DOJ: Epstein killed himself, no client list

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flown-the-coop
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Tea Party said:

flown-the-coop said:

Tea Party said:

You want Congress to do the job of the DOJ?

Cheap deflection, see above.

You said why aren't Massie and Ro creating a list, investigating, and prosecuting. I can quote your own words for you if you like , though I know what you meant and am just pointing out your excessive hatred towards Massie when it's somewhat misguided.

And to go along with your non sequitur above, you have proof that Massie is not asking the DOJ to do those things?

No, but he had an opportunity to ask her just recently, didn't he

My hatred is Massie is well placed. And it's good to see more and more are recognizing him for the fraud he is.

You lean libertarian so he's your boy. Enjoy. I think your support of him is laughably misguided.
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I didn't defend her answers. See the thread on the hearing, then get back to me.
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I don't care about hookers being banged by rich and famous perverts. I want our supposed "leaders" to investigate the horrific stuff. i.e. Epstein mocking a girl who said that Jesus would protect her by saying "whoops". Other talk about young children and crazy deviant sexually perverted acts.

Why isn't Massie or anyone else reading those emails?
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1981 Monte Carlo said:

I don't care about hookers being banged by rich and famous perverts. I want our supposed "leaders" to investigate the horrific stuff. i.e. Epstein mocking a girl who said that Jesus would protect her by saying "whoops". Other talk about young children and crazy deviant sexually perverted acts.

Why isn't Massie or anyone else reading those emails?


Totally agree and I can't quite figure him out. Some days I think he's doing good, but others make it completely seem like he's bought and paid for to push a narrative. You bring up a lot of good points about the guy, and until he starts naming some names of the unredacted people that he supposedly saw who are elites in the files, I'm going to take everything he does and says with a grain of salt. Until someone stands up to the elites, this is all a charade to me. People want justice and consequences........well at least the normal people do. The libs are still too brainwashed and on the Trump witch hunt to ever unite with the middle of the road American citizens who want these people to suffer the consequences for the horrendous acts that they brought upon innocent children.
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Massie and Ro have named names.

They also stated that the unredacted files are still heavily redacted. And dozens of Congress members confirmed this.
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DeschutesAg said:

Massie and Ro have named names.

They also stated that the unredacted files are still heavily redacted. And dozens of Congress members confirmed this.

The ONLY way to get mainstream Americans to really focus on this is to induce this type of reaction from them. They need to be shocked...made extremely uncomfortable.



Spotlight only the most gruesome and horrific emails that seem to HEAVILY IMPLY sexual crimes including possible torture and murder of innocent young children. Pressure Bondi to pursue this stuff. Force her hand, and if she wants to hang herself, she can. Maybe she will even say that forensic investigations have determined that some of these emails were fake, and purposefully over-the-top, as a means to discredit the rest...I am open to that as a very distant possibility. BUT PUT THE FOCUS ON THE MOST HORRIFIC.

Anyone who has ever lived in a city knows that sex trafficking of young adult women and 16-17 year olds has always happened. It is very wrong, but it doesn't move the needle for most. After hours mexican and central american night clubs are crawling with this type of stuff.

We need Massie to read the emails of Epstein taunting his young victims for their faith in Jesus. We need him to showcase the "i enjoyed the torture video" stuff.

Even without names, that rattles the bones and stirs the gut of every normal sane person.
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DJT simply does not understand how badly he is losing on this issue
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1981 Monte Carlo
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DJT simply does not understand how badly he is losing on this issue

It's crazy. I have seen quite a few MAGA buddies just about completely flip on him over the issue. I have to believe he is either (a) protecting some buddies, or (b) has been put on notice that they won't miss 'next time' by the CIA or something. Any other rational/reasonable hypothetical explanations anyone can come up with, I'm all ears.

It makes no sense to me. If Trump is going to ridicule people for focusing on these disgusting crimes, he needs to explain himself. Just blasting people for their interest in this AFTER THAT IS ONE OF THE MAJOR THINGS YOU RAN ON, is not enough. It's absurd...it's angering the base. He needs to explain himself...why we need to move on...unfortunately that is one area he has traditionally sucked.
Im Gipper
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This was not a major thing he ran on. In fact, he would never commit on if he would be willing to release all the files.

I'm Gipper
Yukon Cornelius
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Probably has something to do with a certain foreign leader constantly coming to the WH. Seven times to be exact. No one else has been to visit as frequently.
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Yukon Cornelius said:

Probably has something to do with a certain foreign leader constantly coming to the WH.


The Jews! I knew it!!

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1981 Monte Carlo
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Im Gipper said:

This was not a major thing he ran on. In fact, he would never commit on if he would be willing to release all the files.

I disagree...along with the below, I have my memory of it...

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While campaigning in 2024, Trump said he would release the files

In June 2024, Fox and Friends co-host Rachel Campos-Duffy asked Trump if he would declassify various files, including those related to 9/11 and former President John F Kennedy.

"Would you declassify the Epstein files?" Campos-Duffy said.

"Yeah, yeah, I would," Trump said.

The clip spread on social media, and Trump's campaign account also shared it.


Also, remember the "Binders" charade?

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Well Epstein didn't flee to Russia or China to negotiate his plea deal extradition free from haha
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Im Gipper said:

This was not a major thing he ran on. In fact, he would never commit on if he would be willing to release all the files.


50 weeks now since he sent his little sycophants out of the White House with these binders lol

Im Gipper
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Why did you leave out the key parts? Be better.

Campos-Duffy: Would you declassify the Epstein files?
Trump: Yeah, yeah, I would.

Campos-Duffy: All right.
Trump: I guess I would. I think that less so because, you don't know, you don't want to affect people's lives if it's phony stuff in there, because it's a lot of phony stuff with that whole world. But I think I would, or at least

Campos-Duffy: Do you think that would restore trust help restore trust.
Trump: Yeah. I don't know about Epstein so much as I do the others. Certainly about the way he died. It'd be interesting to find out what happened there, because that was a weird situation and the cameras didn't happen to be working, etc., etc. But yeah, I'd go a long way toward that one.





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50 weeks now since he sent his little sycophants out of the White House with these binders lo


Yep. And I have made fun of that as much as anyone here.


Yet, that has nothing to do with the campaign. It was never a "major issue" for him. It's a complete fabrication to say it was.

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1981 Monte Carlo
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Im Gipper said:

Why did you leave out the key parts? Be better.

Campos-Duffy: Would you declassify the Epstein files?
Trump: Yeah, yeah, I would.

Campos-Duffy: All right.
Trump: I guess I would. I think that less so because, you don't know, you don't want to affect people's lives if it's phony stuff in there, because it's a lot of phony stuff with that whole world. But I think I would, or at least

Campos-Duffy: Do you think that would restore trust help restore trust.
Trump: Yeah. I don't know about Epstein so much as I do the others. Certainly about the way he died. It'd be interesting to find out what happened there, because that was a weird situation and the cameras didn't happen to be working, etc., etc. But yeah, I'd go a long way toward that one.

Bro, he has reversed HARD.

But let's set aside the hair splitting.

Numerous emails that have surfaced WHICH ARE ON THE DOJ SITE...are highly disturbing and reference child rape, torture etc etc. Lot's of talk about children.

Trump needs to convince us that those were entirely fake and explain the reasoning behind that or this never goes away.

Bashing his base for caring about this is f'n ******ed. The nerve.
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1981 Monte Carlo said:

PaulsBunions said:



DJT simply does not understand how badly he is losing on this issue

It's crazy. I have seen quite a few MAGA buddies just about completely flip on him over the issue. I have to believe he is either (a) protecting some buddies, or (b) has been put on notice that they won't miss 'next time' by the CIA or something. Any other rational/reasonable hypothetical explanations anyone can come up with, I'm all ears.

It makes no sense to me. If Trump is going to ridicule people for focusing on these disgusting crimes, he needs to explain himself. Just blasting people for their interest in this AFTER THAT IS ONE OF THE MAJOR THINGS YOU RAN ON, is not enough. It's absurd...it's angering the base. He needs to explain himself...why we need to move on...unfortunately that is one area he has traditionally sucked.


I reckon it's A, B, and C. He's also involved.

Or he's squeaky clean, if only Pam wasnt redacting the perpetrators names...
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Bro: he has always maintained from the beginning that he was hesitant to release all the files. That is a fact. He has not reversed anything.

It is not splitting hairs to set the record straight.

However, he has handled this abysmally from the get go. It seems to be getting even worse!

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1981 Monte Carlo
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Im Gipper said:

Bro: he has always maintained from the beginning that he was hesitant to release all the files. That is a fact. He has not reversed anything.

It is not splitting hairs to set the record straight.

However, he has handled this abysmally from the get go. It seems to be getting even worse!

No one cares about the mundane stuff aka ALL of the files. It's the stuff about sex with children, torture etc. Also the deep state corrupt activities that Mike Benz has laid out, which has been going on for decades. All of us have been metaphorically raped, and that needs to be exposed to the masses too.

Trump just wants us to pretend we didn't see an email from Epstein mocking one of his victims for beliving Jesus was watching over her..."Whoops" mocked Epstein. Or an email from a Sultan talking about torture vids. Or to pretend it doesn't matter, because he is doing other things for the country.

He better have a damn good reason for ridiculing us for caring about such unimaginable heinous and evil stuff. But just "nuh uh! stop! you're crazy!" doesn't cut it.
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ETFan said:

1981 Monte Carlo said:

PaulsBunions said:



DJT simply does not understand how badly he is losing on this issue

It's crazy. I have seen quite a few MAGA buddies just about completely flip on him over the issue. I have to believe he is either (a) protecting some buddies, or (b) has been put on notice that they won't miss 'next time' by the CIA or something. Any other rational/reasonable hypothetical explanations anyone can come up with, I'm all ears.

It makes no sense to me. If Trump is going to ridicule people for focusing on these disgusting crimes, he needs to explain himself. Just blasting people for their interest in this AFTER THAT IS ONE OF THE MAJOR THINGS YOU RAN ON, is not enough. It's absurd...it's angering the base. He needs to explain himself...why we need to move on...unfortunately that is one area he has traditionally sucked.


I reckon it's A, B, and C. He's also involved.

Or he's squeaky clean, if only Pam wasnt redacting the perpetrators names...

So you are one of the ones that believe he is unimaginably evil, but also very brilliant. That he reported Epstein two decades ago and called Ghislaine "evil" as a pre-emptive diversion tactic to give himself cover for raping and abusing children many years later. Banned them from Mar-a-Lago on top of that to shake everyone off his scent.

500D chess is what you're going with right? Oh, and he's also extremely patient and deliberate and really good at playing the long game. That's your claim?
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PaulsBunions said:

From the tweet -

"Actually, it is the SLIMEBALL Democrats, many of the big Donors and Politicians, that have been proven GUILTY!"


There are a lot of Democrats that certainly need to be investigated based on what has been released, and if he believes there is information that proves them guilty, why has the Trump DOJ not arrested anyone? Why are they stating there are no on-going investigations and why in the **** is he calling it a hoax?
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1981 Monte Carlo said:

ETFan said:

1981 Monte Carlo said:

PaulsBunions said:



DJT simply does not understand how badly he is losing on this issue

It's crazy. I have seen quite a few MAGA buddies just about completely flip on him over the issue. I have to believe he is either (a) protecting some buddies, or (b) has been put on notice that they won't miss 'next time' by the CIA or something. Any other rational/reasonable hypothetical explanations anyone can come up with, I'm all ears.

It makes no sense to me. If Trump is going to ridicule people for focusing on these disgusting crimes, he needs to explain himself. Just blasting people for their interest in this AFTER THAT IS ONE OF THE MAJOR THINGS YOU RAN ON, is not enough. It's absurd...it's angering the base. He needs to explain himself...why we need to move on...unfortunately that is one area he has traditionally sucked.


I reckon it's A, B, and C. He's also involved.

Or he's squeaky clean, if only Pam wasnt redacting the perpetrators names...

So you are one of the ones that believe he is unimaginably evil, but also very brilliant. That he reported Epstein two decades ago and called Ghislaine "evil" as a pre-emptive diversion tactic to give himself cover for raping and abusing children many years later. Banned them from Mar-a-Lago on top of that to shake everyone off his scent.

500D chess is what you're going with right? Oh, and he's also extremely patient and deliberate and really good at playing the long game. That's your claim?


This is a Wendy's sir, I said none of that. If anyone is playing 500D chess it's his last few defenders. "If we can just just get this red piece near the queen..."
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1981 Monte Carlo said:

PaulsBunions said:



DJT simply does not understand how badly he is losing on this issue

It's crazy. I have seen quite a few MAGA buddies just about completely flip on him over the issue. I have to believe he is either (a) protecting some buddies, or (b) has been put on notice that they won't miss 'next time' by the CIA or something. Any other rational/reasonable hypothetical explanations anyone can come up with, I'm all ears.

It makes no sense to me. If Trump is going to ridicule people for focusing on these disgusting crimes, he needs to explain himself. Just blasting people for their interest in this AFTER THAT IS ONE OF THE MAJOR THINGS YOU RAN ON, is not enough. It's absurd...it's angering the base. He needs to explain himself...why we need to move on...unfortunately that is one area he has traditionally sucked.


It makes total sense if we accept he has things to hide and his name is found many many thousands of times in these files. He was one of Epstein's closest friends for 15 years. At a minimum, he knew what Epstein was doing, and he kept on partying and socializing with him. Trump may even have been directly involved in some of those things.

The birthday card to Epstein, which Trump denied drawing and authoring, has been verified. The secret meetings between Ghislaine and Trump lawyer Todd Blanche, followed by Ghislaine being moved to a Club Fed minimum security prison. The 12 months, and still counting, of obstructing the release of the files. Trump telling all his supporters and his podcaster groupies to "move on". Mike Johnson and 95% of the GOP Congress obstructing the release of the files.

How much smoke does a person need to see before they realize there is a fire?
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Epstein was a huge pedo perv that hung out with a bunch of liberal entertainers & politicians

Lib voters - "this is damning for Trump & the republicans party"



Lolz

Please never change, Libs
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TA-OP said:

RogerFurlong said:

Trump's DOJ is slowly leaking this out. They'll release something to bury the democrats or exonerate Trump right before mid terms. They're going to make the democrats and Massie fight for it first though.

Also, why is Bondi getting so much heat for releasing the files when Obama and Biden did nothing about it? I'm sure that questions been asked and dodged in this thread a million times before though.

The whataboutism is just a way for the right to shirk responsibility. President Trump promised exposure and accountability. Congress passed a law mandating Bondi's DOJ release the files. Previous admins deserve all the criticism you want to give, but this one promised and then was compelled by law and still thinks the play is to protect pedophiles. And, everyone goaltending for them is a hypocrite.

26 people starred this, but perhaps you can explain exactly how they are "protecting" pedophiles and the indisputable evidence out there that could make an iron-clad case against any of the accused. This #$&@ has to go to trial, and with all of the absolute BS floating around about child sacrifices, bodies on Trump's golf course he didn't own, pickled kid's feet, etc…….your obvious legal expertise is waiting to shine. How would you put together the cases for the prosecution, and what evidence and witnesses would you present?
Being in TexAgs jail changes a man……..no, not really
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B-1 83 said:

26 people starred this, but perhaps you can explain exactly how they are "protecting" pedophiles and the indisputable evidence out there that could make an iron-clad case against any of the accused. This #$&@ has to go to trial, and with all of the absolute BS floating around about child sacrifices, bodies on Trump's golf course he didn't own, pickled kid's feet, etc…….your obvious legal expertise is waiting to shine. How would you put together the cases for the prosecution, and what evidence and witnesses would you present?


Look a few posts up where the President just said there are folks who are PROVEN to be guilty. IF that is the case it seems like it should be easy for his DOJ to prosecute them.
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B-1 83 said:

TA-OP said:

RogerFurlong said:

Trump's DOJ is slowly leaking this out. They'll release something to bury the democrats or exonerate Trump right before mid terms. They're going to make the democrats and Massie fight for it first though.

Also, why is Bondi getting so much heat for releasing the files when Obama and Biden did nothing about it? I'm sure that questions been asked and dodged in this thread a million times before though.

The whataboutism is just a way for the right to shirk responsibility. President Trump promised exposure and accountability. Congress passed a law mandating Bondi's DOJ release the files. Previous admins deserve all the criticism you want to give, but this one promised and then was compelled by law and still thinks the play is to protect pedophiles. And, everyone goaltending for them is a hypocrite.

26 people starred this, but perhaps you can explain exactly how they are "protecting" pedophiles and the indisputable evidence out there that could make an iron-clad case against any of the accused. This #$&@ has to go to trial, and with all of the absolute BS floating around about child sacrifices, bodies on Trump's golf course he didn't own, pickled kid's feet, etc…….your obvious legal expertise is waiting to shine. How would you put together the cases for the prosecution, and what evidence and witnesses would you present?

People draw these conclusions because of how freaking poor and inconsistent the messaging has been on this issue from the Trump admin.

In 2024 and prior, you have Trump saying he would release the files. Vance demanding they be released. Bongino and Patel saying that there was no way Epstein killed himself.

Bondi states in February that a client list is on her desk.

Then in office, they hand out binders with social media influencers and try to gaslight the public into thinking that the files were released. Despite it just being a reskin of already publicly available information.

Then Bondi retracts her prior statement.

Video footage from Epstein's jail is released and is shown to be doctored and missing a minute.

Patel confirms that Epstein killed himself and that no one other than Maxwell and he were involved. His explanation: trust me bro. Complete 180 from stuff he was peddling on his podcast.

Then in the summer, Trump said that the files did not exist.

Then he and his admin tried to call the entire Epstein case a democrat hoax.

Now, as stuff has started to trickle out, lies are starting to become more clear. An old FBI document that listed six co-defendants that were redacted, points to the thought that we were incapable of charging anyone else being false. It became clear that Howard Lutnick lied through his teeth about his relationship with the guy.

When there has been this much back and forth and inconsistency, it is natural for people to believe that they are being lied to. Especially when you have a government that has lied to you about the Vietnam war, numerous middle eastern conflicts, the addictiveness of Opioids, the COVID pandemic, the impact of transing children, and much, much more.
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Im Gipper said:

Bro: he has always maintained from the beginning that he was hesitant to release all the files. That is a fact. He has not reversed anything.

It is not splitting hairs to set the record straight.

However, he has handled this abysmally from the get go. It seems to be getting even worse!

I agree with this. He lets it get him all worked and he twists to the hoax line.

Bondo could do what i suggested Massie do. Identity a pool of victims and alleged perps and say what is being done or what was done. No one is going to buy nor is it even remotely feasible there are no crimes.
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DeschutesAg said:

1981 Monte Carlo said:

PaulsBunions said:



DJT simply does not understand how badly he is losing on this issue

It's crazy. I have seen quite a few MAGA buddies just about completely flip on him over the issue. I have to believe he is either (a) protecting some buddies, or (b) has been put on notice that they won't miss 'next time' by the CIA or something. Any other rational/reasonable hypothetical explanations anyone can come up with, I'm all ears.

It makes no sense to me. If Trump is going to ridicule people for focusing on these disgusting crimes, he needs to explain himself. Just blasting people for their interest in this AFTER THAT IS ONE OF THE MAJOR THINGS YOU RAN ON, is not enough. It's absurd...it's angering the base. He needs to explain himself...why we need to move on...unfortunately that is one area he has traditionally sucked.


It makes total sense if we accept he has things to hide and his name is found many many thousands of times in these files. He was one of Epstein's closest friends for 15 years. At a minimum, he knew what Epstein was doing, and he kept on partying and socializing with him. Trump may even have been directly involved in some of those things.

The birthday card to Epstein, which Trump denied drawing and authoring, has been verified. The secret meetings between Ghislaine and Trump lawyer Todd Blanche, followed by Ghislaine being moved to a Club Fed minimum security prison. The 12 months, and still counting, of obstructing the release of the files. Trump telling all his supporters and his podcaster groupies to "move on". Mike Johnson and 95% of the GOP Congress obstructing the release of the files.

How much smoke does a person need to see before they realize there is a fire?

Why would liberal news outlets report that Trump actually warned the police about Epstein in 2006 and called Ghislaine "evil" and recommended that they investigate her? And that Trump even banned Epstein from Mar-a-Lago?
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B-1 83 said:

How would you put together the cases for the prosecution, and what evidence and witnesses would you present?
Not sure why you felt the need to single me out when there's plenty others arguing the exact same thing. We're being lied to and gaslit and the best the self-proclaimed conservatives here can do is goal tend.

Regarding your question… it's impossible to put together any sort of case because the GOP-controlled government, the ones calling middle Americans like me false Christians and a worshiper of evil, will not comply with the letter of the law and actually release the un-redacted files. But, you know that already.
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TA-OP said:

B-1 83 said:

How would you put together the cases for the prosecution, and what evidence and witnesses would you present?

Not sure why you felt the need to single me out when there's plenty others arguing the exact same thing. We're being lied to and gaslit and the best the self-proclaimed conservatives here can do is goal tend.

Regarding your question… it's impossible to put together any sort of case because the GOP-controlled government, the ones calling middle Americans like me false Christians and a worshiper of evil, will not comply with the letter of the law and actually release the un-redacted files. But, you know that already.

Why didn't Biden or team blue ever go after Trump? Lord knows they tried everything else...spying, fake hoaxes, impeachment, imprisonment, assasinations etc etc.
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It's impossible to get the GOP to prosecute crimes, we need to wait until Dems are back in charge.

They are super serious on crimes!! See how they went after Trump, supporters of Trumps, dads protesting baby killers, grannies touring the capital and soccer moms attacking the trans community at board meetings.

They will do the same if back in charge regarding Epstein. Assuming the alleged perp is not a devout lib.
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1981 Monte Carlo said:

TA-OP said:

B-1 83 said:

How would you put together the cases for the prosecution, and what evidence and witnesses would you present?

Not sure why you felt the need to single me out when there's plenty others arguing the exact same thing. We're being lied to and gaslit and the best the self-proclaimed conservatives here can do is goal tend.

Regarding your question… it's impossible to put together any sort of case because the GOP-controlled government, the ones calling middle Americans like me false Christians and a worshiper of evil, will not comply with the letter of the law and actually release the un-redacted files. But, you know that already.

Why didn;t Biden or team blue ever go after Trump? Lord knows they tried everything else...sping, fake hoaxes, impeachment, imprisonment, assasinations etc etc.
Why does this question get asked constantly. How about read what I actually write. I'll say it again for the last time, I don't know why previous admins didn't do anything. I'm just as disappointed in President Biden and President Trump from his first term. He sat on it then too. But now, the American people were promised. The administration has been stoking the fires of hate. Congress passed a law that the admin is now ignoring. It's shocking that so-called conservatives are just okay with being fed bullcrap stories.

Release the dam files.
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