great-grandfather was 44 when he died, a buck private in the CSA. That has puzzled me. I believe his son, my 2x great-grandfather, was a teenager at the time. Maybe he similarly served in place of his son.

I also wonder why someone from the part of Virgina that formed its own state to stay in the Union joined the CSA. I don't know if they owned slaves, but I doubt it. There is probably no simple explantion. This is what history is.

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StandUpforAmerica said:

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So does this mean that Dixie will be played at the football games?

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I don't think they'll go that far.

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LOL wanna bet?

I CAN'T BREATHE

sanangelo said:

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This was an emotional piece about the name change we did back in 2020. I am so glad woke is out and common sense is back! https://t.co/inZXjxZxmG

— San Angelo LIVE! (@SanAngeloLIVE) August 13, 2025

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Any chance that Lone Star Middle School will go back to Lee?

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WestTexasAg said:

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I remember when they changed the name. There was a poll about it at the time down in Midland and the vote was 97% against the name change!

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This is pretty f'n sick.

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We have a restaurant down there. Even the black employees I talked to were not happy. One played football, and he said I played for Midland LEE not Midland Legacy. This is bull*****

Dirty_Mike&the_boys said:

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I CAN'T BREATHE

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THAT'LL HAPPEN WHEN YOU O.D. ON FENTANYL

Dirty_Mike&the_boys said:

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I CAN'T BREATHE

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If you can say "I can't breathe" for 20 minutes...you can breathe.

fc2112 said:

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I never stopped calling the Midland Lee.

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Same, and they are still the Washington Redskins and Cleveland Indians to me.

WestTexasAg said:

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Red Fishing Ag93 said:

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WestTexasAg said:

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I remember when they changed the name. There was a poll about it at the time down in Midland and the vote was 97% against the name change!

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This is pretty f'n sick.

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We have a restaurant down there. Even the black employees I talked to were not happy. One played football, and he said I played for Midland LEE not Midland Legacy. This is bull*****

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Did you not-so-kindly explain to him that his being a white supremacist isn't a good look?!?!

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96AgGrad said:

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I went to San Antonio [Robert E.] Lee. It would be nice if they changed it back, but it's not going to keep me up at night if they don't.

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San Antonio isn't a very bright city

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Don't get Charles Barkley going about San Antonio

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Let's Go Jack C. Hays Fighting Rebels!

Drop the Ravens and go back to your roots!

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Hays Hawks now. The games are bland and boring now. Too many libs live here now to go back. My wife still has a Rebel shirt the local cleaners gave to her. She didn't go there and is Hispanic. Just likes the word Rebel.

What was weird, given the context, was that they got rid of the "Lee" and kept the "Rebels".

I'm anti PC police, but this isn't a good look. If there were some legitimate connection to Lee I could see it being a good thing to retain. But the new high school was built in the early 60s, just a few years before courts forced the Midland school district to integrate. All the black teens in town were going to Carver High across town.

And when building a new high school in the middle of the civil rights movement, the school board and the community leaders fully embraced confederate icons (named after a confederate general, mascot is a rebel, fight song is Dixie, gray being a school color, and extensive use of the confederate flag). I don't see how you can see that as not being pointedly, deliberately racist at that time. And continuing to embrace it 60 years later is wrong imho.

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sanangelo said:

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This was an emotional piece about the name change we did back in 2020. I am so glad woke is out and common sense is back! https://t.co/inZXjxZxmG

— San Angelo LIVE! (@SanAngeloLIVE) August 13, 2025

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Any chance that Lone Star Middle School will go back to Lee?

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Long of the short is probably not. The presentation by San Angelo ISD school board member Max Parker pretty much axed Robert E. Lee in our town.

I was against the name change but it was difficult to argue with Mr. Parker's presentation about it. You can watch it here. It's really good.

TLDR; Parker said RE Lee became the symbol of white supremacy and instead of honoring the good man RE Lee was, the name on the school was an insult to POCs, and today Lee Middle School only had 30% white students. There were also rumblings to get rid of the elementary school, John Reagan Elementary, and Parker said, "If we agree to remove Lee's name off the middle school, the renaming B.S. stops right there. We will not entertain changing any other school's name."

The sad part is RE Lee had a history in west central Texas. His US Army assignment right before he was called back to Washington DC at the start of the Civil War was commander of the US 2nd Cav based at Fort Mason. Lt Col Lee camped along the banks of the Concho River at Camp Johnson, near present day Grape Creek.

Here's our piece on the San Angelo RE Lee controversy back then:

suburban cowboy said:

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good.

and for the record, GF was a violent criminal who died from a fentanyl overdose, not by force from Derek Chauvin (whom deserves a presidential pardon).

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I'll add...

- Epstein didn't kill himself
- Hillary had a hit list

96AgGrad said:

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I went to San Antonio [Robert E.] Lee. It would be nice if they changed it back, but it's not going to keep me up at night if they don't.

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If you're Lee class of '92 you were there when my Aggie son and daughter. Back when Lee could still play football it was fun to watch them come down the field with the band playing Dixie and Rebel Rouser.

No, it's really not difficult at all to argue with his presentation or points at all. How others perceive something (often in error or ignorance) or changing demographics are immaterial.

Any halfway educated and serious study of RE Lee shows that he is probably the greatest citizen to have ever been born in the USA, IMHO.

If we can't name schools after Lee, then they can't name schools after (insert any leftist icon here).

suburban cowboy said:

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good.

and for the record, GF was a violent criminal who died from a fentanyl overdose, not by force from Derek Chauvin (whom deserves a presidential pardon).

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He was a pregnant woman robbing piece of trash who should not be dead...but only because he should have never been let out of prison after invading a pregnant woman's home and holding her up at gunpoint.

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Equinox said:

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After changing the name to Legacy in the midst of the George Floyd nonsense, the MISD school board has voted to change the name back to Lee. Let the games begin (again)

BREAKING: Midland ISD has voted to change “Midland Legacy” back to “Midland Lee.”
It’s the first time in Texas a district has reinstated a Confederate-linked school name after removing it. pic.twitter.com/0gOzIlepgK

— Texas Football Life (@txfblife) August 13, 2025

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I approve of this! Now if only my high school in Houston would change their name back to Lee…

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Haha, you mean the Lee "Naughty Dogs"? JK

Isn't it like an ESL school now though and not really a HS?