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Not wanting to send aid to Israel isn't inherently anti-Semitic, but it is an inescapable reality that a large majority of people who feel very strongly about it fall into one of three camps:

Open and unabashed anti-semites

Anti-semites who hide behind thinly veiled euphemisms and stereotypical tropes

People who are extremely ignorant of the concept of foreign aid in general and have no idea to what extent the luxurious reality they live in was produced and sustained by it

Admittedly opposition on this board falls mostly into the third category, and that is also the camp generic "all foreign aid is bad" midwits tend to fall in. But lots of social media users, the left in general and now an alarming number of right wing influencers seem to be exposing themselves as belonging to the first two.

The Israel issue more than any other has really come to reveal the accuracy of the horseshoe theory of American politics. At the extreme ends of the spectrum, the right and left so often meet and shake hands

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What information is necessary to overcome the ignorance "of the concept of foreign aid in general," when the only damn common sense position is that San Marcos Texas tax dollars don't need to go to any foreign nation, period?

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That is not what the San Marcos City Council said in their resolution.

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If you simply ask your own government to stop sending money to the South African government, money that is being used to persecute white people, would you be guilty of anti-black racism?

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If you were also at the same time calling for the removal of all the black people from the country and advocating for groups that were raping and killing innocent black women and children, then yes.

Wokeness is alive and well on the right, but there are also a lot of folks on the right who are sounding the alarm on this stuff. Criticism of Israel on the right used to be confined to antisemites like Nick Fuentes, but it's spreading everywhere. Americans on all sides are getting tired of supporting Israel. Identity politics are the last refuge people who've lost the argument.

The penalties for conservatives to speak out against Israel's ethnostate identity politics are the same as for those on the left who spoke out against illiberal woke identity politics over the last ten years. You lose career opportunities, get smeared as a bigot and as naive to…

— Lee Fang (@lhfang) May 5, 2025

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Wokeness is alive and well on the right, but there are also a lot of folks on the right who are sounding the alarm on this stuff. Criticism of Israel on the right used to be confined to antisemites like Nick Fuentes, but it's spreading everywhere. Americans on all sides are getting tired of supporting Israel. Identity politics are the last refuge people who've lost the argument.

The penalties for conservatives to speak out against Israel's ethnostate identity politics are the same as for those on the left who spoke out against illiberal woke identity politics over the last ten years. You lose career opportunities, get smeared as a bigot and as naive to…

— Lee Fang (@lhfang) May 5, 2025

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Show me the Venn diagram of those who are currently criticizing Israel and those who use the same arguments of Hamas propaganda, which is absolutely anti-semetic, and I will show you a single circle.

When they become separate, then you have a valid argument, but not until then.

...There are Israeli Jews publicly protesting how this war has been handled by the Israeli government. Where do they fit on the Venn diagram of antisemites?

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San Marcos Texas has called for a cease fire? That oughta move the needle.

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Finally, we've found the key to lasting peace in the Middle East. Who woulda thought to look at Herbert's Taco Hut?

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Second or third time this has been posted on F16, with at least one thread deleted because for the obvious reason.

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the anti-semites are so easy to detect...

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If you simply ask your own government to stop sending money to the South African government, money that is being used to persecute white people, would you be guilty of anti-black racism?

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If you were also at the same time calling for the removal of all the black people from the country and advocating for groups that were raping and killing innocent black women and children, then yes.

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The statement does not call for the removal or Jews from Israel nor does it express support for Hamas. You should try reading it before commenting.

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Wokeness is alive and well on the right, but there are also a lot of folks on the right who are sounding the alarm on this stuff. Criticism of Israel on the right used to be confined to antisemites like Nick Fuentes, but it's spreading everywhere. Americans on all sides are getting tired of supporting Israel. Identity politics are the last refuge people who've lost the argument.

The penalties for conservatives to speak out against Israel's ethnostate identity politics are the same as for those on the left who spoke out against illiberal woke identity politics over the last ten years. You lose career opportunities, get smeared as a bigot and as naive to…

— Lee Fang (@lhfang) May 5, 2025

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Show me the Venn diagram of those who are currently criticizing Israel and those who use the same arguments of Hamas propaganda, which is absolutely anti-semetic, and I will show you a single circle.

When they become separate, then you have a valid argument, but not until then.

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Where would all the Jewish citizens of Israel who protest their own government's actions fit on your diagram?

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Wokeness is alive and well on the right, but there are also a lot of folks on the right who are sounding the alarm on this stuff. Criticism of Israel on the right used to be confined to antisemites like Nick Fuentes, but it's spreading everywhere. Americans on all sides are getting tired of supporting Israel. Identity politics are the last refuge people who've lost the argument.

The penalties for conservatives to speak out against Israel's ethnostate identity politics are the same as for those on the left who spoke out against illiberal woke identity politics over the last ten years. You lose career opportunities, get smeared as a bigot and as naive to…

— Lee Fang (@lhfang) May 5, 2025

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Show me the Venn diagram of those who are currently criticizing Israel and those who use the same arguments of Hamas propaganda, which is absolutely anti-semetic, and I will show you a single circle.

When they become separate, then you have a valid argument, but not until then.

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Where would all the Jewish citizens of Israel who protest their own government's actions fit on your diagram?

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Since you are keen on reading, which I did read their statement, they would fall into the:

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part of the circle

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If you simply ask your own government to stop sending money to the South African government, money that is being used to persecute white people, would you be guilty of anti-black racism?

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If you were also at the same time calling for the removal of all the black people from the country and advocating for groups that were raping and killing innocent black women and children, then yes.

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The statement does not call for the removal or Jews from Israel nor does it express support for Hamas. You should try reading it before commenting.

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The why does the document refer to "Israel's 77-year occupation"? That's not just talking about the "West Bank" and the Gaza Strip, but calling the State of Israel's very existence (since 1948) illegitimate.

Just f***ing admit that you're an antisemite.

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Wokeness is alive and well on the right, but there are also a lot of folks on the right who are sounding the alarm on this stuff. Criticism of Israel on the right used to be confined to antisemites like Nick Fuentes, but it's spreading everywhere. Americans on all sides are getting tired of supporting Israel. Identity politics are the last refuge people who've lost the argument.

The penalties for conservatives to speak out against Israel's ethnostate identity politics are the same as for those on the left who spoke out against illiberal woke identity politics over the last ten years. You lose career opportunities, get smeared as a bigot and as naive to…

— Lee Fang (@lhfang) May 5, 2025

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Show me the Venn diagram of those who are currently criticizing Israel and those who use the same arguments of Hamas propaganda, which is absolutely anti-semetic, and I will show you a single circle.

When they become separate, then you have a valid argument, but not until then.

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Where would all the Jewish citizens of Israel who protest their own government's actions fit on your diagram?

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Since you are keen on reading, which I did read their statement, they would fall into the:

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those who use the same arguments of Hamas propaganda, which is absolutely anti-semetic

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part of the circle

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That's about what I expected. Nice chatting with you.

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Wokeness is alive and well on the right, but there are also a lot of folks on the right who are sounding the alarm on this stuff. Criticism of Israel on the right used to be confined to antisemites like Nick Fuentes, but it's spreading everywhere. Americans on all sides are getting tired of supporting Israel. Identity politics are the last refuge people who've lost the argument.

The penalties for conservatives to speak out against Israel's ethnostate identity politics are the same as for those on the left who spoke out against illiberal woke identity politics over the last ten years. You lose career opportunities, get smeared as a bigot and as naive to…

— Lee Fang (@lhfang) May 5, 2025

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Show me the Venn diagram of those who are currently criticizing Israel and those who use the same arguments of Hamas propaganda, which is absolutely anti-semetic, and I will show you a single circle.

When they become separate, then you have a valid argument, but not until then.

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Where would all the Jewish citizens of Israel who protest their own government's actions fit on your diagram?

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Since you are keen on reading, which I did read their statement, they would fall into the:

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those who use the same arguments of Hamas propaganda, which is absolutely anti-semetic

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part of the circle

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That's about what I expected. Nice chatting with you.

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People do and should have disagreements with what every governments does. If you want to share some disagreements that you have with Israel that don't match up with Hamas propaganda, please do. But that statement from San Marcos absolutely is just that. That being said, just because someone repeats antisemetic rhetoric from a group that they have been duped into being sympathetic to doesn't necessarily make that person antisemetic, but that still doesn't excuse them repeating it.

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If you simply ask your own government to stop sending money to the South African government, money that is being used to persecute white people, would you be guilty of anti-black racism?

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If you were also at the same time calling for the removal of all the black people from the country and advocating for groups that were raping and killing innocent black women and children, then yes.

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The statement does not call for the removal or Jews from Israel nor does it express support for Hamas. You should try reading it before commenting.

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The why does the document refer to "Israel's 77-year occupation"? That's not just talking about the "West Bank" and the Gaza Strip, but calling the State of Israel's very existence (since 1948) illegitimate.

Just f***ing admit that you're an antisemite.

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Thanks for proving my point yet again. Anyone who disagrees with your interpretation of history is an antisemite. You're not doing your cause any favors here. If you really want to convince me that the intent behind this statement is antisemitic, you couldn't pick a worse way to do it.

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Tax dollars are mentioned in the city's resolution they drafted, and that's what I am referring to for the sake of this conversation. Regardless, I don't think supporting Palestinian sovereignty or an embargo on the State of Israel has anything to do with antisemitism. Again see Antizionist Jews as an example of how that label doesn't work here...

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Yes it does. Why else would you place an embargo on Israel? They've done nothing but fight back against terrorist that kidnapped, raped and murdered innocent Jews.

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They've been occupying and illegally settling the West Bank and terrorizing Gaza for the last 60 years. They've killed countless civilians, children, journalists, aid workers and accused them all of being terrorists. They're trying to starve what's left of the civilian population. You're free to support that with your time and money. I feel no such obligation.

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They have done no such thing. The only "terror" they have inflicted were retaliatory from ACTUAL terror attacks.

And they are trying to get back hostages from these animals that kidnapped, raped and murdered innocent civilians.

They have a right to fight back when attacked. That's not terror. That's common sense.
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And a government talking about embargos against a country that is actually practicing self-defense shows MASSIVE antisemitism.

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Would you apply this same justification to Palestinians?

Or is it Israeli aggression=noble self defense, Palestinian aggression=terrorism

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Tax dollars are mentioned in the city's resolution they drafted, and that's what I am referring to for the sake of this conversation. Regardless, I don't think supporting Palestinian sovereignty or an embargo on the State of Israel has anything to do with antisemitism. Again see Antizionist Jews as an example of how that label doesn't work here...

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Yes it does. Why else would you place an embargo on Israel? They've done nothing but fight back against terrorist that kidnapped, raped and murdered innocent Jews.

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They've been occupying and illegally settling the West Bank and terrorizing Gaza for the last 60 years. They've killed countless civilians, children, journalists, aid workers and accused them all of being terrorists. They're trying to starve what's left of the civilian population. You're free to support that with your time and money. I feel no such obligation.

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They have done no such thing. The only "terror" they have inflicted were retaliatory from ACTUAL terror attacks.

And they are trying to get back hostages from these animals that kidnapped, raped and murdered innocent civilians.

They have a right to fight back when attacked. That's not terror. That's common sense.
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And a government talking about embargos against a country that is actually practicing self-defense shows MASSIVE antisemitism.

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Would you apply this same justification to Palestinians?

Or is it Israeli aggression=noble self defense, Palestinian aggression=terrorism

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Let me try to clear this up.

1. Terrorist invade a country, unprovoked other than being a certain race, kidnap women and children, rape and murder the women, and still have them. - That is called terrorism

2. Country that was invaded and tries to recover the hostages - That is NOT called terrorism

Hope that helps clear that one up.

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Gig em G said:

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Tax dollars are mentioned in the city's resolution they drafted, and that's what I am referring to for the sake of this conversation. Regardless, I don't think supporting Palestinian sovereignty or an embargo on the State of Israel has anything to do with antisemitism. Again see Antizionist Jews as an example of how that label doesn't work here...

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Yes it does. Why else would you place an embargo on Israel? They've done nothing but fight back against terrorist that kidnapped, raped and murdered innocent Jews.

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They've been occupying and illegally settling the West Bank and terrorizing Gaza for the last 60 years. They've killed countless civilians, children, journalists, aid workers and accused them all of being terrorists. They're trying to starve what's left of the civilian population. You're free to support that with your time and money. I feel no such obligation.

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They have done no such thing. The only "terror" they have inflicted were retaliatory from ACTUAL terror attacks.

And they are trying to get back hostages from these animals that kidnapped, raped and murdered innocent civilians.

They have a right to fight back when attacked. That's not terror. That's common sense.
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And a government talking about embargos against a country that is actually practicing self-defense shows MASSIVE antisemitism.

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Would you apply this same justification to Palestinians?

Or is it Israeli aggression=noble self defense, Palestinian aggression=terrorism

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Let me try to clear this up.

1. Terrorist invade a country, unprovoked other than being a certain race, kidnap women and children, rape and murder the women, and still have them. - That is called terrorism

2. Country that was invaded and tries to recover the hostages - That is NOT called terrorism

Hope that helps clear that one up.

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Ok but did history begin on October 7 2023? Or do you just outright deny the crimes israel has committed against Palestinians for decades which esteban already laid out.

Keyno said:

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Keyno said:

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Gig em G said:

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Tax dollars are mentioned in the city's resolution they drafted, and that's what I am referring to for the sake of this conversation. Regardless, I don't think supporting Palestinian sovereignty or an embargo on the State of Israel has anything to do with antisemitism. Again see Antizionist Jews as an example of how that label doesn't work here...

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Yes it does. Why else would you place an embargo on Israel? They've done nothing but fight back against terrorist that kidnapped, raped and murdered innocent Jews.

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They've been occupying and illegally settling the West Bank and terrorizing Gaza for the last 60 years. They've killed countless civilians, children, journalists, aid workers and accused them all of being terrorists. They're trying to starve what's left of the civilian population. You're free to support that with your time and money. I feel no such obligation.

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They have done no such thing. The only "terror" they have inflicted were retaliatory from ACTUAL terror attacks.

And they are trying to get back hostages from these animals that kidnapped, raped and murdered innocent civilians.

They have a right to fight back when attacked. That's not terror. That's common sense.
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And a government talking about embargos against a country that is actually practicing self-defense shows MASSIVE antisemitism.

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Would you apply this same justification to Palestinians?

Or is it Israeli aggression=noble self defense, Palestinian aggression=terrorism

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Let me try to clear this up.

1. Terrorist invade a country, unprovoked other than being a certain race, kidnap women and children, rape and murder the women, and still have them. - That is called terrorism

2. Country that was invaded and tries to recover the hostages - That is NOT called terrorism

Hope that helps clear that one up.

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Ok but did history begin on October 7 2023? Or do you just outright deny the crimes israel has committed against Palestinians for decades which esteban already laid out.

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he laid out nothing but a bunch of unproven propaganda. Sorry, Israel retaliates. Harshly, I might add.

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Ok but did history begin on October 7 2023? Or do you just outright deny the crimes israel has committed against Palestinians for decades which esteban already laid out.

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Please expand on this, I have not seen this in this thread. I believe this will help frame your argument.

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Ok but did history begin on October 7 2023? Or do you just outright deny the crimes israel has committed against Palestinians for decades which esteban already laid out.

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Please expand on this, I have not seen this in this thread. I believe this will help frame your argument.

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Sure

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_violations_against_Palestinians_by_Israel

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Ok but did history begin on October 7 2023? Or do you just outright deny the crimes israel has committed against Palestinians for decades which esteban already laid out.

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Please expand on this, I have not seen this in this thread. I believe this will help frame your argument.

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Sure

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_violations_against_Palestinians_by_Israel

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Wiki?? You know that was written by Ilhan Omar

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Gig em G said:

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Tax dollars are mentioned in the city's resolution they drafted, and that's what I am referring to for the sake of this conversation. Regardless, I don't think supporting Palestinian sovereignty or an embargo on the State of Israel has anything to do with antisemitism. Again see Antizionist Jews as an example of how that label doesn't work here...

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Yes it does. Why else would you place an embargo on Israel? They've done nothing but fight back against terrorist that kidnapped, raped and murdered innocent Jews.

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They've been occupying and illegally settling the West Bank and terrorizing Gaza for the last 60 years. They've killed countless civilians, children, journalists, aid workers and accused them all of being terrorists. They're trying to starve what's left of the civilian population. You're free to support that with your time and money. I feel no such obligation.

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They have done no such thing. The only "terror" they have inflicted were retaliatory from ACTUAL terror attacks.

And they are trying to get back hostages from these animals that kidnapped, raped and murdered innocent civilians.

They have a right to fight back when attacked. That's not terror. That's common sense.
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And a government talking about embargos against a country that is actually practicing self-defense shows MASSIVE antisemitism.

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Would you apply this same justification to Palestinians?

Or is it Israeli aggression=noble self defense, Palestinian aggression=terrorism

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Palestinians have no more right to "resist" Israel the Germans did to "resist" Russia's annexation of Königsberg.

Their Mufti was a literal Nazi collaborator who met with Hitler to discuss a "final solution to the Jewish problem" in Palestine. When Israel declared independence in 1948, the Arabs of Palestine (not counting the ones who accepted Israeli citizenship) joined their neighbors in a war of genocidal aggression. And lost.

They had a rematch in 1967, which ended with Israel in control of the entire British Mandate terrory (plus the Sinai and Golan Heights). That could have been the permanent end of "Palestine", but Israel decided to be merciful and let the Arabs stay. That turned out to be a huge mistake.

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esteban said:

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Gig em G said:

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Tax dollars are mentioned in the city's resolution they drafted, and that's what I am referring to for the sake of this conversation. Regardless, I don't think supporting Palestinian sovereignty or an embargo on the State of Israel has anything to do with antisemitism. Again see Antizionist Jews as an example of how that label doesn't work here...

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Yes it does. Why else would you place an embargo on Israel? They've done nothing but fight back against terrorist that kidnapped, raped and murdered innocent Jews.

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They've been occupying and illegally settling the West Bank and terrorizing Gaza for the last 60 years. They've killed countless civilians, children, journalists, aid workers and accused them all of being terrorists. They're trying to starve what's left of the civilian population. You're free to support that with your time and money. I feel no such obligation.

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They have done no such thing. The only "terror" they have inflicted were retaliatory from ACTUAL terror attacks.

And they are trying to get back hostages from these animals that kidnapped, raped and murdered innocent civilians.

They have a right to fight back when attacked. That's not terror. That's common sense.
.
And a government talking about embargos against a country that is actually practicing self-defense shows MASSIVE antisemitism.

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Would you apply this same justification to Palestinians?

Or is it Israeli aggression=noble self defense, Palestinian aggression=terrorism

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Let me try to clear this up.

1. Terrorist invade a country, unprovoked other than being a certain race, kidnap women and children, rape and murder the women, and still have them. - That is called terrorism

2. Country that was invaded and tries to recover the hostages - That is NOT called terrorism

Hope that helps clear that one up.

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Ok but did history begin on October 7 2023? Or do you just outright deny the crimes israel has committed against Palestinians for decades which esteban already laid out.

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Sure.

But the "aggression" cannot be random terrorist acts against civilians.

Couple of babies on here that are big mad that their boys can't win the fight that they picked themselves.

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Ok but did history begin on October 7 2023? Or do you just outright deny the crimes israel has committed against Palestinians for decades which esteban already laid out.

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Please expand on this, I have not seen this in this thread. I believe this will help frame your argument.

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Sure

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_violations_against_Palestinians_by_Israel

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Don't care, they are a cancer

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Ok but did history begin on October 7 2023? Or do you just outright deny the crimes israel has committed against Palestinians for decades which esteban already laid out.

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Please expand on this, I have not seen this in this thread. I believe this will help frame your argument.

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Sure

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_violations_against_Palestinians_by_Israel

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Ahh yes, the ever unbiased wikipedia, including the "Harvesting of Palestinian Organs" section. As well as the "children targeted in random shootings, gassings and violence by soldiers and by settlers sponsored by the state".

It's totally free of propaganda.

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Ok but did history begin on October 7 2023? Or do you just outright deny the crimes israel has committed against Palestinians for decades which esteban already laid out.

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Please expand on this, I have not seen this in this thread. I believe this will help frame your argument.

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Sure

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_violations_against_Palestinians_by_Israel

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Ahh yes, the ever unbiased wikipedia, including the "Harvesting of Palestinian Organs" section. As well as the "children targeted in random shootings, gassings and violence by soldiers and by settlers sponsored by the state".

It's totally free of propaganda.

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Exactly

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Gig em G said:

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Tax dollars are mentioned in the city's resolution they drafted, and that's what I am referring to for the sake of this conversation. Regardless, I don't think supporting Palestinian sovereignty or an embargo on the State of Israel has anything to do with antisemitism. Again see Antizionist Jews as an example of how that label doesn't work here...

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Yes it does. Why else would you place an embargo on Israel? They've done nothing but fight back against terrorist that kidnapped, raped and murdered innocent Jews.

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They've been occupying and illegally settling the West Bank and terrorizing Gaza for the last 60 years. They've killed countless civilians, children, journalists, aid workers and accused them all of being terrorists. They're trying to starve what's left of the civilian population. You're free to support that with your time and money. I feel no such obligation.

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They have done no such thing. The only "terror" they have inflicted were retaliatory from ACTUAL terror attacks.

And they are trying to get back hostages from these animals that kidnapped, raped and murdered innocent civilians.

They have a right to fight back when attacked. That's not terror. That's common sense.
.
And a government talking about embargos against a country that is actually practicing self-defense shows MASSIVE antisemitism.

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Would you apply this same justification to Palestinians?

Or is it Israeli aggression=noble self defense, Palestinian aggression=terrorism

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Let me try to clear this up.

1. Terrorist invade a country, unprovoked other than being a certain race, kidnap women and children, rape and murder the women, and still have them. - That is called terrorism

2. Country that was invaded and tries to recover the hostages - That is NOT called terrorism

Hope that helps clear that one up.

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Ok but did history begin on October 7 2023? Or do you just outright deny the crimes israel has committed against Palestinians for decades which esteban already laid out.

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Sure.

But the "aggression" cannot be random terrorist acts against civilians.

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Again- does this apply to israel indiscriminately bombing civilian infastructure in gaza since october 7?

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Ok but did history begin on October 7 2023? Or do you just outright deny the crimes israel has committed against Palestinians for decades which esteban already laid out.

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he laid out nothing but a bunch of unproven propaganda. Sorry, Israel retaliates. Harshly, I might add.

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I've laid out nothing that isn't based on documented evidence. There is no dispute that Israel has bombed hospitals, schools, and aid convoys. They claim they were all Hamas bases. Forgive me for being skeptical of their propaganda, but even they don't deny these things are happening. Challenging the facts I present is fair game, and I welcome you to do so.

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Tax dollars are mentioned in the city's resolution they drafted, and that's what I am referring to for the sake of this conversation. Regardless, I don't think supporting Palestinian sovereignty or an embargo on the State of Israel has anything to do with antisemitism. Again see Antizionist Jews as an example of how that label doesn't work here...

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Yes it does. Why else would you place an embargo on Israel? They've done nothing but fight back against terrorist that kidnapped, raped and murdered innocent Jews.

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They've been occupying and illegally settling the West Bank and terrorizing Gaza for the last 60 years. They've killed countless civilians, children, journalists, aid workers and accused them all of being terrorists. They're trying to starve what's left of the civilian population. You're free to support that with your time and money. I feel no such obligation.

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They have done no such thing. The only "terror" they have inflicted were retaliatory from ACTUAL terror attacks.

And they are trying to get back hostages from these animals that kidnapped, raped and murdered innocent civilians.

They have a right to fight back when attacked. That's not terror. That's common sense.
.
And a government talking about embargos against a country that is actually practicing self-defense shows MASSIVE antisemitism.

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Would you apply this same justification to Palestinians?

Or is it Israeli aggression=noble self defense, Palestinian aggression=terrorism

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Let me try to clear this up.

1. Terrorist invade a country, unprovoked other than being a certain race, kidnap women and children, rape and murder the women, and still have them. - That is called terrorism

2. Country that was invaded and tries to recover the hostages - That is NOT called terrorism

Hope that helps clear that one up.

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Ok but did history begin on October 7 2023? Or do you just outright deny the crimes israel has committed against Palestinians for decades which esteban already laid out.

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Sure.

But the "aggression" cannot be random terrorist acts against civilians.

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Again- does this apply to israel indiscriminately bombing civilian infastructure in gaza since october 7?

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Are you applying the "civilian infastructure" label to the water pipes that were turned into rockets, or something different?

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pagerman @ work said:

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Keyno said:

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Science Denier said:

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Keyno said:

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Science Denier said:

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esteban said:

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Gig em G said:

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Tax dollars are mentioned in the city's resolution they drafted, and that's what I am referring to for the sake of this conversation. Regardless, I don't think supporting Palestinian sovereignty or an embargo on the State of Israel has anything to do with antisemitism. Again see Antizionist Jews as an example of how that label doesn't work here...

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Yes it does. Why else would you place an embargo on Israel? They've done nothing but fight back against terrorist that kidnapped, raped and murdered innocent Jews.

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They've been occupying and illegally settling the West Bank and terrorizing Gaza for the last 60 years. They've killed countless civilians, children, journalists, aid workers and accused them all of being terrorists. They're trying to starve what's left of the civilian population. You're free to support that with your time and money. I feel no such obligation.

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They have done no such thing. The only "terror" they have inflicted were retaliatory from ACTUAL terror attacks.

And they are trying to get back hostages from these animals that kidnapped, raped and murdered innocent civilians.

They have a right to fight back when attacked. That's not terror. That's common sense.
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And a government talking about embargos against a country that is actually practicing self-defense shows MASSIVE antisemitism.

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Would you apply this same justification to Palestinians?

Or is it Israeli aggression=noble self defense, Palestinian aggression=terrorism

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Let me try to clear this up.

1. Terrorist invade a country, unprovoked other than being a certain race, kidnap women and children, rape and murder the women, and still have them. - That is called terrorism

2. Country that was invaded and tries to recover the hostages - That is NOT called terrorism

Hope that helps clear that one up.

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Ok but did history begin on October 7 2023? Or do you just outright deny the crimes israel has committed against Palestinians for decades which esteban already laid out.

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Sure.

But the "aggression" cannot be random terrorist acts against civilians.

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Again- does this apply to israel indiscriminately bombing civilian infastructure in gaza since october 7?

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That falls under the "don't pick a fight and then try to hide behind mom's skirt" rule.

"Civilian infrastructure" isn't the same as targeting civilians. Which is exactly (and exclusively) what Hamas did on 10/7/2023.

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Ok but did history begin on October 7 2023? Or do you just outright deny the crimes israel has committed against Palestinians for decades which esteban already laid out.

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he laid out nothing but a bunch of unproven propaganda. Sorry, Israel retaliates. Harshly, I might add.

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I've laid out nothing that isn't based on documented evidence. There is no dispute that Israel has bombed hospitals, schools, and aid convoys. They claim they were all Hamas bases. Forgive me for being skeptical of their propaganda, but even they don't deny these things are happening. Challenging the facts I present is fair game, and I welcome you to do so.

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Hamas routinely uses hospitals and schools as locations to launch attacks on civilian targets in Israel, so that attempted deflection is a non-starter.

I'm willing to listen to the aid convoy narrative, but with a very jaundiced eye. Hamas are the worst of the worst.

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pagerman @ work said:

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Keyno said:

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Science Denier said:

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Keyno said:

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Science Denier said:

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esteban said:

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Science Denier said:

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Gig em G said:

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Tax dollars are mentioned in the city's resolution they drafted, and that's what I am referring to for the sake of this conversation. Regardless, I don't think supporting Palestinian sovereignty or an embargo on the State of Israel has anything to do with antisemitism. Again see Antizionist Jews as an example of how that label doesn't work here...

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Yes it does. Why else would you place an embargo on Israel? They've done nothing but fight back against terrorist that kidnapped, raped and murdered innocent Jews.

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They've been occupying and illegally settling the West Bank and terrorizing Gaza for the last 60 years. They've killed countless civilians, children, journalists, aid workers and accused them all of being terrorists. They're trying to starve what's left of the civilian population. You're free to support that with your time and money. I feel no such obligation.

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They have done no such thing. The only "terror" they have inflicted were retaliatory from ACTUAL terror attacks.

And they are trying to get back hostages from these animals that kidnapped, raped and murdered innocent civilians.

They have a right to fight back when attacked. That's not terror. That's common sense.
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And a government talking about embargos against a country that is actually practicing self-defense shows MASSIVE antisemitism.

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Would you apply this same justification to Palestinians?

Or is it Israeli aggression=noble self defense, Palestinian aggression=terrorism

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Let me try to clear this up.

1. Terrorist invade a country, unprovoked other than being a certain race, kidnap women and children, rape and murder the women, and still have them. - That is called terrorism

2. Country that was invaded and tries to recover the hostages - That is NOT called terrorism

Hope that helps clear that one up.

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Ok but did history begin on October 7 2023? Or do you just outright deny the crimes israel has committed against Palestinians for decades which esteban already laid out.

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Sure.

But the "aggression" cannot be random terrorist acts against civilians.

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Again- does this apply to israel indiscriminately bombing civilian infastructure in gaza since october 7?

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That falls under the "don't pick a fight and then try to hide behind mom's skirt" rule.

"Civilian infrastructure" isn't the same as targeting civilians. Which is exactly (and exclusively) what Hamas did on 10/7/2023.

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Israel has killed orders of magnitude more civilians than enemy combatants since their current war in Gaza began.

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Couple of babies on here that are big mad that their boys can't win the fight that they picked themselves.

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Or maybe I just think that my money would be better spent elsewhere. This is Israel's fight. We aren't obligated to stop them, but we don't have to pay for it. It really is that simple folks. You want to stop sending our money overseas? Well here's a great place to start. Put your America-First money where your mouth is.