**** NFA Lawsuit Filed - Silencer Shop, et al v. ATF, et al. *****

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So this case isn't meant to toss the entirely unconstitutional NFA?

Move along, nothing will happen. The only solution is the constitution.
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Ran a PACER report. Some Pro Hac filings and other preliminary stuff, but nothing substantive.
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Texas joins the fight.

https://www.breitbart.com/2nd-amendment/2025/08/11/texas-14-other-states-join-lawsuit-eliminate-nfa-registration-rules/
The left cannot kill the Spirit of Charlie Kirk.
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Motion for Summary Judgment filed. Good stuff!

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.txnd.406278/gov.uscourts.txnd.406278.49.0.pdf

Pam Bondi has filed a motion to stay proceedings. Judge granted extension of time for Defendant to respond to Oct. 29th. Good guys will file a response after that. Not sure if there will be any oral argument. After that, we get our ruling but then there will be appeals, perhaps up to the Supremes.
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If Bondi messes this one up she needs to go.
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javajaws said:

If Bondi messes this one up she needs to go.

She's on the wrong side! We want her to mess up. She's defending ATF.
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Quote:

Silencer Shop Foundation wishes to make and acquire silencers, short-barreled rifles, and short-barreled shotguns for demonstration and educational purposes, among other reasons

Oh boy. That's awesome.

I, too, want suppressors for "educational purposes."

Also an SBR would be very educational for whomever decides to enter your house/bedroom at night..
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GeorgiAg said:

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Silencer Shop Foundation wishes to make and acquire silencers, short-barreled rifles, and short-barreled shotguns for demonstration and educational purposes, among other reasons

Oh boy. That's awesome.

I, too, want suppressors for "educational purposes."


I just want them cause I don't like earplugs
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Here, the Government notes 3,536,623 silencers,7 870,286 short-barreled rifles, 165,180 short-barreled shotguns, and 88,149 "any other weapons" registered nationwide as of May 2024

I wonder how many of those are owned by Aggies. And what the SEC breakdown would be.
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extension of time granted to ATF to respond to brief to mid-November.
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More than 10 and less than 100 for me.
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Ed Harley said:

Very weak Original Complaint for such a big issue.
GOA has been waiting for years to file this lawsuit. They were smart to limit their complaint strictly to the removal of the tax. If they challenge the NFA on the broader second amendment grounds and lose, we wind up in a worse place than if they hadn't filed at all.

Personally I want to see someone sue the state of Texas for taxing firearms and ammunition on the grounds that since the right to keep and bare arms was declared an individual right in Heller, taxation is now an infringement on individual rights.

But I suspect that is the next step with constitutional carry being the last step in restoring the Second Amendment.
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GeorgiAg said:

javajaws said:

If Bondi messes this one up she needs to go.

She's on the wrong side! We want her to mess up. She's defending ATF.

Why can't we get the government to sandbag the case? You know that if it was dem administration with a leftist suit against a conservative law, that's exactly what would happen.
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Burrus86 said:



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P.H. Dexippus said:

GeorgiAg said:

javajaws said:

If Bondi messes this one up she needs to go.

She's on the wrong side! We want her to mess up. She's defending ATF.

Why can't we get the government to sandbag the case? You know that if it was dem administration with a leftist suit against a conservative law, that's exactly what would happen.


She has a duty to at least appear to be making an effort. So if she's good she will sandbag and we won't know about it. Plus the plaintiffs selected northern district of Texas for a reason. The real fight will be at the Supreme Court.
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Pizza said:

Burrus86 said:






I definitely like Trump more but am still not happy with the deficit. I also quit watching MSM. It's amazing the difference not hearing their spin. Get my news here or on X.

I also learned to just ignore all the crazy **** he says and just focus on the outcome. Can't wait for DeSantis or Vance where we won't have the crazy. I know ya probably enjoy it.
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It would be awesome to walk in the store and walk out with a suppressor.
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Updates:

Response and cross MSJ by Bondi/U.S.:
gov.uscourts.txnd.406278.60.0.pdf

Reply Brief filed by the Good Guys:
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.txnd.406278/gov.uscourts.txnd.406278.75.0.pdf

I just skimmed through them, but I like our chances. No idea when the Court will rule. Maybe a Christmas miracle?

Wives/GF: "You are so hard to buy for Christmas!"

[summary judgment to the good guys]

"I want suppressors for my next 5 birthdays and Christmases." Easy. Here's a list. Now you just walk in and buy them.
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Update:

This case is moving like molasses in February.

Oral arguments on cross-motions for summary judgement were argued before the Court on July 7th. July 13th they posted on PACER that the transcript would be available for reading in 90 days. (Good grief). Hopefully we get a ruling before then.

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I couldn't wait. Finalized my submission to the ATF today. Will see how long it takes.
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GeorgiAg said:

Update:

This case is moving like molasses in February.

Oral arguments on cross-motions for summary judgement were argued before the Court on July 7th. July 13th they posted on PACER that the transcript would be available for reading in 90 days. (Good grief). Hopefully we get a ruling before then.





You think that's slow? You must just be in state court! LOL

I'm Gipper
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I'm Gipper
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Im Gipper said:





waaa? It's out? Cool! I can't wait to read. Don't let me down, Judge Jimmy Hendrix!

Here is the link on Courtlistener:

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.txnd.406278/gov.uscourts.txnd.406278.137.0_1.pdf
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Judgment stayed for 7 days. ATF will appeal.



However, great win for the good guys!







kyledr04
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Just saw that and came looking here. I'm not sure I understand. So you need a stamp or not?
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kyledr04 said:

Just saw that and came looking here. I'm not sure I understand. So you need a stamp or not?

The ruling is specific to the plaintiff and customers. Seven day stay means you can't go to your sporting goods store and buy one and go home same day just yet. ATF will likely appeal. Boo.

But if this ruling stands, there it eventually will mean the end of NFA for suppressors and SBRs!
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I have a Silencer Shop suppressor in jail now, so I'm technically a "plaintiff."

I think I also joined whatever way back when.

Gimme my can, now!
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GeorgiAg said:

kyledr04 said:

Just saw that and came looking here. I'm not sure I understand. So you need a stamp or not?

The ruling is specific to the plaintiff and customers. Seven day stay means you can't go to your sporting goods store and buy one and go home same day just yet. ATF will likely appeal. Boo.

But if this ruling stands, there it eventually will mean the end of NFA for suppressors and SBRs!


My biggest disappointment with Trump would be his refusal to abolish the ATF. No government department is more worthless than the aholes who work there.
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GeorgiAg said:

Pizza said:

Burrus86 said:







I definitely like Trump more but am still not happy with the deficit. I also quit watching MSM. It's amazing the difference not hearing their spin. Get my news here or on X.

I also learned to just ignore all the crazy **** he says and just focus on the outcome. Can't wait for DeSantis or Vance where we won't have the crazy. I know ya probably enjoy it.

What happened to you? I like it, but seriously, what happened?
harge57
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deddog said:

GeorgiAg said:

Pizza said:

Burrus86 said:







I definitely like Trump more but am still not happy with the deficit. I also quit watching MSM. It's amazing the difference not hearing their spin. Get my news here or on X.

I also learned to just ignore all the crazy **** he says and just focus on the outcome. Can't wait for DeSantis or Vance where we won't have the crazy. I know ya probably enjoy it.

What happened to you? I like it, but seriously, what happened?


COVID broke people. Not really their fault but he has a long journey back to normalcy..
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GeorgiAg said:

kyledr04 said:

Just saw that and came looking here. I'm not sure I understand. So you need a stamp or not?

The ruling is specific to the plaintiff and customers. Seven day stay means you can't go to your sporting goods store and buy one and go home same day just yet. ATF will likely appeal. Boo.

But if this ruling stands, there it eventually will mean the end of NFA for suppressors and SBRs!

Then someone slide into Don Jr. DMs and tell him to tell his dad to ensure the ATF does not appeal the decision.
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GeorgiAg said:

kyledr04 said:

Just saw that and came looking here. I'm not sure I understand. So you need a stamp or not?

The ruling is specific to the plaintiff and customers. Seven day stay means you can't go to your sporting goods store and buy one and go home same day just yet. ATF will likely appeal. Boo.

But if this ruling stands, there it eventually will mean the end of NFA for suppressors and SBRs!


How does the NFA go away for everyone if the ruling applies only to the current plaintiff and customers? Assuming NFA doesn't appeal or appeals and loses?

How much longer until we can simply go buy one off the shelf?
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bkag9824 said:

GeorgiAg said:

kyledr04 said:

Just saw that and came looking here. I'm not sure I understand. So you need a stamp or not?

The ruling is specific to the plaintiff and customers. Seven day stay means you can't go to your sporting goods store and buy one and go home same day just yet. ATF will likely appeal. Boo.

But if this ruling stands, there it eventually will mean the end of NFA for suppressors and SBRs!


How does the NFA go away for everyone if the ruling applies only to the current plaintiff and customers? Assuming NFA doesn't appeal or appeals and loses?

How much longer until we can simply go buy one off the shelf?

The wheels of justice move slowly, but they grind fine.... If the ATF appeals, ugh. Appellate Courts take forever. Potentially months, years. ATF not appealing would be a miracle.

This is the first domino. You really think only one company is going to be able to sell suppressors/SBRs? If this ruling sticks, it will all go away.

The ATF will change their rules for all or everyone else files a lawsuit citing the S.Ct. decision (if appealed and we win) ... yada yada yada.
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Imagine being able to order a suppressor over the internet with no special permissions or hassle. The free market would bring down prices quick on these things.
 
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