Hard to tell if that is religious animosity or animosity over land or ethnic background.

Either way...good reason to have something like the 2A.

Hank the Grifter said:

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"Israel" didn't do this. A rogue group of Israeli's did.
Be better.

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What did "Israel" do to stop it?

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There are aholes of every nationality. There are some blatant antisemites and anti-Christians on this board even.

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Extremists are the worst of every group (political, whatever) and religion.

The world would be better off if they all offed themselves.

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There's a small portion of the Jewish population in Israel who are hardcore Jewish and are very intolerant of any non-Jewish neighbors.

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Yeah, you are out of your mind.

To the people in Israel, who actually live there, Israel is a purely Jewish state, and there is no tolerance for Christianity or Islam.

It is not a small portion. It is the overwhelming opinion of most of the people who actually live there.

The Jewish government is also not stupid. Christians are their predominant ally and they try to keep stuff like this under wraps.

I'm pro Israel in the conflict but I absolutely see them for who they are at the same time. They are our friends only because we support them.

Ask the British how that relationship went as soon as these Isreal's stopped getting what they wanted from them.

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Nearly 50% of Israel's population are non-practicing secular Jews, and another 20% are either Muslim or Christian. Only around one third of the population consists of religious Jews, and the ultra-orthodox who many take so many of their Israeli stereotypes from constitute less than 10%.

Have you ever been to Tel Aviv? It's more western and secular than many major American cities.

I know some dual citizen Jews that live in Israel. Many there are not overly religious. Some came due active persecution in countries they're from, others to support that refuge. They believe by living in Israel they are fighting for their beliefs.

Edit to add I've been there twice in last 10 years and Christian.

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There's a small portion of the Jewish population in Israel who are hardcore Jewish and are very intolerant of any non-Jewish neighbors.

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Yeah, you are out of your mind.

To the people in Israel, who actually live there, Israel is a purely Jewish state, and there is no tolerance for Christianity or Islam.

It is not a small portion. It is the overwhelming opinion of most of the people who actually live there.

The Jewish government is also not stupid. Christians are their predominant ally and they try to keep stuff like this under wraps.

I'm pro Israel in the conflict but I absolutely see them for who they are at the same time. They are our friends only because we support them.

Ask the British how that relationship went as soon as these Isreal's stopped getting what they wanted from them.

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Nearly 50% of Israel's population are non-practicing secular Jews, and another 20% are either Muslim or Christian. Only around one third of the population consists of religious Jews, and the ultra-orthodox who many take so many of their Israeli stereotypes from constitute less than 10%.

Have you ever been to Tel Aviv? It's more western and secular than many major American cities.

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Which is why Israel looks at your blood when determining if you are Jewish, not what religion you practice

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AtticusMatlock said:

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There's a small portion of the Jewish population in Israel who are hardcore Jewish and are very intolerant of any non-Jewish neighbors.

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Yeah, you are out of your mind.

To the people in Israel, who actually live there, Israel is a purely Jewish state, and there is no tolerance for Christianity or Islam.

It is not a small portion. It is the overwhelming opinion of most of the people who actually live there.

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Pure ignorance. Most Jews in Israel are secular or moderates, like in the US. They are ethnically Jewish. They don't give a rat's rearend what your religion is. There is a significant Muslim and Christian population that lives in Israel that they live side by side with. If you drive your car on Shabbat through the orthodox quarter, the orthodox are going to throw rocks at you no matter what your religion is. It is evident you have not lived or traveled there.

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CrackerJackAg said:

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There's a small portion of the Jewish population in Israel who are hardcore Jewish and are very intolerant of any non-Jewish neighbors.

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Yeah, you are out of your mind.

To the people in Israel, who actually live there, Israel is a purely Jewish state, and there is no tolerance for Christianity or Islam.

It is not a small portion. It is the overwhelming opinion of most of the people who actually live there.

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Pure ignorance. Most Jews in Israel are secular or moderates, like in the US. They are ethnically Jewish. They don't give a rat's rearend what your religion is. There is a significant Muslim and Christian population that lives in Israel that they live side by side with. If you drive your car on Shabbat through the orthodox quarter, the orthodox are going to throw rocks at you no matter what your religion is. It is evident you have not lived or traveled there.

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Israel is like 2 percent Christian. Hardly a significant population

Keyno said:

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Infection_Ag11 said:

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CrackerJackAg said:

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AtticusMatlock said:

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There's a small portion of the Jewish population in Israel who are hardcore Jewish and are very intolerant of any non-Jewish neighbors.

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Yeah, you are out of your mind.

To the people in Israel, who actually live there, Israel is a purely Jewish state, and there is no tolerance for Christianity or Islam.

It is not a small portion. It is the overwhelming opinion of most of the people who actually live there.

The Jewish government is also not stupid. Christians are their predominant ally and they try to keep stuff like this under wraps.

I'm pro Israel in the conflict but I absolutely see them for who they are at the same time. They are our friends only because we support them.

Ask the British how that relationship went as soon as these Isreal's stopped getting what they wanted from them.

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Nearly 50% of Israel's population are non-practicing secular Jews, and another 20% are either Muslim or Christian. Only around one third of the population consists of religious Jews, and the ultra-orthodox who many take so many of their Israeli stereotypes from constitute less than 10%.

Have you ever been to Tel Aviv? It's more western and secular than many major American cities.

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Which is why Israel looks at your blood when determining if you are Jewish, not what religion you practice

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The vast majority of people on earth are referring to the ethnicity when they say someone is Jewish, so I'm not sure what your point is. Yes, Jews in Israel have an ethnic/cultural cohesion that they cling to. But the people in question, the ones who actively demean and detest non-Jews, are almost exclusively the ultra-orthodox and some orthodox. And guess what? Those type treat non-religious Jews the same way.

The vast majority of Israelis are westernized, secular people who live and behave just like you do and will treat you just fine. That even includes most Israeli Arabs, less than half of whom are devout Muslims.

Keyno said:

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There's a small portion of the Jewish population in Israel who are hardcore Jewish and are very intolerant of any non-Jewish neighbors.

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Yeah, you are out of your mind.

To the people in Israel, who actually live there, Israel is a purely Jewish state, and there is no tolerance for Christianity or Islam.

It is not a small portion. It is the overwhelming opinion of most of the people who actually live there.

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Pure ignorance. Most Jews in Israel are secular or moderates, like in the US. They are ethnically Jewish. They don't give a rat's rearend what your religion is. There is a significant Muslim and Christian population that lives in Israel that they live side by side with. If you drive your car on Shabbat through the orthodox quarter, the orthodox are going to throw rocks at you no matter what your religion is. It is evident you have not lived or traveled there.

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Israel is like 2 percent Christian. Hardly a significant population

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So like the percentage of Jews in our country. 2% is significant.

Orthodox Jews are generally ok. They aren't atheist and actually believe something. Ultra Othodox Jews are low life scum. Many of the men don't work and are welfare sponges. They also have extremely supremacist views. I give no ****s what happens to them.

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Keyno said:

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Infection_Ag11 said:

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There's a small portion of the Jewish population in Israel who are hardcore Jewish and are very intolerant of any non-Jewish neighbors.

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Yeah, you are out of your mind.

To the people in Israel, who actually live there, Israel is a purely Jewish state, and there is no tolerance for Christianity or Islam.

It is not a small portion. It is the overwhelming opinion of most of the people who actually live there.

The Jewish government is also not stupid. Christians are their predominant ally and they try to keep stuff like this under wraps.

I'm pro Israel in the conflict but I absolutely see them for who they are at the same time. They are our friends only because we support them.

Ask the British how that relationship went as soon as these Isreal's stopped getting what they wanted from them.

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Nearly 50% of Israel's population are non-practicing secular Jews, and another 20% are either Muslim or Christian. Only around one third of the population consists of religious Jews, and the ultra-orthodox who many take so many of their Israeli stereotypes from constitute less than 10%.

Have you ever been to Tel Aviv? It's more western and secular than many major American cities.

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Which is why Israel looks at your blood when determining if you are Jewish, not what religion you practice

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The vast majority of people on earth are referring to the ethnicity when they say someone is Jewish, so I'm not sure what your point is. Yes, Jews in Israel have an ethnic/cultural cohesion that they cling to. But the people in question, the ones who actively demean and detest non-Jews, are almost exclusively the ultra-orthodox and some orthodox. And guess what? Those type treat non-religious Jews the same way.

The vast majority of Israelis are westernized, secular people who live and behave just like you do and will treat you just fine. That even includes most Israeli Arabs, less than half of whom are devout Muslims.

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My point was that it's a mistake to look at religion for these land grabs. They occur because the Christians being displaced are Arabs (therefore not racially Jewish).

Keyno said:

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Infection_Ag11 said:

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Keyno said:

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AtticusMatlock said:

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There's a small portion of the Jewish population in Israel who are hardcore Jewish and are very intolerant of any non-Jewish neighbors.

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Yeah, you are out of your mind.

To the people in Israel, who actually live there, Israel is a purely Jewish state, and there is no tolerance for Christianity or Islam.

It is not a small portion. It is the overwhelming opinion of most of the people who actually live there.

The Jewish government is also not stupid. Christians are their predominant ally and they try to keep stuff like this under wraps.

I'm pro Israel in the conflict but I absolutely see them for who they are at the same time. They are our friends only because we support them.

Ask the British how that relationship went as soon as these Isreal's stopped getting what they wanted from them.

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Nearly 50% of Israel's population are non-practicing secular Jews, and another 20% are either Muslim or Christian. Only around one third of the population consists of religious Jews, and the ultra-orthodox who many take so many of their Israeli stereotypes from constitute less than 10%.

Have you ever been to Tel Aviv? It's more western and secular than many major American cities.

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Which is why Israel looks at your blood when determining if you are Jewish, not what religion you practice

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The vast majority of people on earth are referring to the ethnicity when they say someone is Jewish, so I'm not sure what your point is. Yes, Jews in Israel have an ethnic/cultural cohesion that they cling to. But the people in question, the ones who actively demean and detest non-Jews, are almost exclusively the ultra-orthodox and some orthodox. And guess what? Those type treat non-religious Jews the same way.

The vast majority of Israelis are westernized, secular people who live and behave just like you do and will treat you just fine. That even includes most Israeli Arabs, less than half of whom are devout Muslims.

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My point was that it's a mistake to look at religion for these land grabs. They occur because the Christians being displaced are Arabs (therefore not racially Jewish).

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Likely a lot of megachurcher heads just exploded hearing that Arabs can be Christians.

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Keyno said:

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Infection_Ag11 said:

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Keyno said:

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Infection_Ag11 said:

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CrackerJackAg said:

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AtticusMatlock said:

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There's a small portion of the Jewish population in Israel who are hardcore Jewish and are very intolerant of any non-Jewish neighbors.

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Yeah, you are out of your mind.

To the people in Israel, who actually live there, Israel is a purely Jewish state, and there is no tolerance for Christianity or Islam.

It is not a small portion. It is the overwhelming opinion of most of the people who actually live there.

The Jewish government is also not stupid. Christians are their predominant ally and they try to keep stuff like this under wraps.

I'm pro Israel in the conflict but I absolutely see them for who they are at the same time. They are our friends only because we support them.

Ask the British how that relationship went as soon as these Isreal's stopped getting what they wanted from them.

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Nearly 50% of Israel's population are non-practicing secular Jews, and another 20% are either Muslim or Christian. Only around one third of the population consists of religious Jews, and the ultra-orthodox who many take so many of their Israeli stereotypes from constitute less than 10%.

Have you ever been to Tel Aviv? It's more western and secular than many major American cities.

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Which is why Israel looks at your blood when determining if you are Jewish, not what religion you practice

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The vast majority of people on earth are referring to the ethnicity when they say someone is Jewish, so I'm not sure what your point is. Yes, Jews in Israel have an ethnic/cultural cohesion that they cling to. But the people in question, the ones who actively demean and detest non-Jews, are almost exclusively the ultra-orthodox and some orthodox. And guess what? Those type treat non-religious Jews the same way.

The vast majority of Israelis are westernized, secular people who live and behave just like you do and will treat you just fine. That even includes most Israeli Arabs, less than half of whom are devout Muslims.

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My point was that it's a mistake to look at religion for these land grabs. They occur because the Christians being displaced are Arabs (therefore not racially Jewish).

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Likely a lot of megachurcher heads just exploded hearing that Arabs can be Christians.

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In fairness there have been Arab Christians since long, long before there were megachurches.

Of course.

My impression is that the Christians in Palestine are not Arabs. They are genetically closer to the Jews of Christ's day than any other group, including modern Jews. They likely are the direct descendants of the very first Christians in Israel/Palestine.

Most Christians in Palestine identify as Arab. There are also the Jews that were living in the area prior to the modern zionist movement, and most of them identified as Arab too.

Hank the Grifter said:

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"Israel" didn't do this. A rogue group of Israeli's did.
Be better.

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Apologist….

Lol, reminds me of that arab comedian that talks about being arab and christian amd peoples reaction to it at Christmas.

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Most Christians in Palestine identify as Arab. There are also the Jews that were living in the area prior to the modern zionist movement, and most of them identified as Arab too.

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Interesting. I had a client who was a Palestinian Christian, and he, at least, certainly did not identify as an Arab.

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My impression is that the Christians in Palestine are not Arabs. They are genetically closer to the Jews of Christ's day than any other group, including modern Jews. They likely are the direct descendants of the very first Christians in Israel/Palestine.

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Not likely genetically similar at all. Just like the local Jewish population, the local Christian population has fled, been expelled and forcibly mixed and reconstituted numerous times:
-persecuted by the pagan Roman emperors.
-mass conversions with the accession of Constantine around 350AD.
-influx of refugees following the collapse of the Western Roman Empire 150 years later.
-population movements due to rise of schisms.
-Arab conquest 100 years after that. Amplified by the Seljuk conquest 400 years after.
-the crusades not only killed or expelled the remaining Jews from the holy land, it had similar consequences for much of the local Christian population who were viewed as infidels by the invading Europeans.
-the Mamluk conquest in the 1290s resulted in mass depopulation of the area, especially the Christians. Around this time were also several Mongol invasions…we know how they treated people.
-the Ottoman conquest 200 years later resulted in another wave of forced conversions, massacres and emigration out of the area.
-not insignificant Christian immigration since the establishment of modern Israel in 1948.

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. . . Palestinian Christians are 88-97% Israelite. Alongside the Jewish adjacent Israelite sect of Samaritans, they are the most closely related population in the world to the ancient Israelites.

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https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/dammi-israeli-the-genetic-origins-of-the-palestinians/

That's an opinion piece by a law student, not a peer-reviewed study by a geneticist. It's fanciful but has some large historical and logical problems.

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Keyno said:

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There's a small portion of the Jewish population in Israel who are hardcore Jewish and are very intolerant of any non-Jewish neighbors.

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Yeah, you are out of your mind.

To the people in Israel, who actually live there, Israel is a purely Jewish state, and there is no tolerance for Christianity or Islam.

It is not a small portion. It is the overwhelming opinion of most of the people who actually live there.

The Jewish government is also not stupid. Christians are their predominant ally and they try to keep stuff like this under wraps.

I'm pro Israel in the conflict but I absolutely see them for who they are at the same time. They are our friends only because we support them.

Ask the British how that relationship went as soon as these Isreal's stopped getting what they wanted from them.

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Nearly 50% of Israel's population are non-practicing secular Jews, and another 20% are either Muslim or Christian. Only around one third of the population consists of religious Jews, and the ultra-orthodox who many take so many of their Israeli stereotypes from constitute less than 10%.

Have you ever been to Tel Aviv? It's more western and secular than many major American cities.

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Which is why Israel looks at your blood when determining if you are Jewish, not what religion you practice

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The vast majority of people on earth are referring to the ethnicity when they say someone is Jewish, so I'm not sure what your point is. Yes, Jews in Israel have an ethnic/cultural cohesion that they cling to. But the people in question, the ones who actively demean and detest non-Jews, are almost exclusively the ultra-orthodox and some orthodox. And guess what? Those type treat non-religious Jews the same way.

The vast majority of Israelis are westernized, secular people who live and behave just like you do and will treat you just fine. That even includes most Israeli Arabs, less than half of whom are devout Muslims.

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My point was that it's a mistake to look at religion for these land grabs. They occur because the Christians being displaced are Arabs (therefore not racially Jewish).

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Likely a lot of megachurcher heads just exploded hearing that Arabs can be Christians.

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I would hope not, there's something like 15 million Arab Christians globally and 75-80% of them live in the Middle East. They're very common in Israel and Lebanon. If you include Coptic Christians in Egypt (who generally think of themselves as Egyptian rather than Arab but everyone else tends to lump in with Arabs) that number nearly doubles.

Zerohedge is notoriously a site of the worst Jew hatred.

It is literally the American version of Der Sturmer from the Third Reich.

There is LITERALLY a podcast of christians who live in the West Bank and they say they love the Jewish communities near them.

I wonder which is more accurate?

Interested to see how many articles the OP has posted detailing the murders of Christians in Syria last week.

KingofHazor said:

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My impression is that the Christians in Palestine are not Arabs. They are genetically closer to the Jews of Christ's day than any other group, including modern Jews. They likely are the direct descendants of the very first Christians in Israel/Palestine.

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There are definitely genetic links between the Jews of the first century (and thus the first Christians) and today's ethnic Jews, but the diaspora was so interbred with Middle Eastern, North African, Slavic and European populations in the millennia since that modern day Sephardic and especially Ashkenazi Jewish populations are very distinct genetically.

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. . . Palestinian Christians are 88-97% Israelite. Alongside the Jewish adjacent Israelite sect of Samaritans, they are the most closely related population in the world to the ancient Israelites.

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https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/dammi-israeli-the-genetic-origins-of-the-palestinians/

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So what about the Ghassanid Arabs? They never existed and never set up a Christian state in the levant?

If so, that's very sad to hear.

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There's a small portion of the Jewish population in Israel who are hardcore Jewish and are very intolerant of any non-Jewish neighbors.

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Yeah, you are out of your mind.

To the people in Israel, who actually live there, Israel is a purely Jewish state, and there is no tolerance for Christianity or Islam.

It is not a small portion. It is the overwhelming opinion of most of the people who actually live there.

The Jewish government is also not stupid. Christians are their predominant ally and they try to keep stuff like this under wraps.

I'm pro Israel in the conflict but I absolutely see them for who they are at the same time. They are our friends only because we support them.

Ask the British how that relationship went as soon as these Isreal's stopped getting what they wanted from them.

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Nearly 50% of Israel's population are non-practicing secular Jews, and another 20% are either Muslim or Christian. Only around one third of the population consists of religious Jews, and the ultra-orthodox who many take so many of their Israeli stereotypes from constitute less than 10%.

Have you ever been to Tel Aviv? It's more western and secular than many major American cities.

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Mmmkay…

It's situational. Like most people, they will respond to a poll one way until **** hits the fan then act completely different.

I claim to love America, and I do, but get traction on a Texas secession and its adios to the US amigo.

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Zerohedge is notoriously a site of the worst Jew hatred.

It is literally the American version of Der Sturmer from the Third Reich.

There is LITERALLY a podcast of christians who live in the West Bank and they say they love the Jewish communities near them.

I wonder which is more accurate?

Interested to see how many articles the OP has posted detailing the murders of Christians in Syria last week.

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I think everybody knows muslims persecute Christians already. What a lot of people don't seem to know is that racially Jewish people (whether they are religious or not) also persecuted Christians. Although in this particular case it's more about them being arab I would imagine

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LMCane said:

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Zerohedge is notoriously a site of the worst Jew hatred.

It is literally the American version of Der Sturmer from the Third Reich.

There is LITERALLY a podcast of christians who live in the West Bank and they say they love the Jewish communities near them.

I wonder which is more accurate?

Interested to see how many articles the OP has posted detailing the murders of Christians in Syria last week.

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I think everybody knows muslims persecute Christians already. What a lot of people don't seem to know is that racially Jewish people (whether they are religious or not) also persecuted Christians. Although in this particular case it's more about them being arab I would imagine

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But again, what other than roundabout Jewish smears is intended by this? That ethnic/racial/religious groups persecute those not like them is the ubiquitous tale of human history. Pogroms by Christians against Jews was effectively the sport of choice for Europe for nearly a thousand years. In my experience the isolating one particular version of this phenomenon as uniquely notable is nothing but an attempt to paint a particular group as worse/more nefarious than others. Especially with respect to Jews as, in totality, it is inarguable that they are the single group most persecuted individual demographic in recorded human history. For at least 2500 years every struggling society from Babylon to 20th century Europe blamed them for their struggles.

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That's an opinion piece by a law student, not a peer-reviewed study by a geneticist. It's fanciful but has some large historical and logical problems.

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Good grief. There are tons of peer reviewed studies out there. Here's one.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11543891/

This Wikipedia article sites many others.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_the_Palestinians

And if you search for "DNA study of modern Palestinians" you will get a whole bunch of others.

Remember when those Jewish people killed Christ?

It's a people thing not a religious thing. Nothing in the Jewish faith promotes what Islam does.

Touched a nerve? I'm aware of the bombing in Syria of a Christian church in Damascus. Here's the thing: when Muslim extremists do it, its not a surprise. The purpose of the OP was that I was not aware that Christians in Israel face similar threats from...Israelis. We can all agree that extremism is bad. What most might not realize is there are extremists in Israel who want an Israel for Jews only. Which sounds kind of like what Hitler was trying to accomplish in Germany. Ironic.

Hitler advocated for regional followed by global domination of the Aryan race, not a specific state reserved for Aryans/Germans. It's not even remotely the same thing.

Why is it ok for there to be *checks notes* 56 Muslim majority nations 49 of whom are de facto Muslim states, 22 Arab states governed in part or entirely by Islamic law, but not ok for the Jews to want one democratic Jewish state?

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Hitler advocated for regional followed by global domination of the Aryan race, not a specific state reserved for Aryans/Germans. It's not even remotely the same thing.

Why is it ok for there to be *checks notes* 56 Muslim majority nations 49 of whom are de facto Muslim states, 22 Arab states governed in part or entirely by Islamic law, but not ok for the Jews to want one democratic Jewish state?

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The Jews have their own ethnostate. What this OP is showing is that they are land grabbing more territory which they feel entitled to using violent means. Is this OK? Of course not. But the Israeli government seems to have no problem with it (or even tacitly supports it) and you seem to be hand waiving it away with "oh well Jews are historically persecuted so if you are bringing this issue to light you must be doing anti semitism for noticing".

Very weird