I've heard that hitler drank water. You know who drinks water? Trump! Oh lawd help us! It's starting!

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I've heard that hitler drank water. You know who drinks water? Trump! Oh lawd help us! It's starting!

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I thought he drank Diet Coke.

And Coke Zero and Sprite Zero are both better

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Fascism's core tenets are authoritarianism, nationalism, and social hierarchy, which align with traditional right-wing ideologies. Fascism's emphasis on a strong, centralized state, often under a dictatorial leader, contrasts with left-wing ideals of individual liberty and social equality.

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Ah yes, the leftwing ideals of liberty and equality: wear the mask, bake the cake, address me by my pronouns or else, you don't need those guns, your speech is hate because i don't agree with it, that baby isn't a real individual it must die, criminals>>>law abiding citizens, mostly peaceful

dr pepper

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Yep, the Nazis were a socialist party, but even more dangerously they mixed in elements of fascism so you had an amalgam of two of the most dangerous ideologies in the world. Toss in virulent racism and antisemitism and it was a recipe for disaster.

Most people don't even know that Nazi is short for Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei which translates to National Socialist German Workers' Party.

The Nazis were never "right wing" except when Hitler needed to make a speech to the army. Then he would transform himself into the biggest right wing nationalist to ever exist, because he knew that is what his audience wanted to hear.

The first group to roll over and go full support for the Nazi Party after they won the plurality in the election was academia and teachers. The military was the last to acquiesce.

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The Nazi playbook should serve as a warning to Conservatives. not to Liberals. Because they controlled the military and used brute force, hate and nationalism they think it's far right but it is not.

To this point the right wing Conservatives in Germany were totally against Hitler.... however they feared something more than the Socialists and that was the Communists.

Unfortunately they saw Hitler and the Socialists as something they could control and so they were all to happy to let the Socialists gain favor as long as it was taking from the Communists.

And it was too late once Hitler the SS and the brown shirts had control and the conservatives could do nothing to stop them. They are not without guilt and they did acquiesce then so it should be a stark reminder to Conservatives to NEVER RELENT TO SOCIALISTS as it leads to Fascism eventually.

The political spectrum is not a linear thing - it is circular and the radical fascists and communists are either side of one point. Socialists are on the path toward communism and that movement is inevitable which is what they do not realize. Idealism never prevails.



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History of the NSDAP and how they gained power and influence:

The NSDAP (National Socialist German Worker's Party) was born out of the GPW German Worker's Party. Hitler went as an agent of the German Army to spy on them because they believed they were a left wing radical revolutionary group. And yet he became attracted to their concepts of anti-semitism and nationalism. Hitler once he took control of the group specifically renamed it and added National before Socialist to differentiate from pure Socialists which was unpopular at the time. Those in the party called themselves National Socialists not Nazi's - only the external world (German exiles and those that opposed them) called them Nazi's at the time - it was a derogatory term actually.

While promoting his anti semitic and nationalist ideas Hitler knew he needed the support of the working class and socialists so he added VERY liberal ideas to the party including measures that would redistribute income and war profits, profit-sharing in large industries, nationalization of trusts, increases in old-age pensions and free education.

As they grew they directed their attacks at the far left socialists and communists which is why the right wing left them alone until it was too late. After his arrest and imprisonment Germany was on the rebound economically and the ideas of the radical NSDAP were out of favor. Hitler reformed their approach trying to get elected seats in the government instead of by force. He attracted small business owners and the unemployed and former military by demonizing capitalists and the Jewish financiers. This was some uncanny timing as the worldwide depressions set off by the crash of 1929 made a lot of believers in his anti capitalist concepts as unemployment rose rapidly. As leader of now the second largest party to the pure Socialists, Hitler was seen as the leader of the resistance.

The inability of the democratic parties to form a united front, the self-imposed isolation of the Communists and the continued decline of the economy, all played into Hitler's hands and he used this situation to his advantage, claiming that parliamentary democracy did not work. The NSDAP argued that only Hitler could provide the strong government that Germany needed. Hitler and other Nazi leaders travelled round the country giving speeches putting over this point of view.

What was said depended very much on the audience. In rural areas he promised tax cuts for farmers and government action to protect food prices. In working class areas, he spoke of redistribution of wealth and attacked the high profits made by the large chain stores. When he spoke to industrialists, Hitler concentrated on his plans to destroy communism and to reduce the power of the trade union movement. Hitler's main message was that Germany's economic recession was due to the Treaty of Versailles. Other than refusing to pay reparations, Hitler avoided explaining how he would improve the German economy.

Meanwhile his private armies (SA and Stormtroopers) were running street battles with the socialist and communist paramilitary organizations turning some cities into combat zones. Although the Nazis were among the main instigators of this disorder, Hitler convinced the frightened and demoralized middle class that he would restore law and order. This won over enough middle and upper class to get Hitler elected President.

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Meanwhile his private armies (SA and Stormtroopers) were running street battles with the socialist and communist paramilitary organizations turning some cities into combat zones. Although the Nazis were among the main instigators of this disorder, Hitler convinced the frightened and demoralized middle class that he would restore law and order. This won over enough middle and upper class to get Hitler elected President.

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Sounds awfully like Dem's rent a mob - Antifa.

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rgvag11 said:

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Fascism's core tenets are authoritarianism, nationalism, and social hierarchy, which align with traditional right-wing ideologies. Fascism's emphasis on a strong, centralized state, often under a dictatorial leader, contrasts with left-wing ideals of individual liberty and social equality.

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lenin
Stalin
Pol pot
Castro
Maduro
The CCP

Right wing or left wing?
Authoritarian?
Nationalist?
Social hierarchy?

Your post makes zero sense in classification.

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You forgot "Chairman" Mao

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Public school aids in this.

The history teacher in my son's high school (Austin, TX) talked extensively about Mao's plans, beliefs and policies but never once mentioned the millions he slaughtered.

These folks are evil

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In my class

Me-"And what never works?"
Students in unison-"Communism."

We've been taught that the Nazis of Hitler's Third Reich were the most evil human beings of all time; the key word here is "taught", because most of academia are Liberals/ Leftists, & of course b/c of America's close ties to Israel & America's large Jewish population. (FTR, I submit that ISIS were/ are the most INHUMANE, but that's a topic derail.)

Here's a simple test: Who killed more people, Nazis/ Facists or Communists?

For the Nazis, I'll even let you calculate into the total fascist Italy, Peron's Argentina, & any other Fascist leader, like Assad, Sadat, etc

But for Communists, you got Stalin who by himself killed more than those above, but then add Mao, Pol Pot, Ho Chi Minh, just about EVERY conflict in Africa during the 60s thru the 80s, Venezuela's Maduro, Castro, and South Africa today to counter the 'modern' fascists.

HINT: I've already done this exercise; Communists have Nazis/ Fascists beat by a minimum of 4 or 5 times the totals for any & every way you try to justify, based solely upon the number of folks killed, that Communism hasn't led to more killing & human suffering.

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We've been taught that the Nazis of Hitler's Third Reich were the most evil human beings of all time; the key word here is "taught", because most of academia are Liberals/ Leftists, & of course b/c of America's close ties to Israel & America's large Jewish population. (FTR, I submit that ISIS were/ are the most INHUMANE, but that's a topic derail.)

Here's a simple test: Who killed more people, Nazis/ Facists or Communists?

For the Nazis, I'll even let you calculate into the total fascist Italy, Peron's Argentina, & any other Fascist leader, like Assad, Sadat, etc

But for Communists, you got Stalin who by himself killed more than those above, but then add Mao, Pol Pot, Ho Chi Minh, just about EVERY conflict in Africa during the 60s thru the 80s, Venezuela's Maduro, Castro, and South Africa today to counter the 'modern' fascists.

HINT: I've already done this exercise; Communists have Nazis/ Fascists beat by a minimum of 4 or 5 times the totals for any & every way you try to justify, based solely upon the number of folks killed, that Communism hasn't led to more killing & human suffering.

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Mao-killed 45-70 million or about 1.65-2.59 million for every year he was in power.
Hitler killed 17-20 million or about 1.42-1.67 million for every year in power.
Stalin-killed 20-30 million or about .69-1.02 million for every year in power.
Leopold II killed 10-50 million or about .43-.65 million for every year in power.

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deddog said:

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Public school aids in this.

The history teacher in my son's high school (Austin, TX) talked extensively about Mao's plans, beliefs and policies but never once mentioned the millions he slaughtered.

These folks are evil

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In my class

Me-"And what never works?"
Students in unison-"Communism."

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Need more of this.

I understand critics of capitalism. I understand why socialism might appeal to some.
The fact that you can have marxists win an election of any kind in this day and age is unfathomable..

rgvag11 said:

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Fascism's core tenets are authoritarianism, nationalism, and social hierarchy, which align with traditional right-wing ideologies. Fascism's emphasis on a strong, centralized state, often under a dictatorial leader, contrasts with left-wing ideals of individual liberty and social equality.

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I'm sure this comment has already been beaten to death, but this is one of the most ill informed, preposterous posts I've seen on this forum, including so many bad takes that you've made before.

rgvag11 said:

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Fascism's core tenets are authoritarianism, nationalism, and social hierarchy, which align with traditional right-wing ideologies. Fascism's emphasis on a strong, centralized state, often under a dictatorial leader, contrasts with left-wing ideals of individual liberty and social equality.

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Completely wrong. Sheep.

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rgvag11 said:

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Fascism's core tenets are authoritarianism, nationalism, and social hierarchy, which align with traditional right-wing ideologies. Fascism's emphasis on a strong, centralized state, often under a dictatorial leader, contrasts with left-wing ideals of individual liberty and social equality.

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I'm sure this comment has already been beaten to death, but this is one of the most ill informed, preposterous posts I've seen on this forum, including so many bad takes that you've made before.

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LOL

Nobody has even attempted to beat it. People have only said it is wrong because of feelz. Pretty typical response tbh.

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Fascism's core tenets are authoritarianism, nationalism, and social hierarchy, which align with traditional right-wing ideologies. Fascism's emphasis on a strong, centralized state, often under a dictatorial leader, contrasts with left-wing ideals of individual liberty and social equality.

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I'm sure this comment has already been beaten to death, but this is one of the most ill informed, preposterous posts I've seen on this forum, including so many bad takes that you've made before.

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LOL

Nobody has even attempted to beat it. People have only said it is wrong because of feelz. Pretty typical response tbh.

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Feelz. Hah. Those of us who are not liberals have feelings, yes, but what we have that liberals don't (use) is brain power. But hey, I have to hand it to you. You have been proven as wrong many times here, yet you keep coming back for more.

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rgvag11 said:

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Fascism's core tenets are authoritarianism, nationalism, and social hierarchy, which align with traditional right-wing ideologies. Fascism's emphasis on a strong, centralized state, often under a dictatorial leader, contrasts with left-wing ideals of individual liberty and social equality.

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Completely wrong. Sheep.

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I am convinced the poster is a conservative posting moronic takes to make democrats look stupid.

LOL You sure aren't using that brain power for any logical retort.

deddog makes a persuasive prochoice argument

rgvag11 said:

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Fascism's core tenets are authoritarianism, nationalism, and social hierarchy, which align with traditional right-wing ideologies. Fascism's emphasis on a strong, centralized state, often under a dictatorial leader, contrasts with left-wing ideals of individual liberty and social equality.

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HAHAHAHAHA *breathe* HAHAHAHAHA!!!

You have to be kidding me. Leftism is the most de-humanizing, conform demanding, anti-liberal concept of all time. You are a cog. Your value is only as good as your ability to perform your cog function, no more, no less. Any deviation from the role you've been dictated results in consequences. There is no leaving the plantation of government approved group think. Whatever you perceive as a "liberty" granted (a contradictory pair of terms you have to accept to hold your position) to you by your godlike, central planning administrators is a lie you have swallowed hook, line, and sinker.

The only way to have liberty is by limiting the authority of government as much as possible. This is a right-wing convention (in contemporary meaning) and is most assuredly NOT certainly in the makeup of all authoritarian, dictatorial, forms of leftism including fascism, socialism, communism et. al.

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Fascism's core tenets are authoritarianism, nationalism, and social hierarchy, which align with traditional right-wing ideologies. Fascism's emphasis on a strong, centralized state, often under a dictatorial leader, contrasts with left-wing ideals of individual liberty and social equality.

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I'm sure this comment has already been beaten to death, but this is one of the most ill informed, preposterous posts I've seen on this forum, including so many bad takes that you've made before.

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LOL

Nobody has even attempted to beat it. People have only said it is wrong because of feelz. Pretty typical response tbh.

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Socialist and communist regimes must coerce and steal from the productive citizens of a society to even try to introduce their brand of "social equality". They also must silence their opposition.

Others in this thread have listed the culprits that have tried. You know the list (at least I think you know unless you are in denial). Can you really tell us with a straight face that these regimes truly fought for individual liberty and social equality?

On the first point they didn't even try, imprisoning opponents and murdering them. On the second point they claim to have that as a goal, but as the famous quote from Animal Farm says, "some animals are more equal than others". Every socialist/communist regime in history wound up with a 2 class system: the rulers and bureaucrats on top, summering in their lakeside homes paid for with what they stole from the producers, then every one else forced into a level matching the lowest common denominator.

You think the right is limiting the power of our main government leader, the President.

HAHAHAHAHA *breathe* HAHAHAHAHA!!!I'm

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NE PA Ag said:

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rgvag11 said:

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Fascism's core tenets are authoritarianism, nationalism, and social hierarchy, which align with traditional right-wing ideologies. Fascism's emphasis on a strong, centralized state, often under a dictatorial leader, contrasts with left-wing ideals of individual liberty and social equality.

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I'm sure this comment has already been beaten to death, but this is one of the most ill informed, preposterous posts I've seen on this forum, including so many bad takes that you've made before.

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LOL

Nobody has even attempted to beat it. People have only said it is wrong because of feelz. Pretty typical response tbh.

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Socialist and communist regimes must coerce and steal from the productive citizens of a society to even try to introduce their brand of "social equality". They also must silence their opposition.

Others in this thread have listed the culprits that have tried. You know the list (at least I think you know unless you are in denial). Can you really tell us with a straight face that these regimes truly fought for individual liberty and social equality?

On the first point they didn't even try, imprisoning opponents and murdering them. On the second point they claim to have that as a goal, but as the famous quote from Animal Farm says, "some animals are more equal than others". Every socialist/communist regime in history wound up with a 2 class system: the rulers and bureaucrats on top, summering in their lakeside homes paid for with what they stole from the producers, then every one else forced into a level matching the lowest common denominator.

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You think the right is limiting the power of our main government leader, the President.

HAHAHAHAHA *breathe* HAHAHAHAHA!!!I'm

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No. The left is doing that. Every time I turn around it seems, some leftist judge with no give a **** about the actual law issues a ruling because ... orange man bad.

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You think the right is limiting the power of our main government leader, the President.

HAHAHAHAHA *breathe* HAHAHAHAHA!!!I'm

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Are you 7 years old?

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LOL You sure aren't using that brain power for any logical retort.

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Equating leftism with liberty doesn't require a logical retort.
Anybody with an IQ > 70 and with a minimal knowledge of history can gauge the sheer stupidity of that statement. your plan to make democrats look silly continues to work.

Keep at it.

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rgvag11 said:

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Fascism's core tenets are authoritarianism, nationalism, and social hierarchy, which align with traditional right-wing ideologies. Fascism's emphasis on a strong, centralized state, often under a dictatorial leader, contrasts with left-wing ideals of individual liberty and social equality.

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I'm sure this comment has already been beaten to death, but this is one of the most ill informed, preposterous posts I've seen on this forum, including so many bad takes that you've made before.

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LOL

Nobody has even attempted to beat it. People have only said it is wrong because of feelz. Pretty typical response tbh.

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Your original comment has no further depth/substance beyond saying it is correct because of feelz, so why the **** would you expect a deep response in return.
Associating the modern American left with individual liberty is absurd. Can you name a single liberty the left advocates for that the right does not other than abortion?

If your reading comprehension is that bad, you can read my expanded version. https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3548211/replies/70481598

The left supports habeas corpus - the right, not so much. And that right predates the Magna Carta. Sad times.

The left supports habeas porkus

fify

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You think the right is limiting the power of our main government leader, the President.

HAHAHAHAHA *breathe* HAHAHAHAHA!!!I'm

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Trump is operating within the parameters of the executive.

rgvag11 said:

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Fascism's core tenets are authoritarianism, nationalism, and social hierarchy, which align with traditional right-wing ideologies. Fascism's emphasis on a strong, centralized state, often under a dictatorial leader, contrasts with left-wing ideals of individual liberty and social equality.

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The far left and far right are both authoritarian. The far left and the far right both believe in social hierarchy. They just believe in different/opposing things and very different hierarchies. If you can't see that you are a true believer.

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If your reading comprehension is that bad, you can read my expanded version. https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3548211/replies/70481598

The left supports habeas corpus - the right, not so much. And that right predates the Magna Carta. Sad times.

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Your "write up" is drivel in which you invent a definition to fascism. Sexism is definitely not part of it. There is such little in there to comprehend, don't flatter yourself.

How does the right not support habeas corpus?

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rgvag11 said:

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Fascism's core tenets are authoritarianism, nationalism, and social hierarchy, which align with traditional right-wing ideologies. Fascism's emphasis on a strong, centralized state, often under a dictatorial leader, contrasts with left-wing ideals of individual liberty and social equality.

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The far left and far right are both authoritarian. The far left and the far right both believe in social hierarchy. They just believe in different/opposing things and very different hierarchies. If you can't see that you are a true believer.

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I'll agree that people have a natural inclination for authoritarian and hierarchical systems, so in practice, I can somewhat agree with your position, but the philosophical principles of the left are anti-authoritarian and heterarchy. The closest people have come to communism would be a commune, and it has proven to be an ineffective system for people to organize.

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rgvag11 said:

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If your reading comprehension is that bad, you can read my expanded version. https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3548211/replies/70481598

The left supports habeas corpus - the right, not so much. And that right predates the Magna Carta. Sad times.

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Your "write up" is drivel in which you invent a definition to fascism. Sexism is definitely not part of it. There is such little in there to comprehend, don't flatter yourself.

How does the right not support habeas corpus?

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LOL. Submit your complaint to Google. I copied their 'characteristics of facism' and add comments.

See Steven Miller's statements on suspending habeas corpus.

Obama checks a lot of those boxes