Experts debunk Texas flood cloud seeding conspiracy theory after deadly rains

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IIIHorn
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FobTies said:

Tectonic uplift, then seafloor deposits and erosion formed the Texes hill country. Did subsequent rainfall erosion "weather" the region, of course. Did it form the hills and canyons? No

Tesla claimed constant flooding over a colloquial amount of time carved out the Hill Country bc its limestone. Claiming rainfall runoff from hills erodes the land is one thing, claiming rain or flooding creates the topography is another. But feels like its now splitting hairs on dead horse.


So , the limestone was taken for granite?
DDub74
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A little early for jokes much less terrible ones like this.
jakeaggie84
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What are the benefits of cloud seeding? And the problems? Does one outweigh the other? And if we aren't sure maybe we should stop until we know.
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Buck Turgidson said:

I don't have any idea if this particular theory (cloud seeding in Texas) is true, but have you noticed we keep having huge disasters in areas that are considered highly desirable? Hawaii, Santa Monica/Pacific Palisades, Smokey Mountains, Guadalupe River... Then look at the intentional mismanagement of expensive urban cores like Manhattan and San Francisco that are driving tenants out and pushing landlords into bankruptcy. A well capitalized investment fund could buy up a lot of prime real estate at an attractive discount.
You say you don't know if the cloud seeding is true, but based on the rest of your post, you clearly think it is, and there was some kind of nefarious reason why it was done. It sounds just like the Blackrock Hurricane Helene conspiracy.

Natural disasters occur across this country. Some happen in "desirable" areas while plenty of others happen in areas that are not desirable, or are only somewhat.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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jakeaggie84 said:

What are the benefits of cloud seeding? And the problems? Does one outweigh the other? And if we aren't sure maybe we should stop until we know.
It has been done for well over 50 years. It is not something people came up with a few years ago. There is plenty of experience and information about how it works.

The benefits are causing some rain to fall in an area in drought.

The problem is it doesn't always work.

I saw your posts on the OB and people answered your questions there, but you dismissed them because it isn't what you wanted to hear.

And has been pointed out on this thread multiple times, there was NO cloud seeding over or near Kerr County. The closest location was 150 miles away, and it is simply not possible for that to have caused a single extra drop of rain to fall on the 4th.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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I didn't say anything about Kerr county. I'm asking if the reward outweigh the risk or not. Nobody has answered that. I'm not trying to argue. I'm curious why we are doing something and paying tax payer money if it doesn't work.

Would love to get your opinion, rapier.

Does it work? If so what percent of the time? Are there zero risks to the population, both toxins being released and potential weather that can't be controlled.

Simple questions that we should know before trying it out. If it has been done for 50+ years, we should have answers.

Do you think I am crazy for wanting those questions answered?
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Ridiculous theory
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Queso1 said:

I dont know anything about this. But always remember that there was a time when when people on this site would call you a loon for saying Covid escaped the lab and that the vax didn't do crap.

You know who you are and you created a whole lot of conspiracy theorists that previously minded their own business and followed the corporate media narrative.
Cloud seeding produces localized rain, the seeding occurred down river from the rivers that flooded. Unless they were lying about their flight pattern, it was impossible for cloud seeding to be the cause
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DDub74 said:

A little early for jokes much less terrible ones like this.


I apologize and pray that any of your friends and family were not affected.
atmtws
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If cloud seeding is so ineffective, why do it? Seems like a huge waste of money for such high risk. Who's funding it? The taxpayers? Or farmers? I wouldn't waste my money on it knowing it didn't work....unless these companies are engineering something new that isn't being let out to the public. Saharan sand travels thousands of miles across the ocean into the gulf every year. You don't think a little powder in the air released right before a ton of moisture moves in could have an effect a hundred miles away? That seems like the prime time to release it. Not when conditions are dry and unlikely to rain at all. I didn't know this was still a thing. Seems to me these companies must be onto something in order to still be in business with such a bad track record.
DDub74
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all good thanks. good dad joke though. A little sensitive around here since we know a lot of people affected.
IIIHorn
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Thank you for your patience with me.
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atmtws said:

If cloud seeding is so ineffective, why do it? Seems like a huge waste of money for such high risk. Who's funding it? The taxpayers? Or farmers? I wouldn't waste my money on it knowing it didn't work....unless these companies are engineering something new that isn't being let out to the public. Saharan sand travels thousands of miles across the ocean into the gulf every year. You don't think a little powder in the air released right before a ton of moisture moves in could have an effect a hundred miles away? That seems like the prime time to release it. Not when conditions are dry and unlikely to rain at all. I didn't know this was still a thing. Seems to me these companies must be onto something in order to still be in business with such a bad track record.


Because there is not now, nor has there ever been a "risk" associated with it.

The only "risk" is brokebrained conspiraloons without a basic understanding of the hydrologic cycle, (or correlation and causation), spreading fabricated fear mongering lies on the internet.

It has exactly as much risk as peeing in the gulf inTexas, has of causing a hurricane to hit Florida.
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SunrayAg said:

atmtws said:

If cloud seeding is so ineffective, why do it? Seems like a huge waste of money for such high risk. Who's funding it? The taxpayers? Or farmers? I wouldn't waste my money on it knowing it didn't work....unless these companies are engineering something new that isn't being let out to the public. Saharan sand travels thousands of miles across the ocean into the gulf every year. You don't think a little powder in the air released right before a ton of moisture moves in could have an effect a hundred miles away? That seems like the prime time to release it. Not when conditions are dry and unlikely to rain at all. I didn't know this was still a thing. Seems to me these companies must be onto something in order to still be in business with such a bad track record.


Because there is not now, nor has there ever been a "risk" associated with it.

The only "risk" is brokebrained conspiraloons without a basic understanding of the hydrologic cycle, (or correlation and causation), spreading fabricated fear mongering lies on the internet.

It has exactly as much risk as peeing in the gulf inTexas, has of causing a hurricane to hit Florida.


You could have been a bit more diplomatic like me
94chem,
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GeorgiAg said:

It's because Texas uses water on its crops. Texas needs to start using Brawndo. It has electrolytes. it has what plants crave.


Well why would plants want water, like out of the toilet?
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SunrayAg said:

atmtws said:

If cloud seeding is so ineffective, why do it? Seems like a huge waste of money for such high risk. Who's funding it? The taxpayers? Or farmers? I wouldn't waste my money on it knowing it didn't work....unless these companies are engineering something new that isn't being let out to the public. Saharan sand travels thousands of miles across the ocean into the gulf every year. You don't think a little powder in the air released right before a ton of moisture moves in could have an effect a hundred miles away? That seems like the prime time to release it. Not when conditions are dry and unlikely to rain at all. I didn't know this was still a thing. Seems to me these companies must be onto something in order to still be in business with such a bad track record.


Because there is not now, nor has there ever been a "risk" associated with it.

The only "risk" is brokebrained conspiraloons without a basic understanding of the hydrologic cycle, (or correlation and causation), spreading fabricated fear mongering lies on the internet.

It has exactly as much risk as peeing in the gulf inTexas, has of causing a hurricane to hit Florida.

Please, explain it to us in detail. And while you're at it, answer the first question in the post you responded to. If cloud seeding is the equivalent of peeing in the Gulf of Mexico, why do it?
GAC06
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Yeah! And if the earth is round, why aren't we all sliding off?!?!
El Gallo Blanco
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This thread seems to defer to "trusting the experts". Sorry but the "experts" just recently discovered that the China virus came from the lab. They also told us it was ok to protest and riot during the height of a pandemic as long as it was for a progressive cause, that men can get pregnant, and that your vaccine would magically work if your neighbor got theirs.

Sorry, but if I'm going to be trusting any experts, they better openly state that they are right of middle.
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Covid was the best thing that ever happened to the conspiracy theory crowd. Now they can frame every argument around "well, they lied to us about Covid, so they're surely lying about [insert favorite conspiracy theory here]"
Ag in Tiger Country
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Nevermind folks; I was WRONG! Just like the confirmed cloud seeding done 2 days prior to the Kerrville floods (https://www.facebook.com/100053937084115/posts/1231087478699143/) the Dubai floods happened solely because of climate change & NOT cloud seeding, which Dubai performed 2 days before their big flood.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-68839043

So ignore the coincidences; cloud seeding doesn't work worth a damn! Accordingly, don't hire these guys: the North American Weather Modification Council, as their efforts won't amount to jack squat!! http://www.nawmc.org/

Also, look at their map where they did perform cloud seeding in Texas; any "successes" were either happenstance or due to climate change!

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Ag in Tiger Country said:

the Dubai floods happened solely because of climate change & NOT cloud seeding, which Dubai performed 2 days before their big flood.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-68839043



From the article: "BBC Weather meteorologist Matt Taylor also noted the severe weather event had already been forecast. "Ahead of the event, computer models (that don't factor in potential cloud seeding effects) were already predicting well over a year's worth of rain to fall in around 24 hours," he said."
94chem
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You've gone flat-earth. Get some help. Oh, that's right, you can't. It would require an expert. Man, IDK what to tell you.
94chem,
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Duckhook said:

Covid was the best thing that ever happened to the conspiracy theory crowd. Now they can frame every argument around "well, they lied to us about Covid, so they're surely lying about [insert favorite conspiracy theory here]"


Yeah, I lost a friend to Covid last year. Just like I lost 2 friends 2 swine flu about 15 years ago. This Covid victim was early 40's, active, healthy, not somebody you'd expect to have problems with it. But unlike the swine flu victims, he was so far down the rabbit hole that he couldn't even admit it was real. So strange how someone can seem so normal on the outside, but be broken enough to not seek medical care.
94chem,
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Duckhook said:

Covid was the best thing that ever happened to the conspiracy theory crowd. Now they can frame every argument around "well, they lied to us about Covid, so they're surely lying about [insert favorite conspiracy theory here]"

The number of so-called conspiracies that have now been proven true is a longer list than just covid.
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El Gallo Blanco said:

This thread seems to defer to "trusting the experts". Sorry but the "experts" just recently discovered that the China virus came from the lab. They also told us it was ok to protest and riot during the height of a pandemic as long as it was for a progressive cause, that men can get pregnant, and that your vaccine would magically work if your neighbor got theirs.

Sorry, but if I'm going to be trusting any experts, they better openly state that they are right of middle.


Do you really need an "expert" to tell you that airborne particles won't travel 150 miles against prevailing winds from a tropical storm?
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GeorgiAg said:

Cloud seeding is to global warming as vaccines is to autism.



FIFY
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Social media may be the worst thing to happen to mankind.
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Duckhook said:

Ag in Tiger Country said:

the Dubai floods happened solely because of climate change & NOT cloud seeding, which Dubai performed 2 days before their big flood.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-68839043



From the article: "BBC Weather meteorologist Matt Taylor also noted the severe weather event had already been forecast. "Ahead of the event, computer models (that don't factor in potential cloud seeding effects) were already predicting well over a year's worth of rain to fall in around 24 hours," he said."


Clearly Matt Taylor is part of the conspiracy. Someone check his bank account for deposits from Big Cloud Seeding.
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94chem said:

You've gone flat-earth. Get some help. Oh, that's right, you can't. It would require an expert. Man, IDK what to tell you.


Ask him about chemtrails
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EPA is on it.



The replies are a hoot. Half the replies are folks saying "They're CHEMTRAILS not contrails!" and more than a handful are people posting pictures of regular old clouds, screaming "this is not natural!"
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HowdyTexasAggies said:

Duckhook said:

Covid was the best thing that ever happened to the conspiracy theory crowd. Now they can frame every argument around "well, they lied to us about Covid, so they're surely lying about [insert favorite conspiracy theory here]"

The number of so-called conspiracies that have now been proven true is a longer list than just covid.
I find the standard of proof for finding something as "true" is pretty low with a lot on this forum.
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Duckhook said:

Covid was the best thing that ever happened to the conspiracy theory crowd. Now they can frame every argument around "well, they lied to us about Covid, so they're surely lying about [insert favorite conspiracy theory here]"


Rogan left some really good ones off the list. Hunter's laptop, Ashly's Diary, Joes mental decline/stutter, cheap fakes, etc.
Rapier108
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Not a conspiracy, but labeled one by the Democrats and media to silence people.

Lockdown
Invermectin
HCQ (Hell, Fauci even said it worked on SARS-1 in a 2015 paper which is why people used it early on)
Masks
Censorship

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Epstein Sex Island, never a conspiracy. Publicly available information from long ago.

Elite pedophilia- There are pedos in all areas of society, but no one has ever proven that there is some kind of massive cabal of pedos among the elites. That is straight up Q anon bull*****

Ukraine "biolabs"- the conspiracy that the US was creating bioweapons in Ukraine was bull****, but lots of people fell for the Russian propaganda.

Child trafficking- Human trafficking isn't a new thing. The conspiracy is the same one as the elite pedo conspiracy. Usually it also includes "Adrenochrome".

Russia Gate- the "conspiracy" was from the left, not the right. It was always bull****, but the media and Democrats loved it. Same for the Steele Dossier.

People were saying from the word go that Ukraine was a corrupt ****hole, but at the same time it doesn't make Russia the good guy either.

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The internet first made it possible and then made it easy to monetize anger and conspiracy. Individuals with a family, friends or community deficit in their lives could and did find each other in the strangest places online. Bonds were formed. Alliances and friendships developed. And in some sectors, money was being made peddling conspiracy theories.

Unfortunately, many found themselves in far-off corners of the web where the similarly lonely or disconnected could find companionship, as well as food and drink for their own beliefs. It's a long known and often described phenomenon known as "confirmation bias."

"Confirmation bias" is the tendency to interpret new evidence as confirmation of one's existing beliefs or theories. Facts and theories that conflict with dearly held beliefs are dismissed as false, erroneous or incomplete and sometimes even as proof positive of the original bias.

Real conspiracy theories are flat earth, fake Apollo moon landings, chemtrails, HAARP, lizard people, 9/11 controlled demolition, and of course, the belief that Jews run/control everything and have for thousands of years.

Just because the media or Democrats call something a conspiracy theory does not make it one.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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Francis Macomber said:

HowdyTexasAggies said:

Duckhook said:

Covid was the best thing that ever happened to the conspiracy theory crowd. Now they can frame every argument around "well, they lied to us about Covid, so they're surely lying about [insert favorite conspiracy theory here]"

The number of so-called conspiracies that have now been proven true is a longer list than just covid.
I find the standard of proof for finding something as "true" is pretty low with a lot on this forum.


Sadly for a lot of people on here the standard of proof is "do I want this to be true."
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captkirk said:

Duckhook said:

Covid was the best thing that ever happened to the conspiracy theory crowd. Now they can frame every argument around "well, they lied to us about Covid, so they're surely lying about [insert favorite conspiracy theory here]"


Rogan left some really good ones off the list. Hunter's laptop, Ashly's Diary, Joes mental decline/stutter, cheap fakes, etc.
Yep, I see the censorship one...but the FBI and intel community conspiring to rig/influence the 2020 election is one of the worst things to happen in any of our lifetimes and deserves a direct mention. Talk about "threats to democracy". The founders resorted to violence over less.
 
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