Crazy how somehow the same crew who were upset about Israel taking out Iran's nuke facilities are now upset about yet another Israeli "story". Unrelated, of course. Almost like they're fixated on something.

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Infection_Ag11 said:

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Hitler advocated for regional followed by global domination of the Aryan race, not a specific state reserved for Aryans/Germans. It's not even remotely the same thing.

Why is it ok for there to be *checks notes* 56 Muslim majority nations 49 of whom are de facto Muslim states, 22 Arab states governed in part or entirely by Islamic law, but not ok for the Jews to want one democratic Jewish state?

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The Jews have their own ethnostate. What this OP is showing is that they are land grabbing more territory which they feel entitled to using violent means. Is this OK? Of course not. But the Israeli government seems to have no problem with it (or even tacitly supports it) and you seem to be hand waiving it away with "oh well Jews are historically persecuted so if you are bringing this issue to light you must be doing anti semitism for noticing".

Very weird

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It's their land partitioned to them that they had taken from them, then took over in a defensive war in which they overwhelmed their opposition inside a week, then VOLUNTARILY GIVEN UP TO MAKE PEACE. The only reason the West Bank and Gaza aren't just part of Israel is because of their historically exceptional desire to make peace with demographics that want to kill them. As far as I'm concerned that land is theirs to do with what they please. I have no issue with it whatsoever.

Infection_Ag11 said:

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Keyno said:

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Infection_Ag11 said:

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Hitler advocated for regional followed by global domination of the Aryan race, not a specific state reserved for Aryans/Germans. It's not even remotely the same thing.

Why is it ok for there to be *checks notes* 56 Muslim majority nations 49 of whom are de facto Muslim states, 22 Arab states governed in part or entirely by Islamic law, but not ok for the Jews to want one democratic Jewish state?

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The Jews have their own ethnostate. What this OP is showing is that they are land grabbing more territory which they feel entitled to using violent means. Is this OK? Of course not. But the Israeli government seems to have no problem with it (or even tacitly supports it) and you seem to be hand waiving it away with "oh well Jews are historically persecuted so if you are bringing this issue to light you must be doing anti semitism for noticing".

Very weird

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It's their land partitioned to them that they had taken from them, then took over in a defensive war in which they overwhelmed their opposition inside a week, then VOLUNTARILY GIVEN UP TO MAKE PEACE. The only reason the West Bank and Gaza aren't just part of Israel is because of their historically exceptional desire to make peace with demographics that want to kill them. As far as I'm concerned that land is theirs to do with what they please. I have no issue with it whatsoever.

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Yeah I am aware you have no problem with any of this. But surely you can see how others might have a problem with it for reasons other than anti semitism

I think people make exceptions to the moral code they use in every other instance with respect to Israel. Call that what you will. The number of people who are intellectually consistent on this issue across all scenarios on your side of this discussion is zero in my estimation. Such a person may exist, but I have never seen or heard of them in any capacity.

Just as an example, the Venn diagram of people who would support Ukrainian retaking the Donbas one day and people who think Israel has no right to Gaza or the West Bank (and often every other part of Israel) are near overlapping circles.

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I think people make exceptions to the moral code they use in every other instance with respect to Israel. Call that what you will. The number of people who are intellectually consistent on this issue across all scenarios on your side of this discussion is zero in my estimation. Such a person may exist, but I have never seen or heard of them in any capacity.

Just as an example, the Venn diagram of people who would support Ukrainian retaking the Donbas one day and people who think Israel has no right to Gaza or the West Bank (and often every other part of Israel) are near overlapping circles.

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But you yourself seem to be making a moral code exception BECAUSE the perpetrator is Israel. By your own post, israel already gave up this land. But here they are violently taking it and expelling the people living there (primarily on racial lines which overlap with religious). Regardless of who's involved here, most people would agree that is morally questionable at best. But you have no problem with it.

Maybe it's because your sources are not even hiding their bias. There's no facts in the story, just an opinion piece. Maybe present some actual journalistic stories instead of a hit piece with an agenda.

Another source

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/265035/priest-warns-christian-town-of-taybe-in-holy-land-no-longer-safe-amid-settler-attacks

Phatbob said:

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Maybe it's because your sources are not even hiding their bias. There's no facts in the story, just an opinion piece. Maybe present some actual journalistic stories instead of a hit piece with an agenda.

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Dude- the accusation of Israelis violently taking land and expelling the populace is as old as Israel itself. This is not some fake news story.

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Another source

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/265035/priest-warns-christian-town-of-taybe-in-holy-land-no-longer-safe-amid-settler-attacks

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That's not really another source... it's the same source if you read the first story.

Keyno said:

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Phatbob said:

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Maybe it's because your sources are not even hiding their bias. There's no facts in the story, just an opinion piece. Maybe present some actual journalistic stories instead of a hit piece with an agenda.

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Dude- the accusation of Israelis violently taking land and expelling the populace is as old as Israel itself. This is not some fake news story.

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This is not making the point you think it is.

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Seamaster said:

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Another source

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/265035/priest-warns-christian-town-of-taybe-in-holy-land-no-longer-safe-amid-settler-attacks

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That's not really another source... it's the same source if you read the first story.

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Which is a legitimate news agency that's existed for decades and has no axe to grind against Israel.

Looks like Antifa on a Friday night in Los Angeles, Portland, Chicago, etc.

Not the Israeli army.