doubledog said:

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TrumpsBarber said:

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Several of the survivors did indeed enlist in that Union regiment and they fought against their own countrymen in South Texas.

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Interesting choice of words...

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Agreed. Over 80,000 Texas men were enlisted in the CSA including thousands of conscripts. No more than 2,200 Texas citizens took the boat ride to Occupied New Orleans to enlist in the 1st through 4th (only the 1st lasted more than a year) U.S. Cavalry regiments. They were designated to invade Texas and fought their countrymen all along the coast from Galveston to Brownsville, from January 1863 to the Battle of Palmetto Ranch May 12-13, 1865.

Less than 2% of the population owned slaves.

I can assure you that 98% of the Confederate Army was not fighting so that some rich arsehole could keep his slaves.

"People owned other people. Sold them. Raped them. Beat them. Nothing cool about it."

100% right that was wrong But you are somehow OK with that exact activity going on through the border so your party can get more votes so I don't believe you are sincere about those sentiments.

Are the Rebs going back to their old helmets?

Equinox said:

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Are the Rebs going back to their old helmets?

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I will donate money to their athletic program if they do

suburban cowboy said:

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good.

and for the record, GF was a violent criminal who died from a fentanyl overdose, not by force from Derek Chauvin (whom deserves a presidential pardon).

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This post had 72 blue stars when I quoted it. Would one of the 72 people show how they know that Floyd died from a fentanyl overdose? There are people on this thread who would test positive for fentanyl. Floyd died from excessive force. You don't have to make up history just because you don't like the BLM movement. Be better. You can't just wash your hands of truth because it makes you think. Pontius Pilate tried it already.

AgDad121619 said:

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"People owned other people. Sold them. Raped them. Beat them. Nothing cool about it."

100% right that was wrong But you are somehow OK with that exact activity going on through the border so your party can get more votes so I don't believe you are sincere about those sentiments.

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What more votes are your talking about. The. Census is based on everyone in the country not just citizens.

If only is citizens are used Texas, Florida and California lose one. Ohio, Minnesota and Alabama gain one.

It's a net wash but a great false position!!!

redseven94 said:

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AgDad121619 said:

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"People owned other people. Sold them. Raped them. Beat them. Nothing cool about it."

100% right that was wrong But you are somehow OK with that exact activity going on through the border so your party can get more votes so I don't believe you are sincere about those sentiments.

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What more votes are your talking about. The. Census is based on everyone in the country not just citizens.

If only is citizens are used Texas, Florida and California lose one. Ohio, Minnesota and Alabama gain one.

It's a net wash but a great false position!!!

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Open borders just made no sense, and it was not the policy of even prior democratic administrations.

- It won't change congressional apportionment significantly.
- It harms national security.
- It harms infrastructure in both predictable and unpredictable ways (diseases, education, health care, law enforcement, etc)
- It deflects from structured immigration plans to recruit workers, offset our declining birthrates, and foments anti-immigration rhetoric
- Most people were against it.

Even if some backdoor future amnesty was part of the plan, it wouldn't affect elections that much, and bipartisan immigration reform could have brought the same number of people here legally.

It reminds me of China's Zero Covid policy. It just made no sense. Terrible miscalculations in both cases.

All that said, I don't like the fact that people blame immigrants for what's ailing this country, by pointing to every violent crime committed by a group of 15 million people. I could say more, but it's easier to just recommend everyone watch The Village. It's a pretty good movie.

94chem said:

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redseven94 said:

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AgDad121619 said:

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"People owned other people. Sold them. Raped them. Beat them. Nothing cool about it."

100% right that was wrong But you are somehow OK with that exact activity going on through the border so your party can get more votes so I don't believe you are sincere about those sentiments.

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What more votes are your talking about. The. Census is based on everyone in the country not just citizens.

If only is citizens are used Texas, Florida and California lose one. Ohio, Minnesota and Alabama gain one.

It's a net wash but a great false position!!!

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Open borders just made no sense, and it was not the policy of even prior democratic administrations.

- It won't change congressional apportionment significantly.
- It harms national security.
- It harms infrastructure in both predictable and unpredictable ways (diseases, education, health care, law enforcement, etc)
- It deflects from structured immigration plans to recruit workers, offset our declining birthrates, and foments anti-immigration rhetoric
- Most people were against it.

Even if some backdoor future amnesty was part of the plan, it wouldn't affect elections that much, and bipartisan immigration reform could have brought the same number of people here legally.

It reminds me of China's Zero Covid policy. It just made no sense. Terrible miscalculations in both cases.

All that said, I don't like the fact that people blame immigrants for what's ailing this country, by pointing to every violent crime committed by a group of 15 million people. I could say more, but it's easier to just recommend everyone watch The Village. It's a pretty good movie.

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Illegal committing crimes is bad because shouldn't even be here, go look at their crime rate we have enough issued with our homegrome crimianls why would we add to that?

redseven94 said:

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AgDad121619 said:

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"People owned other people. Sold them. Raped them. Beat them. Nothing cool about it."

100% right that was wrong But you are somehow OK with that exact activity going on through the border so your party can get more votes so I don't believe you are sincere about those sentiments.

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What more votes are your talking about. The. Census is based on everyone in the country not just citizens.

If only is citizens are used Texas, Florida and California lose one. Ohio, Minnesota and Alabama gain one.

It's a net wash but a great false position!!!

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Do you have an open border collie?

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suburban cowboy said:

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good.

and for the record, GF was a violent criminal who died from a fentanyl overdose, not by force from Derek Chauvin (whom deserves a presidential pardon).

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This post had 72 blue stars when I quoted it. Would one of the 72 people show how they know that Floyd died from a fentanyl overdose? There are people on this thread who would test positive for fentanyl. Floyd died from excessive force. You don't have to make up history just because you don't like the BLM movement. Be better. You can't just wash your hands of truth because it makes you think. Pontius Pilate tried it already.

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he did not die from excessive force its amazing people still believe this bs in 2025

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Posting this here hoping to see if any info becomes available. And trying not to make it a political post (there's a thread on F16 about that).

I'm sure most here have heard about the controversy around Midland ISD changing the name of Legacy HS back to the original Lee Rebels (it was changed to Legacy back in 2021).

They travel to Allen to open the season. I have seen some things on social media about groups planning to protest at the game. Do you think this would be a thing in Allen, Texas? I'm really not familiar with the community so I don't know.

I do know about an incident involving their quarterback last season (or maybe 2 seasons ago), where racial slurs were spray painted on the kid's house. A lot of people seemed to think it was a hoax, set up by his own family so the kid could transfer to a Frisco school without sitting out a year. Other than that I have no idea about racial issues in Allen.

We were planning on going to the game but I'd sure like to avoid any nonsense. I realize a lot of people talk crap on social media, but on the other hand nothing would surprise me these days.

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Its a major metro area. 100% there will be a bunch of idiots that drive out there to protest from all over if it gains traction. Allen HS football games have turned into a bit of a mess in general with the fights and stuff from what I've heard from a friend who's kids go there

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Stay tuned

If they can find the money to rent the protesters, there could be a large showing. At least we the taxpayers won't be paying for it now through USAID.

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94chem said:

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suburban cowboy said:

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good.

and for the record, GF was a violent criminal who died from a fentanyl overdose, not by force from Derek Chauvin (whom deserves a presidential pardon).

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This post had 72 blue stars when I quoted it. Would one of the 72 people show how they know that Floyd died from a fentanyl overdose? There are people on this thread who would test positive for fentanyl. Floyd died from excessive force. You don't have to make up history just because you don't like the BLM movement. Be better. You can't just wash your hands of truth because it makes you think. Pontius Pilate tried it already.

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he did not die from excessive force its amazing people still believe this bs in 2025

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What evidence do you have that he died from a different cause? I am a scientist. I am not afraid of evidence. George Floyd had 9 prior arrests and wasn't somebody I'd want house-sitting for me. But he died of a heart attack caused by asphyxiation.

If you believe the medical examiner was lying, covering something up, did his job poorly...I don't know how to counter that. But the medical examiner report remains the best evidence, and believing it doesn't mean I'm believing BS.

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If they can find the money to rent the protesters, there could be a large showing. At least we the taxpayers won't be paying for it now through USAID.

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This. There won't be any organic protests beyond maybe a couple of upset white California transplants. Otherwise the move and the entire movement back to normal is overwhelmingly popular. They could buy some trouble if they want but I doubt it.

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94chem said:

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redseven94 said:

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AgDad121619 said:

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"People owned other people. Sold them. Raped them. Beat them. Nothing cool about it."

100% right that was wrong But you are somehow OK with that exact activity going on through the border so your party can get more votes so I don't believe you are sincere about those sentiments.

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What more votes are your talking about. The. Census is based on everyone in the country not just citizens.

If only is citizens are used Texas, Florida and California lose one. Ohio, Minnesota and Alabama gain one.

It's a net wash but a great false position!!!

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Open borders just made no sense, and it was not the policy of even prior democratic administrations.

- It won't change congressional apportionment significantly.
- It harms national security.
- It harms infrastructure in both predictable and unpredictable ways (diseases, education, health care, law enforcement, etc)
- It deflects from structured immigration plans to recruit workers, offset our declining birthrates, and foments anti-immigration rhetoric
- Most people were against it.

Even if some backdoor future amnesty was part of the plan, it wouldn't affect elections that much, and bipartisan immigration reform could have brought the same number of people here legally.

It reminds me of China's Zero Covid policy. It just made no sense. Terrible miscalculations in both cases.

All that said, I don't like the fact that people blame immigrants for what's ailing this country, by pointing to every violent crime committed by a group of 15 million people. I could say more, but it's easier to just recommend everyone watch The Village. It's a pretty good movie.

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Illegal committing crimes is bad because shouldn't even be here, go look at their crime rate we have enough issued with our homegrome crimianls why would we add to that?

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I don't want any crimes. And removal of illegal alien criminals should be a high priority, especially those with gang ties, violent crimes, financial crimes, terroristic threats, etc. However, their actual crime rates are lower than those of natural born citizens. I suspect this is because of the epidemic of broken families in this country, with far too many of our young men growing up without fathers. By contrast, most people don't walk through the Darien Gap all excited about how they can get to El Paso and commit armed robbery and rape. Some do, to be sure...

The crimes AGAINST immigrants before they even arrive is the greater tragedy.

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Less than 2% of the population owned slaves.

I can assure you that 98% of the Confederate Army was not fighting so that some rich arsehole could keep his slaves.

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How can you assure us?

Slavery was THE central issue of states secession from the union causing the Civil War. This is well documented in the Confederate States secession letters. Slavery is mentioned in virtually every sentence.

Lee was a complex figure being native to the south. He may have been a powerful leader, but ultimately he was a leader for the wrong cause. He fought to keep black people oppressed and enslaved.

The book Demon of Unrest is about Abraham Lincoln and the start of the civil war. It really opened my eyes to the evil that was so subtly woven into the south. Mainstream ideology warped people's principles into believing they were on moral high ground to be complicit with slavery.

Most did not own slaves, but the small daily acts and beliefs combined to the ideology of keeping blacks enslaved and oppressed.

Same thing with the genocide of Jews in the 1940's. Not everyone physically threw Jews in gas chambers. Some just drove buses or trains or did paper work. Ultimately each small complicit act played a role into the movement of massive genocide.

Hitler was also a powerful leader, but a powerful leader for the wrong cause does not make him a great leader.

Loren Visser said:

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Less than 2% of the population owned slaves.

I can assure you that 98% of the Confederate Army was not fighting so that some rich arsehole could keep his slaves.

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That is 2% for the entire country, closer to 16% to 40% for the deep south. But that does not include all of the non-slave holding citizens in the south that were dependent on slavery (e.g. bankers, railroad workers, store clerks, lawyers etc.).

I think your point is that the Confederate solders were fighting for the homes and family over slavery, and that is accurate.

TrumpsBarber said:

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doubledog said:

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TrumpsBarber said:

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Several of the survivors did indeed enlist in that Union regiment and they fought against their own countrymen in South Texas.

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Interesting choice of words...

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Agreed. Over 80,000 Texas men were enlisted in the CSA including thousands of conscripts. No more than 2,200 Texas citizens took the boat ride to Occupied New Orleans to enlist in the 1st through 4th (only the 1st lasted more than a year) U.S. Cavalry regiments. They were designated to invade Texas and fought their countrymen all along the coast from Galveston to Brownsville, from January 1863 to the Battle of Palmetto Ranch May 12-13, 1865.

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Remind us, which country was each side they fighting for?

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Most did not own slaves, but the small daily acts and beliefs combined to the ideology of keeping blacks enslaved and oppressed.

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Folks in the north essentially practiced those same daily acts, and just skipped the "slavery" part. See how busing was received in Boston all the way into the 1970s.

https://www.zinnedproject.org/news/the-boston-busing-crisis-was-never-about-busing/

And then there's the Jim Crow laws firmly entrenched in the north….

https://time.com/5527029/jim-crow-plessy-history/

Mowdy Ag said:

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That was the Ole Miss arrangement. I am no fan of Ole Miss but that was far and away the best arrangement of Dixie that's ever been written. Check out "Dixie 2012" on YouTube.

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Just gave it a listen. South Garland High, before they changed from Colonels to Titans, had a version very similar to this Dixie 2012. See if you can find it on youtube. Very good.

Yes. …sounds like the same arrangement - the bugle call intro and ending flourish give it away. That tune made for a great, spirited fight song. …sad that a piece of American history in the form of an inanimate set of dots on a piece of paper have been relegated to the dust bin of history. Its demise has yet to correct any of the problems of our past.

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WestTexasAg said:

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I remember when they changed the name. There was a poll about it at the time down in Midland and the vote was 97% against the name change!

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This is pretty f'n sick.

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We have a restaurant down there. Even the black employees I talked to were not happy. One played football, and he said I played for Midland LEE not Midland Legacy. This is bull*****

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What restaurant? I'm in Midland every week.

Red Fishing Ag93 said:

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WestTexasAg said:

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I remember when they changed the name. There was a poll about it at the time down in Midland and the vote was 97% against the name change!

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This is pretty f'n sick.

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Are you ok?

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AggieVictor10 said:

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Back to liking participation trophies it seems.

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Ironic since changing the name to Legacy is the definition of participation trophy

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Why the fixation on naming things after traitorous losers is also odd but go off.

AggieVictor10 said:

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akm91 said:

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AggieVictor10 said:

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Back to liking participation trophies it seems.

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Ironic since changing the name to Legacy is the definition of participation trophy

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Why the fixation on naming things after traitorous losers is also odd but go off.

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There's lots of schools named after Obama.

Equinox said:

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AggieVictor10 said:

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akm91 said:

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AggieVictor10 said:

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Back to liking participation trophies it seems.

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Ironic since changing the name to Legacy is the definition of participation trophy

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Why the fixation on naming things after traitorous losers is also odd but go off.

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There's lots of schools named after Obama.

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Please give me a list of public high
Schools named after Obama. I will help the answer is 2.

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Equinox said:

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After changing the name to Legacy in the midst of the George Floyd nonsense, the MISD school board has voted to change the name back to Lee. Let the games begin (again)

BREAKING: Midland ISD has voted to change “Midland Legacy” back to “Midland Lee.”
It’s the first time in Texas a district has reinstated a Confederate-linked school name after removing it. pic.twitter.com/0gOzIlepgK

— Texas Football Life (@txfblife) August 13, 2025

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I approve of this! Now if only my high school in Houston would change their name back to Lee…

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....and get rid of the mariachi band.

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Apollo79 said:

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94chem said:

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suburban cowboy said:

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good.

and for the record, GF was a violent criminal who died from a fentanyl overdose, not by force from Derek Chauvin (whom deserves a presidential pardon).

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This post had 72 blue stars when I quoted it. Would one of the 72 people show how they know that Floyd died from a fentanyl overdose? There are people on this thread who would test positive for fentanyl. Floyd died from excessive force. You don't have to make up history just because you don't like the BLM movement. Be better. You can't just wash your hands of truth because it makes you think. Pontius Pilate tried it already.

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he did not die from excessive force its amazing people still believe this bs in 2025

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What evidence do you have that he died from a different cause? I am a scientist. I am not afraid of evidence. George Floyd had 9 prior arrests and wasn't somebody I'd want house-sitting for me. But he died of a heart attack caused by asphyxiation.

If you believe the medical examiner was lying, covering something up, did his job poorly...I don't know how to counter that. But the medical examiner report remains the best evidence, and believing it doesn't mean I'm believing BS.

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If you believe Chauvin got a fair trial in Minnesota then i dont know whqt to tell you, he was following Minneapolis police protocol how many others died doing that practice..Open your eyes bud

94chem said:

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Apollo79 said:

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94chem said:

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redseven94 said:

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AgDad121619 said:

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"People owned other people. Sold them. Raped them. Beat them. Nothing cool about it."

100% right that was wrong But you are somehow OK with that exact activity going on through the border so your party can get more votes so I don't believe you are sincere about those sentiments.

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What more votes are your talking about. The. Census is based on everyone in the country not just citizens.

If only is citizens are used Texas, Florida and California lose one. Ohio, Minnesota and Alabama gain one.

It's a net wash but a great false position!!!

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Open borders just made no sense, and it was not the policy of even prior democratic administrations.

- It won't change congressional apportionment significantly.
- It harms national security.
- It harms infrastructure in both predictable and unpredictable ways (diseases, education, health care, law enforcement, etc)
- It deflects from structured immigration plans to recruit workers, offset our declining birthrates, and foments anti-immigration rhetoric
- Most people were against it.

Even if some backdoor future amnesty was part of the plan, it wouldn't affect elections that much, and bipartisan immigration reform could have brought the same number of people here legally.

It reminds me of China's Zero Covid policy. It just made no sense. Terrible miscalculations in both cases.

All that said, I don't like the fact that people blame immigrants for what's ailing this country, by pointing to every violent crime committed by a group of 15 million people. I could say more, but it's easier to just recommend everyone watch The Village. It's a pretty good movie.

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Illegal committing crimes is bad because shouldn't even be here, go look at their crime rate we have enough issued with our homegrome crimianls why would we add to that?

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I don't want any crimes. And removal of illegal alien criminals should be a high priority, especially those with gang ties, violent crimes, financial crimes, terroristic threats, etc. However, their actual crime rates are lower than those of natural born citizens. I suspect this is because of the epidemic of broken families in this country, with far too many of our young men growing up without fathers. By contrast, most people don't walk through the Darien Gap all excited about how they can get to El Paso and commit armed robbery and rape. Some do, to be sure...

The crimes AGAINST immigrants before they even arrive is the greater tragedy.

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Sure man tell that to families who have lost loved one to illegals oh dont worry they still commit less crimes than native born…Also you believe the stats on illegal crimes??? I don't im sure they are cooked or under reported especially in blue cities

Equinox said:

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AggieVictor10 said:

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akm91 said:

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AggieVictor10 said:

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Back to liking participation trophies it seems.

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Ironic since changing the name to Legacy is the definition of participation trophy

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Why the fixation on naming things after traitorous losers is also odd but go off.

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There's lots of schools named after Obama.

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Ih no, not Obama

redseven94 said:

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AgDad121619 said:

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"People owned other people. Sold them. Raped them. Beat them. Nothing cool about it."

100% right that was wrong But you are somehow OK with that exact activity going on through the border so your party can get more votes so I don't believe you are sincere about those sentiments.

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What more votes are your talking about. The. Census is based on everyone in the country not just citizens.

If only is citizens are used Texas, Florida and California lose one. Ohio, Minnesota and Alabama gain one.

It's a net wash but a great false position!!!

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nice deflection - your support of open borders is support for all of the rape , child trafficking, and extortion by the cartels on the immigrants that yall just conveniently ignore. Because you really aren't against slavery or you would not endorse Bidens invasion. it is just a talking point in the continuous gaslighting that all dems practice.

Why do you all keep feeding the leftist trolls? There are always a few around and they are basically just contrarian attention *****s. You aren't going to win them over. Same BS has been going on for about 30 years on this board (i forget the exact year we all came over from GoBig12).

AgDad121619 said:

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redseven94 said:

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AgDad121619 said:

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"People owned other people. Sold them. Raped them. Beat them. Nothing cool about it."

100% right that was wrong But you are somehow OK with that exact activity going on through the border so your party can get more votes so I don't believe you are sincere about those sentiments.

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What more votes are your talking about. The. Census is based on everyone in the country not just citizens.

If only is citizens are used Texas, Florida and California lose one. Ohio, Minnesota and Alabama gain one.

It's a net wash but a great false position!!!

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nice deflection - your support of open borders is support for all of the rape , child trafficking, and extortion by the cartels on the immigrants that yall just conveniently ignore. Because you really aren't against slavery or you would not endorse Bidens invasion. it is just a talking point in the continuous gaslighting that all dems practice.

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I have no support for open borders. Zero.

What are talking about?