sanangelo said:

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One day when I'm retired and bored, I'd like to re-examine the fallacy of the left bemoaning about and hanging around my neck this "Lost Cause" BS. During 2020 statue, military base, and school name purging I suspected (and still do suspect) this was all gaslighting.

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It is not a left/right issue. The "Lost Cause" myth is not an accurate account of the causes and the execution of the U.S. Civil war. The "Lost Cause" scenario was originally put forth, after R.E. Lee's death, by two failed confederates.

A good book to read on the subject is "The Myth of the Lost Cause: Why the South Fought the Civil War and Why the North Won" Edward H. Bonekemper. This is a non-bias book that presents the facts in a clear and precise manner.

https://www.amazon.com/Myth-Lost-Cause-Fought-Collection/dp/168451360X/

Now do Robert E. Lee and John Tyler.

Don't understand the urge to attach a loser's name to a football team, but it's up to the community.

txwxman said:

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Don't understand the urge to attach a loser's name to a football team, but it's up to the community.

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Guessing we should dig everybody up at Arlington National Cemetery and intern them elsewhere, after all that was the losers prewar family home and land.

Doesn't take effect until the 2026-2027 school year.

Ten bucks says it comes up for a vote again.

I'll take that bet lol

Hell yea, maybe there is hope for us lee grads in houston.

Squadron7 said:

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Doesn't take effect until the 2026-2027 school year.

Ten bucks says it comes up for a vote again.

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Knowing the instigators of the first name change, I fully expect CNN or MSDNC to show up any day now to get right in the middle of it.

I'm gonna start a petition to change my high school's name back to the Yankee Killers.

Sadly, Houston's Lee High School is never coming back. I went to rival Lamar and almost married one Lee girl, then later did marry another. Their band used to wear confederate inspired uniforms and played Dixie at football games. Its some kind of ESL school with a different name now. All the upper-middle class white kids are long gone.

Anyhow, good on Midland. Permian/Lee is a classic rivalry and those names should remain.

txwxman said:

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Don't understand the urge to attach a loser's name to a football team, but it's up to the community.

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Lee may have lost the final battle, but he won the peace. Lee's actions after the war went a long way to heal a divided nation. So for that, Lee deserves recognition and respect. I would like to see more statues of Lee the educator and citizen, rather than that of a soldier (queue Sol Ross).

Equinox said:

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Squadron7 said:

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Doesn't take effect until the 2026-2027 school year.

Ten bucks says it comes up for a vote again.

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Knowing the instigators of the first name change, I fully expect CNN or MSDNC to show up any day now to get right in the middle of it.

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Absolutely. This is not an issue thing. This is an industry thing.

Now maybe the Refugio Mighty Bobcats Marching Band will bring back their rendition of DIXIE! Go Cats Go!

That was the Ole Miss arrangement. I am no fan of Ole Miss but that was far and away the best arrangement of Dixie that's ever been written. Check out "Dixie 2012" on YouTube.

Apollo79 said:

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i dont feel safe

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None of us do!!! This is worse than the Holocaust / libs

doubledog said:

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sanangelo said:

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One day when I'm retired and bored, I'd like to re-examine the fallacy of the left bemoaning about and hanging around my neck this "Lost Cause" BS. During 2020 statue, military base, and school name purging I suspected (and still do suspect) this was all gaslighting.

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It is not a left/right issue. The "Lost Cause" myth is not an accurate account of the causes and the execution of the U.S. Civil war. The "Lost Cause" scenario was originally put forth, after R.E. Lee's death, by two failed confederates.

A good book to read on the subject is "The Myth of the Lost Cause: Why the South Fought the Civil War and Why the North Won" Edward H. Bonekemper. This is a non-bias book that presents the facts in a clear and precise manner.

https://www.amazon.com/Myth-Lost-Cause-Fought-Collection/dp/168451360X/

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The "Lost Cause" was used as a cudgel to silence opponents of removing Sully or changing school names from RE Lee and opposing statue takedowns. I am suspicious. Likely it was MISUSED as an argument. I didn't dig into its history so thanks for the book rec. --joe

Stop bringing logic to angry people that feel like they have been hurt for being white!!!

sanangelo said:

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doubledog said:

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sanangelo said:

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One day when I'm retired and bored, I'd like to re-examine the fallacy of the left bemoaning about and hanging around my neck this "Lost Cause" BS. During 2020 statue, military base, and school name purging I suspected (and still do suspect) this was all gaslighting.

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It is not a left/right issue. The "Lost Cause" myth is not an accurate account of the causes and the execution of the U.S. Civil war. The "Lost Cause" scenario was originally put forth, after R.E. Lee's death, by two failed confederates.

A good book to read on the subject is "The Myth of the Lost Cause: Why the South Fought the Civil War and Why the North Won" Edward H. Bonekemper. This is a non-bias book that presents the facts in a clear and precise manner.

https://www.amazon.com/Myth-Lost-Cause-Fought-Collection/dp/168451360X/

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The "Lost Cause" was used as a cudgel to silence opponents of removing Sully or changing school names from RE Lee and opposing statue takedowns. I am suspicious. Likely it was MISUSED as an argument. I didn't dig into its history so thanks for the book rec. --joe

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It was misused (and misunderstood) by the left. In the case of Sully, his statue is that of an educator and administrator, not a confederate solder. As I said, Lee does deserve our respect for the honor and compassion he showed after the war.

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txwxman said:

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Don't understand the urge to attach a loser's name to a football team, but it's up to the community.

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Lee may have lost the final battle, but he won the peace. Lee's actions after the war went a long way to heal a divided nation. So for that, Lee deserves recognition and respect. I would like to see more statues of Lee the educator and citizen, rather than that of a soldier (queue Sol Ross).

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He was a traitor. Would you support Benedict Arnold High. The schools names, statues and even the battle flag were borne out of the segregation and Jim Crow movements in the 1950s-1960 with roots in the KKK.

This isn't historically significant stuff. Just racist stuff that needs to go back to sleep.

redseven94 said:

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He was a traitor.

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They were fighting for America.

fc2112 said:

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redseven94 said:

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He was a traitor.

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They were fighting for America.

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For the right of Americans to own other humans!

In all 11 articles of confederation. Same argument used now for abortion. Are you okay with slavery returning if the majority of Texans vote for it?

redseven94 said:

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doubledog said:

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txwxman said:

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Don't understand the urge to attach a loser's name to a football team, but it's up to the community.

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Lee may have lost the final battle, but he won the peace. Lee's actions after the war went a long way to heal a divided nation. So for that, Lee deserves recognition and respect. I would like to see more statues of Lee the educator and citizen, rather than that of a soldier (queue Sol Ross).

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He was a traitor. Would you support Benedict Arnold High. The schools names, statues and even the battle flag were borne out of the segregation and Jim Crow movements in the 1950s-1960 with roots in the KKK.

This isn't historically significant stuff. Just racist stuff that needs to go back to sleep.

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He is only a traitor if you are from the North. He is not a traitor here in Texas. Virtually every military aged male would have decided to fight for their individual state. Lee was no different.

It is idiotic to argue otherwise. Now had he fought against. Virginia, you are correct that he would have been a traitor.

What was he fighting for? The right to own humans and their offspring. That makes him an a**. Not some noble hero protecting his homeland.

The south started the war at Fort Sumter. It was treason. Pure and simple.

Give me a modern example of a state ceding then starting a war with the US government that wouldn't be seen as treason?

The daughters of the confederacy started running school boards in the south in the 1930s. They were an offshoot wives group of the KKK.

They were able to rewrite textbooks espousing what you are claiming. In the south we were all indoctrinated to this fake nostalgic version of the south with big dresses and ice tea. And this kind benevolent slave owners that just wanted to protect their plantations.

People owned other people. Sold them. Raped them. Beat them. Nothing cool about it.

The schools named after Lee or other confederates were primarily opened in a window from 1950-1965 to remind the black citizens who was in charge in their area.

Defending it 160 years later is baffling but does show how history can be whitewashed to meet the needs of the people in power.

redseven94 said:

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What was he fighting for? The right to own humans and their offspring. That makes him an a**. Not some noble hero protecting his homeland.

The south started the war at Fort Sumter. It was treason. Pure and simple.

Give me a modern example of a state ceding then starting a war with the US government that wouldn't be seen as treason?

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He was fighting for his home. You do not seem to understand that time. Back then it was the United States ARE. Now it is the United States IS.

Allegiance was to his home and his fiends and neighbors. We will revert back to that one day.

redseven94 said:

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doubledog said:

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txwxman said:

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Don't understand the urge to attach a loser's name to a football team, but it's up to the community.

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Lee may have lost the final battle, but he won the peace. Lee's actions after the war went a long way to heal a divided nation. So for that, Lee deserves recognition and respect. I would like to see more statues of Lee the educator and citizen, rather than that of a soldier (queue Sol Ross).

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He was a traitor. Would you support Benedict Arnold High. The schools names, statues and even the battle flag were borne out of the segregation and Jim Crow movements in the 1950s-1960 with roots in the KKK.

This isn't historically significant stuff. Just racist stuff that needs to go back to sleep.

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The founding fathers were traitors whats your point...The civil war its causes, who fought is so nuanced I don't expect the sheeple to understand

redseven94 said:

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The daughters of the confederacy started running school boards in the south in the 1930s. They were an offshoot wives group of the KKK.

They were able to rewrite textbooks espousing what you are claiming. In the south we were all indoctrinated to this fake nostalgic version of the south with big dresses and ice tea. And this kind benevolent slave owners that just wanted to protect their plantations.

People owned other people. Sold them. Raped them. Beat them. Nothing cool about it.

The schools named after Lee or other confederates were primarily opened in a window from 1950-1965 to remind the black citizens who was in charge in their area.

Defending it 160 years later is baffling but does show how history can be whitewashed to meet the needs of the people in power.

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what history is being whitewashed? Why does the name of a school bother you?

redseven94 said:

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He was a traitor. Would you support Benedict Arnold High.

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boot monument proves we can honor the good things people did even if we dont like them

It's been 160 years. 100 years later racist, segregationist evoked a false narrative about the south that you are defending. It was about preserving their right to own other people as stated in all 11 articles of seccession.

My position isn't PC it's MC. Morally correct.

You defend the men who fought and died for their homeland to own humans. Not b on my bingo card.

Why does it bother you that Ii see powerful, wealthy people who thought that a system of rudimentary subjugation of other humans purely based on their birth pigmentation was "right"?

They literally commissioned the rewriting of children's textbooks to show the south as this wonderful melting pot where slaves and slave owners laughed and played together

I don't begrudge those people. They did what they knew. Find it interesting that people in 2025 work so hard to defend them though...

redseven94 said:

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It's been 160 years. 100 years later racist, segregationist evoked a false narrative about the south that you are defending. It was about preserving their right to own other people as stated in all 11 articles of seccession.

My position isn't PC it's MC. Morally correct.

You defend the men who fought and died for their homeland to own humans. Not b on my bingo card.

Why does it bother you that Ii see powerful, wealthy people who thought that a system of rudimentary subjugation of other humans purely based on their birth pigmentation was "right"?

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this is pure drivel, you really dont know much about the civil war and the people who fought in it, just left wing nonsense

Thomas Jefferson and George Washington owned do you want them erased too? Ever heard of the fallacy presentism?

Please tell me about the wonderful slave owners that fought for their "rights".

Call all the names you want. Idk. It was wrong and is wrong.

redseven94 said:

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Please tell me about the wonderful slave owners that fought for their "rights".

Call all the names you want. Idk. It was wrong and is wrong.

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avoided all my questions and I didn't call you any names you have the position of left wingers who really dont understand history.

You don't strike me as a historian.

And good for Midland Lee.

Poot said:

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You don't strike me as a historian.

And good for Midland Lee.

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Yeah he doesn't get it but it makes him feel good having supposedly the moral high ground...lol