rgvag11 said:
We can go through the fascist checklist:
Key Characteristics of Marxists:
Nationalism:
I'll be generous and give you this one which is much better than the Democrat alternative of open borders and openly hating American ideals. Give me nationalism all day every day.
Cult of the Leader:
Uh, remember Obama? The guy award a Nobel for literally being black? Biden until his mental degradation was so overwhelmingly obvious that the Democrats and the media could no longer lie about it?
Suppression of Opposition:
Democrats literally colluding with Big Tech to suppress Republican thoughts, ideas, comments, etc. Hillary publicly stating more than once that Republicans needed to be re-educated, camped, and dealt with. Historical fact.
Scapegoating:
White people literally being labeled as the cause of everything wrong in this country as our #1 domestic enemy - Biden. White people were labeled as the cause for black people randomly attacking Asians during the Asian Hate Attack trend.
Militarism:
Democrats have been pro-militarism when it suits the latest thing - see Ukraine.
Economic Control:
Democrats want central planning and control of the economy via the government. This is core policy of the left. See the New AOC Democrats.
Sexism:
WGAS about a comment he made years ago when in practice he's had numerous qualified women in his administration. I've yet to see any on the Democrat side. Y'all famously have the dumbest women we've ever seen in elected positions - AOC, Kamala, every black woman in Congress. Famous for their low IQs. Literally.
Control of Media:
Unbelievable on this one. lol. I have nothing to say here other than this is the most gaslit topic you have on here. The left literally owns the media in this country and has for decades.
rgvag11 said:
We can go through the fascist checklist:
Key Characteristics of Fascism:
Nationalism:
An intense, often exclusionary, form of nationalism with a focus on national decline or victimhood. We are quite exclusionary with whom we believe has the 'right' to exist in America, and who are ' real Americans,' as we now debate questions that were settled a long time ago, birthright citizenship and denaturalization. We have the whole 'Make America Great Again' slogan, which implies decline, and 'real Americans' are the victims. CHECK
Cult of the Leader:
A charismatic, "infallible" leader who embodies the nation and demands unquestioning loyalty. Teflon Don overwhelmingly meets this criteria. CHECK
Suppression of Opposition:
Fascist regimes forcibly suppress dissent, often through violence and imprisonment. The Judiciary and Congress are subject to aggressive rhetoric and violence (with some recent murders). Law firms and MSM have may agreements and payouts to Trump. CHECK
Scapegoating:
Identifying enemies or scapegoats as a unifying cause and blaming them for societal problems. Illegals. Democrats. 'The Left.' Soros. Plenty of those around. CHECK
Militarism:
A strong emphasis on military values, strength, and expansionism. Trump wants a strong military presence at home, especially on the border, and at liberal protests, but he is not much of an expansionist, IMHO. Most of his expansionist talk (see Greenland and Canada) has just been talk with no action. PARTIAL CHECK.
Economic Control:
Fascism often involves a corporatist system where the state controls key industries. Trump is definitely not a 'laissez faire' capitalist as he has put more pressure on industries to modify their business models than any other U.S. president in modern times. His 'America First' agenda's biggest emphasis has been to increase manufacturing in the USA, many companies have capitulated, and Americans have the burden of tariffs. However, I would not say he has 'control' over any key industry, as of now. PARTIAL CHECK.
Sexism:
Fascist regimes frequently promote traditional gender roles and exhibit sexism. The widely publicized "grab them by the p---y" comment from the Access Hollywood tape is a perfect example of this characteristic and its acceptance. CHECK
Control of Media:
Fascist regimes seek to control or manipulate the media to promote their ideology and suppress dissent.
Trump has proven that he knows how to control our media's narrative better than anyone. If the MSM does not fall in-line, they risk excommunication and lawsuits. The parent companies of ABC and CBS have both capitulated to the administration recently, settled their lawsuits, and made million dollar payouts to Trump, even though most legal analysists said they were likely to win their cases. CHECK
rgvag11 said:
Every fact I presented is a matter of public record. You have made whataboutisms, but you refuted nothing I said in your retort. Everything in your response is 'literally' projection with no rational counter argument to any of the points in the discussion. You might as well have used the grade school argument 'I know that you are, but what am I?'
The same Google AI that created pictures of our founding fathers as black men?rgvag11 said:
LOL As I said, they were 'literally' a copy paste of Goolgle AI's "characteristics of fascism.' I'm sorry you do not like this reality, but it's the only real one we have.
Tanya 93 said:
It's the Fourth!
Go have a sno cone in honor of freedom.
I recommend wedding cake, raspberry, lemon-blueberry, or cucumber mint.
Also, hot dogs.
Yes. With ketchup and a pickle spear and onions.
Please remember
"AVENGE ME SON!"
AI is known to have what is referred to in the technical field as "hallucinations"...rgvag11 said:
LOL As I said, they were 'literally' a copy paste of Goolgle AI's "characteristics of fascism.' I'm sorry you do not like this reality, but it's the only real one we have.
rgvag11 said:
LOL As I said, they were 'literally' a copy paste of Goolgle AI's "characteristics of fascism.' I'm sorry you do not like this reality, but it's the only real one we have.
rgvag11 said:
We can go through the fascist checklist:
Key Characteristics of Fascism:
Nationalism:
An intense, often exclusionary, form of nationalism with a focus on national decline or victimhood. We are quite exclusionary with whom we believe has the 'right' to exist in America, and who are ' real Americans,' as we now debate questions that were settled a long time ago, birthright citizenship and denaturalization. We have the whole 'Make America Great Again' slogan, which implies decline, and 'real Americans' are the victims. CHECK
Cult of the Leader:
A charismatic, "infallible" leader who embodies the nation and demands unquestioning loyalty. Teflon Don overwhelmingly meets this criteria. CHECK
Suppression of Opposition:
Fascist regimes forcibly suppress dissent, often through violence and imprisonment. The Judiciary and Congress are subject to aggressive rhetoric and violence (with some recent murders). Law firms and MSM have may agreements and payouts to Trump. CHECK
Scapegoating:
Identifying enemies or scapegoats as a unifying cause and blaming them for societal problems. Illegals. Democrats. 'The Left.' Soros. Plenty of those around. CHECK
Militarism:
A strong emphasis on military values, strength, and expansionism. Trump wants a strong military presence at home, especially on the border, and at liberal protests, but he is not much of an expansionist, IMHO. Most of his expansionist talk (see Greenland and Canada) has just been talk with no action. PARTIAL CHECK.
Economic Control:
Fascism often involves a corporatist system where the state controls key industries. Trump is definitely not a 'laissez faire' capitalist as he has put more pressure on industries to modify their business models than any other U.S. president in modern times. His 'America First' agenda's biggest emphasis has been to increase manufacturing in the USA, many companies have capitulated, and Americans have the burden of tariffs. However, I would not say he has 'control' over any key industry, as of now. PARTIAL CHECK.
Sexism:
Fascist regimes frequently promote traditional gender roles and exhibit sexism. The widely publicized "grab them by the p---y" comment from the Access Hollywood tape is a perfect example of this characteristic and its acceptance. CHECK
Control of Media:
Fascist regimes seek to control or manipulate the media to promote their ideology and suppress dissent.
Trump has proven that he knows how to control our media's narrative better than anyone. If the MSM does not fall in-line, they risk excommunication and lawsuits. The parent companies of ABC and CBS have both capitulated to the administration recently, settled their lawsuits, and made million dollar payouts to Trump, even though most legal analysists said they were likely to win their cases. CHECK
rgvag11 said:
I'm sorry. Did I miss where you agree with some of the points I made. I can agree that Democrat presidents have loosely exhibit some characteristics associated with fascism at times, but General John Kelly, Trump's longest serving Chief of Staff, said it best,
Well, looking at the definition of fascism: It's a far-right authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy. So, certainly, in my experience, those are the kinds of things that Trump thinks would work better in terms of running America. Certainly the former president is in the far-right area, he's certainly an authoritarian, admires people who are dictators - - he has said that. So he certainly falls into the general definition of fascist, for sure."
Zombie Jon Snow said:rgvag11 said:
We can go through the fascist checklist:
Key Characteristics of Fascism:
Nationalism:
An intense, often exclusionary, form of nationalism with a focus on national decline or victimhood. We are quite exclusionary with whom we believe has the 'right' to exist in America, and who are ' real Americans,' as we now debate questions that were settled a long time ago, birthright citizenship and denaturalization. We have the whole 'Make America Great Again' slogan, which implies decline, and 'real Americans' are the victims. CHECK
Cult of the Leader:
A charismatic, "infallible" leader who embodies the nation and demands unquestioning loyalty. Teflon Don overwhelmingly meets this criteria. CHECK
Suppression of Opposition:
Fascist regimes forcibly suppress dissent, often through violence and imprisonment. The Judiciary and Congress are subject to aggressive rhetoric and violence (with some recent murders). Law firms and MSM have may agreements and payouts to Trump. CHECK
Scapegoating:
Identifying enemies or scapegoats as a unifying cause and blaming them for societal problems. Illegals. Democrats. 'The Left.' Soros. Plenty of those around. CHECK
Militarism:
A strong emphasis on military values, strength, and expansionism. Trump wants a strong military presence at home, especially on the border, and at liberal protests, but he is not much of an expansionist, IMHO. Most of his expansionist talk (see Greenland and Canada) has just been talk with no action. PARTIAL CHECK.
Economic Control:
Fascism often involves a corporatist system where the state controls key industries. Trump is definitely not a 'laissez faire' capitalist as he has put more pressure on industries to modify their business models than any other U.S. president in modern times. His 'America First' agenda's biggest emphasis has been to increase manufacturing in the USA, many companies have capitulated, and Americans have the burden of tariffs. However, I would not say he has 'control' over any key industry, as of now. PARTIAL CHECK.
Sexism:
Fascist regimes frequently promote traditional gender roles and exhibit sexism. The widely publicized "grab them by the p---y" comment from the Access Hollywood tape is a perfect example of this characteristic and its acceptance. CHECK
Control of Media:
Fascist regimes seek to control or manipulate the media to promote their ideology and suppress dissent.
Trump has proven that he knows how to control our media's narrative better than anyone. If the MSM does not fall in-line, they risk excommunication and lawsuits. The parent companies of ABC and CBS have both capitulated to the administration recently, settled their lawsuits, and made million dollar payouts to Trump, even though most legal analysists said they were likely to win their cases. CHECK
Uhhh no. Sorry. Every single one of those is attributable to the Dems.
Media - Ridiculous to say it is anything but Lib controlled. They literally tried to squelch him on social media platforms and even blocked other platforms he tried to use. ONLY because Elon bought one platform was he able to get his message out there. Otherwise he was squelched and the story was always the Lib side while banning his speech.Libs also control 90%+ of the traditional media. And have unified messages they parrot to the masses. Literally there is ONE news outlet that isn't 100% left and it has the biggest following. But the other 90% of the media forms and outlets are totally Lib.
Scapegoating - the Libs specifically have identified white so called cis gendered males as the enemy as well as capitalism itself and even democracy. Everything this country was founded on and got to be the most powerful country in the world through.
Suppression of Opposition - please the Dems try to use every judicial post they have to thwart anything the Trump admin does and have tried (unsuccessfully) to impeach him about 42 times with no merit to any of them. They tried to keep him off the ballot too.And they threw every bogus charge they could at him to try to literally imprison him to keep him from running.
Cult of the Leader: While Trump may have his followers the Dems did try that too with Obama who really still controls things and was driving both for Hillary and Biden and Kamala to continue the Obama plan. it just failed and Biden was an invalid which was inescapable. the kind of organization that would put a puppet leader in place is nothing but typical single party behavior with Obama pulling the strings.
How about rigging elections - the Dems have cheated in their own DNC selection for the last three elections. First they insured it would not be Bernie by throwing everyone behind Hillary. Then again they cheated Bernie by doing the same for Biden who was almost dead politically before SC then they threw all endorsements to him from the other candidates before super tuesday. Then when Biden was incapable of forming words they shoehorned Kamala in there without any actual vote or process. Not to mention of course the BS in the 2020 election and the mail in ballots and how every swing state changed in that period when they paused with odd 90% of the mail in votes going to Biden. They couldn't do that in 2024 due to changes in process and laws passed in many states in the interim.
Sexism - the left uses sexism in reverse, villainizing straight white men and throwing LGBTQ stuff in the mix to push their deviant agenda, and trying to normalize trans among other things.
Economic control - again the Libs do this but through other means - sending our money abroad basically to promote every liberal agenda worldwide and seed hate to America. And putting economic restrictions in place to limit US companies and make it harder to make money which provides jobs.
The literal NAZI playbook is pretty much the Libs agenda:
- appealing to lower classes, unemployed, etc.
- having no real plan or ability to pay for promises
- only the government and MORE government can save you
- redistributing wealth [from rich to poor]
- nothing is your fault all your woes are due to some identifiable enemy group that is easily targeted (white cis males)
- telling different groups what they want to hear, don't worry about the hypocrisy of it
- creating chaos and disorder in big cities (thru protests, riots, antifa, etc.) and blaming the far left or far right
- using political maneuvering and changing the rules to consolidate power (Libs trying to stack the SC and rig elections)
- control of the media to promote the ideology and the purposeful targeting of the enemy within
100% LIB PLAYBOOK
techno-ag said:rgvag11 said:
I'm sorry. Did I miss where you agree with some of the points I made. I can agree that Democrat presidents have loosely exhibit some characteristics associated with fascism at times, but General John Kelly, Trump's longest serving Chief of Staff, said it best,
Well, looking at the definition of fascism: It's a far-right authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy. So, certainly, in my experience, those are the kinds of things that Trump thinks would work better in terms of running America. Certainly the former president is in the far-right area, he's certainly an authoritarian, admires people who are dictators - - he has said that. So he certainly falls into the general definition of fascist, for sure."
Patriotism is spread across all parts of the political spectrum on the right these days, from right-of-center to "far" right. It's only centrists and leftists who eschew patriotism these days. To call anyone expressing patriotic sentiment "far right" or "fascist" is a Democrat talking point.
Zombie Jon Snow said:
And Libs will never figure that out and change - they cannot. they went too fsar left but instead they target and blame just Trump and some mythical cult worship. It isn't that. But I'm glad you think it is.
Immediately after the election I was worried Dems would wake up and realize how they screwed it up. But they didn't and are doubling down again on their losing agenda. Perfect.
^more so than those faults I think it is their elitism that is their downfall.deddog said:Zombie Jon Snow said:
And Libs will never figure that out and change - they cannot. they went too fsar left but instead they target and blame just Trump and some mythical cult worship. It isn't that. But I'm glad you think it is.
Immediately after the election I was worried Dems would wake up and realize how they screwed it up. But they didn't and are doubling down again on their losing agenda. Perfect.
This requires a functioning brain and independent thinking.
From a party that elected Biden and claimed he was not a ******. I think we are safe
Democrats will continue to be sanctimonious, miserable and ignorant. And continue to not realize it. . As evidenced in this thread
Let me guess, a leftest academic ? I can smell the stench through my hi-res display.snowminer said:This is such a tired and intellectually lazy argument. By confusing National Socialism (Nazism) with Marxist ideologies (Socialism and Communism), you fall for exactly the same rhetorical propaganda that Hitler used to attain power.LMCane said:
it's pretty annoying that for 80 years the socialists just gloss over this fact:
National Socialist German Workers' Party
In German: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei
or NSDAP
Indeed, the Nazis made use of socialist rhetoric to expand the Nazi base, and Hitler took over the German Worker's Party and specifically chose to use the word Socialism to attract working class support. However, Hitler's initial rise to power was funded by wealthy industrialists who saw him as the opposition to Marxism and hoped to crush organized labor. By the early 1930s the Nazi party had cast out most of the remaining leftists, and the remaining left-wing faction was killed during the Night of the Long Knives. At this point, the Nazi Party had fully transformed into a right-wing party under Hitler's control.
Hitler's final rise to totalitarian control came after the Reichstag fire, which he used to imprison the majority of left-wing members of the Reichstag, including ALL the Communist Party members and a large number of the Social Democrats. Finding this insufficient to gain total control, Hitler then proposed the Enabling Act, which required a two-thirds majority to pass. To pass the Enabling Act, Hitler aligned with the conservative German National People's Party, however, this was still not enough to reach two-thirds. The final coup came not from left-wing support, as all remaining left-wing members voted against the enabling act, but from the Centre Party, a Catholic center-right party having foolishly negotiated their continued existence in exchange, an agreement which was ultimately betrayed by Hitler after he gained totalitarian control.
Once in power the Nazis were explicitly pro-capitalist and continued their alignment with wealthy industrialists and privatized public firms under the ownership of their cronies. While they were not truly capitalist but crony-capitalist (similar to Russia after fall of the Soviet Union), they were certainly not socialist, nor left-wing.
You can try to re-litigate history all you like, but the reality remains that Nazism was driven to power by conservatives and right-wingers specifically to oppose the Marxist movement, and it remained a right-wing ideology until its collapse.
rgvag11 said:
I'm sorry. Did I miss where you agree with some of the points I made. I can agree that Democrat presidents have loosely exhibit some characteristics associated with fascism at times, but General John Kelly, Trump's longest serving Chief of Staff, said it best,
Well, looking at the definition of fascism: It's a far-right authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy. So, certainly, in my experience, those are the kinds of things that Trump thinks would work better in terms of running America. Certainly the former president is in the far-right area, he's certainly an authoritarian, admires people who are dictators - - he has said that. So he certainly falls into the general definition of fascist, for sure."