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Tax dollars are mentioned in the city's resolution they drafted, and that's what I am referring to for the sake of this conversation. Regardless, I don't think supporting Palestinian sovereignty or an embargo on the State of Israel has anything to do with antisemitism. Again see Antizionist Jews as an example of how that label doesn't work here...

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Yes it does. Why else would you place an embargo on Israel? They've done nothing but fight back against terrorist that kidnapped, raped and murdered innocent Jews.

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They've been occupying and illegally settling the West Bank and terrorizing Gaza for the last 60 years. They've killed countless civilians, children, journalists, aid workers and accused them all of being terrorists. They're trying to starve what's left of the civilian population. You're free to support that with your time and money. I feel no such obligation.

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They have done no such thing. The only "terror" they have inflicted were retaliatory from ACTUAL terror attacks.

And they are trying to get back hostages from these animals that kidnapped, raped and murdered innocent civilians.

They have a right to fight back when attacked. That's not terror. That's common sense.
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And a government talking about embargos against a country that is actually practicing self-defense shows MASSIVE antisemitism.

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Would you apply this same justification to Palestinians?

Or is it Israeli aggression=noble self defense, Palestinian aggression=terrorism

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Let me try to clear this up.

1. Terrorist invade a country, unprovoked other than being a certain race, kidnap women and children, rape and murder the women, and still have them. - That is called terrorism

2. Country that was invaded and tries to recover the hostages - That is NOT called terrorism

Hope that helps clear that one up.

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Ok but did history begin on October 7 2023? Or do you just outright deny the crimes israel has committed against Palestinians for decades which esteban already laid out.

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Sure.

But the "aggression" cannot be random terrorist acts against civilians.

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Again- does this apply to israel indiscriminately bombing civilian infastructure in gaza since october 7?

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That falls under the "don't pick a fight and then try to hide behind mom's skirt" rule.

"Civilian infrastructure" isn't the same as targeting civilians. Which is exactly (and exclusively) what Hamas did on 10/7/2023.

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Israel has killed orders of magnitude more civilians than enemy combatants since their current war in Gaza began.

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Objection, assumes facts not in evidence.

And "reciprocity" is not really a thing in total war.

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Ok but did history begin on October 7 2023? Or do you just outright deny the crimes israel has committed against Palestinians for decades which esteban already laid out.

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he laid out nothing but a bunch of unproven propaganda. Sorry, Israel retaliates. Harshly, I might add.

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I've laid out nothing that isn't based on documented evidence. There is no dispute that Israel has bombed hospitals, schools, and aid convoys. They claim they were all Hamas bases. Forgive me for being skeptical of their propaganda, but even they don't deny these things are happening. Challenging the facts I present is fair game, and I welcome you to do so.

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If it is Israeli propaganda, where did all the weapons Hamas have come from? How could they possibly have been even in existence? Since they have only "received aid" for the last 20 years... it shouldn't exist. Since there are no official places for the Hamas organization to hide their rockets and guns... why are any still around? Is it because Israel hasn't bombed all the hospitals and schools, and because they still get "aid convoys"? Your "facts" don't add up.

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Tax dollars are mentioned in the city's resolution they drafted, and that's what I am referring to for the sake of this conversation. Regardless, I don't think supporting Palestinian sovereignty or an embargo on the State of Israel has anything to do with antisemitism. Again see Antizionist Jews as an example of how that label doesn't work here...

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Yes it does. Why else would you place an embargo on Israel? They've done nothing but fight back against terrorist that kidnapped, raped and murdered innocent Jews.

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They've been occupying and illegally settling the West Bank and terrorizing Gaza for the last 60 years. They've killed countless civilians, children, journalists, aid workers and accused them all of being terrorists. They're trying to starve what's left of the civilian population. You're free to support that with your time and money. I feel no such obligation.

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They have done no such thing. The only "terror" they have inflicted were retaliatory from ACTUAL terror attacks.

And they are trying to get back hostages from these animals that kidnapped, raped and murdered innocent civilians.

They have a right to fight back when attacked. That's not terror. That's common sense.
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And a government talking about embargos against a country that is actually practicing self-defense shows MASSIVE antisemitism.

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Would you apply this same justification to Palestinians?

Or is it Israeli aggression=noble self defense, Palestinian aggression=terrorism

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Let me try to clear this up.

1. Terrorist invade a country, unprovoked other than being a certain race, kidnap women and children, rape and murder the women, and still have them. - That is called terrorism

2. Country that was invaded and tries to recover the hostages - That is NOT called terrorism

Hope that helps clear that one up.

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Ok but did history begin on October 7 2023? Or do you just outright deny the crimes israel has committed against Palestinians for decades which esteban already laid out.

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Sure.

But the "aggression" cannot be random terrorist acts against civilians.

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Again- does this apply to israel indiscriminately bombing civilian infastructure in gaza since october 7?

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Are you applying the "civilian infastructure" label to the water pipes that were turned into rockets, or something different?

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Damn right I am.

Is the government harboring the terrorists willing to hand over the terrorists, release the hostages and apologize for not doing it sooner?

Didn't think so. Why is that. Well, it's because the government is sponsoring the terrorists.

You see, when a state sponsored terror campaign invades a country does the following
- kidnap 1,400 women and children,
- rape the women to the point of death
- murders many more of the hostages
- hide in the sponsoring country

Well, if the country doesn't arrest the hostages, hand them over, release the hostages and just hides them in their country, that's an act of war. That means EVERYTHING is fair game. Go in with troops.

Only stop when the state sponsoring the terrorism gives up the terrorists, the hostages and asks for forgiveness.

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Gig em G said:

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Tax dollars are mentioned in the city's resolution they drafted, and that's what I am referring to for the sake of this conversation. Regardless, I don't think supporting Palestinian sovereignty or an embargo on the State of Israel has anything to do with antisemitism. Again see Antizionist Jews as an example of how that label doesn't work here...

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Yes it does. Why else would you place an embargo on Israel? They've done nothing but fight back against terrorist that kidnapped, raped and murdered innocent Jews.

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They've been occupying and illegally settling the West Bank and terrorizing Gaza for the last 60 years. They've killed countless civilians, children, journalists, aid workers and accused them all of being terrorists. They're trying to starve what's left of the civilian population. You're free to support that with your time and money. I feel no such obligation.

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They have done no such thing. The only "terror" they have inflicted were retaliatory from ACTUAL terror attacks.

And they are trying to get back hostages from these animals that kidnapped, raped and murdered innocent civilians.

They have a right to fight back when attacked. That's not terror. That's common sense.
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And a government talking about embargos against a country that is actually practicing self-defense shows MASSIVE antisemitism.

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Would you apply this same justification to Palestinians?

Or is it Israeli aggression=noble self defense, Palestinian aggression=terrorism

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Let me try to clear this up.

1. Terrorist invade a country, unprovoked other than being a certain race, kidnap women and children, rape and murder the women, and still have them. - That is called terrorism

2. Country that was invaded and tries to recover the hostages - That is NOT called terrorism

Hope that helps clear that one up.

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Ok but did history begin on October 7 2023? Or do you just outright deny the crimes israel has committed against Palestinians for decades which esteban already laid out.

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Sure.

But the "aggression" cannot be random terrorist acts against civilians.

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Again- does this apply to israel indiscriminately bombing civilian infastructure in gaza since october 7?

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That falls under the "don't pick a fight and then try to hide behind mom's skirt" rule.

"Civilian infrastructure" isn't the same as targeting civilians. Which is exactly (and exclusively) what Hamas did on 10/7/2023.

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Israel has killed orders of magnitude more civilians than enemy combatants since their current war in Gaza began.

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When a country invades another country, rapes and murders their citizens, then, well, you get what is coming.

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Tax dollars are mentioned in the city's resolution they drafted, and that's what I am referring to for the sake of this conversation. Regardless, I don't think supporting Palestinian sovereignty or an embargo on the State of Israel has anything to do with antisemitism. Again see Antizionist Jews as an example of how that label doesn't work here...

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Yes it does. Why else would you place an embargo on Israel? They've done nothing but fight back against terrorist that kidnapped, raped and murdered innocent Jews.

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They've been occupying and illegally settling the West Bank and terrorizing Gaza for the last 60 years. They've killed countless civilians, children, journalists, aid workers and accused them all of being terrorists. They're trying to starve what's left of the civilian population. You're free to support that with your time and money. I feel no such obligation.

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They have done no such thing. The only "terror" they have inflicted were retaliatory from ACTUAL terror attacks.

And they are trying to get back hostages from these animals that kidnapped, raped and murdered innocent civilians.

They have a right to fight back when attacked. That's not terror. That's common sense.
.
And a government talking about embargos against a country that is actually practicing self-defense shows MASSIVE antisemitism.

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Would you apply this same justification to Palestinians?

Or is it Israeli aggression=noble self defense, Palestinian aggression=terrorism

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Let me try to clear this up.

1. Terrorist invade a country, unprovoked other than being a certain race, kidnap women and children, rape and murder the women, and still have them. - That is called terrorism

2. Country that was invaded and tries to recover the hostages - That is NOT called terrorism

Hope that helps clear that one up.

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Ok but did history begin on October 7 2023? Or do you just outright deny the crimes israel has committed against Palestinians for decades which esteban already laid out.

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Sure.

But the "aggression" cannot be random terrorist acts against civilians.

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Again- does this apply to israel indiscriminately bombing civilian infastructure in gaza since october 7?

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That falls under the "don't pick a fight and then try to hide behind mom's skirt" rule.

"Civilian infrastructure" isn't the same as targeting civilians. Which is exactly (and exclusively) what Hamas did on 10/7/2023.

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Israel has killed orders of magnitude more civilians than enemy combatants since their current war in Gaza began.

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When a country invades another country, rapes and murders their citizens, then, well, you get what is coming.

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OK cool. We have your admission of israeli committing war crimes against palestinians. Weren't you the guy earlier who said if you are attacked you have the right to defend yourself? I think you called it common sense.

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Tax dollars are mentioned in the city's resolution they drafted, and that's what I am referring to for the sake of this conversation. Regardless, I don't think supporting Palestinian sovereignty or an embargo on the State of Israel has anything to do with antisemitism. Again see Antizionist Jews as an example of how that label doesn't work here...

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Yes it does. Why else would you place an embargo on Israel? They've done nothing but fight back against terrorist that kidnapped, raped and murdered innocent Jews.

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They've been occupying and illegally settling the West Bank and terrorizing Gaza for the last 60 years. They've killed countless civilians, children, journalists, aid workers and accused them all of being terrorists. They're trying to starve what's left of the civilian population. You're free to support that with your time and money. I feel no such obligation.

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They have done no such thing. The only "terror" they have inflicted were retaliatory from ACTUAL terror attacks.

And they are trying to get back hostages from these animals that kidnapped, raped and murdered innocent civilians.

They have a right to fight back when attacked. That's not terror. That's common sense.
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And a government talking about embargos against a country that is actually practicing self-defense shows MASSIVE antisemitism.

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Would you apply this same justification to Palestinians?

Or is it Israeli aggression=noble self defense, Palestinian aggression=terrorism

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Let me try to clear this up.

1. Terrorist invade a country, unprovoked other than being a certain race, kidnap women and children, rape and murder the women, and still have them. - That is called terrorism

2. Country that was invaded and tries to recover the hostages - That is NOT called terrorism

Hope that helps clear that one up.

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Ok but did history begin on October 7 2023? Or do you just outright deny the crimes israel has committed against Palestinians for decades which esteban already laid out.

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Sure.

But the "aggression" cannot be random terrorist acts against civilians.

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Again- does this apply to israel indiscriminately bombing civilian infastructure in gaza since october 7?

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That falls under the "don't pick a fight and then try to hide behind mom's skirt" rule.

"Civilian infrastructure" isn't the same as targeting civilians. Which is exactly (and exclusively) what Hamas did on 10/7/2023.

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Israel has killed orders of magnitude more civilians than enemy combatants since their current war in Gaza began.

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When a country invades another country, rapes and murders their citizens, then, well, you get what is coming.

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OK cool. We have your admission of israeli committing war crimes against palestinians. Weren't you the guy earlier who said if you are attacked you have the right to defend yourself? I think you called it common sense.

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Responding to an act of war with war is defending yourself.

Was San Marcos taxpayer money going to Israel or not? If so, there's no excuse.

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Hamas routinely uses hospitals and schools as locations to launch attacks on civilian targets in Israel, so that attempted deflection is a non-starter.

I'm willing to listen to the aid convoy narrative, but with a very jaundiced eye. Hamas are the worst of the worst.

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I'm deeply skeptical that every hospital and school they have demolished was a Hamas base. Nonetheless, I'm glad you share my reservations about attacking aid convoys. We've seen many cases of clearly marked aid vehicles that Israel approved passage for only to attack them en route. They initially deny these things even happened or blame Hamas, then they admit their "mistake" without holding anyone accountable.

Another insane example was the recent ambush of ambulances that were clearly marked and had their lights on. They executed 15 emergency workers and buried them and their ambulances to cover it up. To my knowledge none of the men responsible have even been reprimanded. When I see the IDF do things like that and lie about it, I naturally start to wonder what else they are lying about.

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Was San Marcos taxpayer money going to Israel or not? If so, there's no excuse.

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I may have missed where San Marcos was passing resolutions complaining about their money going to anywhere else... I am sure a bunch of money is going to China in various ways, and no one but China disputes their human rights abuses, but San Marcos doesn't seem to be too concerned about that.

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Tax dollars are mentioned in the city's resolution they drafted, and that's what I am referring to for the sake of this conversation. Regardless, I don't think supporting Palestinian sovereignty or an embargo on the State of Israel has anything to do with antisemitism. Again see Antizionist Jews as an example of how that label doesn't work here...

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Yes it does. Why else would you place an embargo on Israel? They've done nothing but fight back against terrorist that kidnapped, raped and murdered innocent Jews.

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They've been occupying and illegally settling the West Bank and terrorizing Gaza for the last 60 years. They've killed countless civilians, children, journalists, aid workers and accused them all of being terrorists. They're trying to starve what's left of the civilian population. You're free to support that with your time and money. I feel no such obligation.

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They have done no such thing. The only "terror" they have inflicted were retaliatory from ACTUAL terror attacks.

And they are trying to get back hostages from these animals that kidnapped, raped and murdered innocent civilians.

They have a right to fight back when attacked. That's not terror. That's common sense.
.
And a government talking about embargos against a country that is actually practicing self-defense shows MASSIVE antisemitism.

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Would you apply this same justification to Palestinians?

Or is it Israeli aggression=noble self defense, Palestinian aggression=terrorism

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Let me try to clear this up.

1. Terrorist invade a country, unprovoked other than being a certain race, kidnap women and children, rape and murder the women, and still have them. - That is called terrorism

2. Country that was invaded and tries to recover the hostages - That is NOT called terrorism

Hope that helps clear that one up.

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Ok but did history begin on October 7 2023? Or do you just outright deny the crimes israel has committed against Palestinians for decades which esteban already laid out.

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Sure.

But the "aggression" cannot be random terrorist acts against civilians.

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Again- does this apply to israel indiscriminately bombing civilian infastructure in gaza since october 7?

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That falls under the "don't pick a fight and then try to hide behind mom's skirt" rule.

"Civilian infrastructure" isn't the same as targeting civilians. Which is exactly (and exclusively) what Hamas did on 10/7/2023.

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Israel has killed orders of magnitude more civilians than enemy combatants since their current war in Gaza began.

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When a country invades another country, rapes and murders their citizens, then, well, you get what is coming.

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OK cool. We have your admission of israeli committing war crimes against palestinians. Weren't you the guy earlier who said if you are attacked you have the right to defend yourself? I think you called it common sense.

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Hold on, even as a critic of how this war has transpired, I don't believe the murder, torture and rape of civilians can be even remotely justified.

Hamas is a death cult and should be viewed as such. Exactly HOW they should be effectively be wiped off the planet is the difficult part.

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Hamas routinely uses hospitals and schools as locations to launch attacks on civilian targets in Israel, so that attempted deflection is a non-starter.

I'm willing to listen to the aid convoy narrative, but with a very jaundiced eye. Hamas are the worst of the worst.

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I'm deeply skeptical that every hospital and school they have demolished was a Hamas base. Nonetheless, I'm glad you share my reservations about attacking aid convoys. We've seen many cases of clearly marked aid vehicles that Israel approved passage for only to attack them en route. They initially deny these things even happened or blame Hamas, then they admit their "mistake" without holding anyone accountable.

Another insane example was the recent ambush of ambulances that were clearly marked and had their lights on. They executed 15 emergency workers and buried them and their ambulances to cover it up. To my knowledge none of the men responsible have even been reprimanded. When I see the IDF do things like that and lie about it, I naturally start to wonder what else they are lying about.

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There are going to be mistakes in war. It's unfortunate, yes. But to blame Israel for attempting to stop Hamas, when Hamas' strategy hinges on hiding behind their own people and using their own people as poster material for convincing useful idiots is just validating their doing so.

You want to end civilian deaths in Gaza? Demand Hamas stop hiding behind them and shooting at their neighbors. Your position just makes it worse, because it shows that using women and children as shields is a good strategy for them.

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Tax dollars are mentioned in the city's resolution they drafted, and that's what I am referring to for the sake of this conversation. Regardless, I don't think supporting Palestinian sovereignty or an embargo on the State of Israel has anything to do with antisemitism. Again see Antizionist Jews as an example of how that label doesn't work here...

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Yes it does. Why else would you place an embargo on Israel? They've done nothing but fight back against terrorist that kidnapped, raped and murdered innocent Jews.

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They've been occupying and illegally settling the West Bank and terrorizing Gaza for the last 60 years. They've killed countless civilians, children, journalists, aid workers and accused them all of being terrorists. They're trying to starve what's left of the civilian population. You're free to support that with your time and money. I feel no such obligation.

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They have done no such thing. The only "terror" they have inflicted were retaliatory from ACTUAL terror attacks.

And they are trying to get back hostages from these animals that kidnapped, raped and murdered innocent civilians.

They have a right to fight back when attacked. That's not terror. That's common sense.
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And a government talking about embargos against a country that is actually practicing self-defense shows MASSIVE antisemitism.

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Would you apply this same justification to Palestinians?

Or is it Israeli aggression=noble self defense, Palestinian aggression=terrorism

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Let me try to clear this up.

1. Terrorist invade a country, unprovoked other than being a certain race, kidnap women and children, rape and murder the women, and still have them. - That is called terrorism

2. Country that was invaded and tries to recover the hostages - That is NOT called terrorism

Hope that helps clear that one up.

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Ok but did history begin on October 7 2023? Or do you just outright deny the crimes israel has committed against Palestinians for decades which esteban already laid out.

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Sure.

But the "aggression" cannot be random terrorist acts against civilians.

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Again- does this apply to israel indiscriminately bombing civilian infastructure in gaza since october 7?

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That falls under the "don't pick a fight and then try to hide behind mom's skirt" rule.

"Civilian infrastructure" isn't the same as targeting civilians. Which is exactly (and exclusively) what Hamas did on 10/7/2023.

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Israel has killed orders of magnitude more civilians than enemy combatants since their current war in Gaza began.

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When a country invades another country, rapes and murders their citizens, then, well, you get what is coming.

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OK cool. We have your admission of israeli committing war crimes against palestinians. Weren't you the guy earlier who said if you are attacked you have the right to defend yourself? I think you called it common sense.

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Israel hasn't committed any war crimes.
I personally loved the pager bomb thing. That was classic. But, not a war crime.

How many Hamas terrorists even remain in Gaza at this point? I thought a significant number that survived have fled to other countries by now. Further destruction and killing of civilians in Gaza will just help their recruitment efforts at this point.

So maybe a new strategy is warranted, or I don't feel great about the US funding this anymore

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Tax dollars are mentioned in the city's resolution they drafted, and that's what I am referring to for the sake of this conversation. Regardless, I don't think supporting Palestinian sovereignty or an embargo on the State of Israel has anything to do with antisemitism. Again see Antizionist Jews as an example of how that label doesn't work here...

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Yes it does. Why else would you place an embargo on Israel? They've done nothing but fight back against terrorist that kidnapped, raped and murdered innocent Jews.

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They've been occupying and illegally settling the West Bank and terrorizing Gaza for the last 60 years. They've killed countless civilians, children, journalists, aid workers and accused them all of being terrorists. They're trying to starve what's left of the civilian population. You're free to support that with your time and money. I feel no such obligation.

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They have done no such thing. The only "terror" they have inflicted were retaliatory from ACTUAL terror attacks.

And they are trying to get back hostages from these animals that kidnapped, raped and murdered innocent civilians.

They have a right to fight back when attacked. That's not terror. That's common sense.
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And a government talking about embargos against a country that is actually practicing self-defense shows MASSIVE antisemitism.

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Would you apply this same justification to Palestinians?

Or is it Israeli aggression=noble self defense, Palestinian aggression=terrorism

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Let me try to clear this up.

1. Terrorist invade a country, unprovoked other than being a certain race, kidnap women and children, rape and murder the women, and still have them. - That is called terrorism

2. Country that was invaded and tries to recover the hostages - That is NOT called terrorism

Hope that helps clear that one up.

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Ok but did history begin on October 7 2023? Or do you just outright deny the crimes israel has committed against Palestinians for decades which esteban already laid out.

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Sure.

But the "aggression" cannot be random terrorist acts against civilians.

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Again- does this apply to israel indiscriminately bombing civilian infastructure in gaza since october 7?

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That falls under the "don't pick a fight and then try to hide behind mom's skirt" rule.

"Civilian infrastructure" isn't the same as targeting civilians. Which is exactly (and exclusively) what Hamas did on 10/7/2023.

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Israel has killed orders of magnitude more civilians than enemy combatants since their current war in Gaza began.

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When a country invades another country, rapes and murders their citizens, then, well, you get what is coming.

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OK cool. We have your admission of israeli committing war crimes against palestinians. Weren't you the guy earlier who said if you are attacked you have the right to defend yourself? I think you called it common sense.

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Israel hasn't committed any war crimes.
I personally loved the pager bomb thing. That was classic. But, not a war crime.

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Israels indiscriminate killing of civilians is a war crime. As is the indiscriminate bombing of schools, hospitals, and civilian residences. An the denial of humanitarian aid/killing of humanitarian aid workers.

I am not so naive or egotistical to claim to know the answer to that, especially over those who actually live there. All I know is going back to the way it has been going for decades has got to be a non-starter. In a region full of nothing but a-holes, I have very little sympathy for the plight of the biggest a-hole when they face the finding out of their own f-ing around. Sometimes the only way to get something positive out of a no win situation is to teach your enemy the general lesson of "well, we shouldn't do that again".

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Tax dollars are mentioned in the city's resolution they drafted, and that's what I am referring to for the sake of this conversation. Regardless, I don't think supporting Palestinian sovereignty or an embargo on the State of Israel has anything to do with antisemitism. Again see Antizionist Jews as an example of how that label doesn't work here...

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Yes it does. Why else would you place an embargo on Israel? They've done nothing but fight back against terrorist that kidnapped, raped and murdered innocent Jews.

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They've been occupying and illegally settling the West Bank and terrorizing Gaza for the last 60 years. They've killed countless civilians, children, journalists, aid workers and accused them all of being terrorists. They're trying to starve what's left of the civilian population. You're free to support that with your time and money. I feel no such obligation.

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They have done no such thing. The only "terror" they have inflicted were retaliatory from ACTUAL terror attacks.

And they are trying to get back hostages from these animals that kidnapped, raped and murdered innocent civilians.

They have a right to fight back when attacked. That's not terror. That's common sense.
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And a government talking about embargos against a country that is actually practicing self-defense shows MASSIVE antisemitism.

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Would you apply this same justification to Palestinians?

Or is it Israeli aggression=noble self defense, Palestinian aggression=terrorism

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Let me try to clear this up.

1. Terrorist invade a country, unprovoked other than being a certain race, kidnap women and children, rape and murder the women, and still have them. - That is called terrorism

2. Country that was invaded and tries to recover the hostages - That is NOT called terrorism

Hope that helps clear that one up.

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Ok but did history begin on October 7 2023? Or do you just outright deny the crimes israel has committed against Palestinians for decades which esteban already laid out.

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Sure.

But the "aggression" cannot be random terrorist acts against civilians.

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Again- does this apply to israel indiscriminately bombing civilian infastructure in gaza since october 7?

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That falls under the "don't pick a fight and then try to hide behind mom's skirt" rule.

"Civilian infrastructure" isn't the same as targeting civilians. Which is exactly (and exclusively) what Hamas did on 10/7/2023.

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Israel has killed orders of magnitude more civilians than enemy combatants since their current war in Gaza began.

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When a country invades another country, rapes and murders their citizens, then, well, you get what is coming.

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OK cool. We have your admission of israeli committing war crimes against palestinians. Weren't you the guy earlier who said if you are attacked you have the right to defend yourself? I think you called it common sense.

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Israel hasn't committed any war crimes.
I personally loved the pager bomb thing. That was classic. But, not a war crime.

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Israels indiscriminate killing of civilians is a war crime. As is the indiscriminate bombing of schools, hospitals, and civilian residences. An the denial of humanitarian aid/killing of humanitarian aid workers.

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"indiscriminate"?

Not buying that.

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Israels indiscriminate killing of civilians is a war crime. As is the indiscriminate bombing of schools, hospitals, and civilian residences. An the denial of humanitarian aid/killing of humanitarian aid workers.

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When Hamas attacks its neighbors and does not wear a uniform to distinguish themselves from civilians, and when they hide in schools and hospitals and civilian residences, that in itself is a war crime. Your propaganda is a fail.

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Tax dollars are mentioned in the city's resolution they drafted, and that's what I am referring to for the sake of this conversation. Regardless, I don't think supporting Palestinian sovereignty or an embargo on the State of Israel has anything to do with antisemitism. Again see Antizionist Jews as an example of how that label doesn't work here...

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Yes it does. Why else would you place an embargo on Israel? They've done nothing but fight back against terrorist that kidnapped, raped and murdered innocent Jews.

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They've been occupying and illegally settling the West Bank and terrorizing Gaza for the last 60 years. They've killed countless civilians, children, journalists, aid workers and accused them all of being terrorists. They're trying to starve what's left of the civilian population. You're free to support that with your time and money. I feel no such obligation.

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They have done no such thing. The only "terror" they have inflicted were retaliatory from ACTUAL terror attacks.

And they are trying to get back hostages from these animals that kidnapped, raped and murdered innocent civilians.

They have a right to fight back when attacked. That's not terror. That's common sense.
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And a government talking about embargos against a country that is actually practicing self-defense shows MASSIVE antisemitism.

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Would you apply this same justification to Palestinians?

Or is it Israeli aggression=noble self defense, Palestinian aggression=terrorism

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Let me try to clear this up.

1. Terrorist invade a country, unprovoked other than being a certain race, kidnap women and children, rape and murder the women, and still have them. - That is called terrorism

2. Country that was invaded and tries to recover the hostages - That is NOT called terrorism

Hope that helps clear that one up.

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Ok but did history begin on October 7 2023? Or do you just outright deny the crimes israel has committed against Palestinians for decades which esteban already laid out.

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Sure.

But the "aggression" cannot be random terrorist acts against civilians.

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Again- does this apply to israel indiscriminately bombing civilian infastructure in gaza since october 7?

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That falls under the "don't pick a fight and then try to hide behind mom's skirt" rule.

"Civilian infrastructure" isn't the same as targeting civilians. Which is exactly (and exclusively) what Hamas did on 10/7/2023.

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Israel has killed orders of magnitude more civilians than enemy combatants since their current war in Gaza began.

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When a country invades another country, rapes and murders their citizens, then, well, you get what is coming.

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OK cool. We have your admission of israeli committing war crimes against palestinians. Weren't you the guy earlier who said if you are attacked you have the right to defend yourself? I think you called it common sense.

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Israel hasn't committed any war crimes.
I personally loved the pager bomb thing. That was classic. But, not a war crime.

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Israels indiscriminate killing of civilians is a war crime. As is the indiscriminate bombing of schools, hospitals, and civilian residences. A the denial of humanitarian aid/killing of humanitarian aid workers.

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Indiscriminate doesn't apply cause they're at war

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pagerman @ work said:

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Tax dollars are mentioned in the city's resolution they drafted, and that's what I am referring to for the sake of this conversation. Regardless, I don't think supporting Palestinian sovereignty or an embargo on the State of Israel has anything to do with antisemitism. Again see Antizionist Jews as an example of how that label doesn't work here...

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Yes it does. Why else would you place an embargo on Israel? They've done nothing but fight back against terrorist that kidnapped, raped and murdered innocent Jews.

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They've been occupying and illegally settling the West Bank and terrorizing Gaza for the last 60 years. They've killed countless civilians, children, journalists, aid workers and accused them all of being terrorists. They're trying to starve what's left of the civilian population. You're free to support that with your time and money. I feel no such obligation.

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They have done no such thing. The only "terror" they have inflicted were retaliatory from ACTUAL terror attacks.

And they are trying to get back hostages from these animals that kidnapped, raped and murdered innocent civilians.

They have a right to fight back when attacked. That's not terror. That's common sense.
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And a government talking about embargos against a country that is actually practicing self-defense shows MASSIVE antisemitism.

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Would you apply this same justification to Palestinians?

Or is it Israeli aggression=noble self defense, Palestinian aggression=terrorism

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Let me try to clear this up.

1. Terrorist invade a country, unprovoked other than being a certain race, kidnap women and children, rape and murder the women, and still have them. - That is called terrorism

2. Country that was invaded and tries to recover the hostages - That is NOT called terrorism

Hope that helps clear that one up.

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Ok but did history begin on October 7 2023? Or do you just outright deny the crimes israel has committed against Palestinians for decades which esteban already laid out.

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Sure.

But the "aggression" cannot be random terrorist acts against civilians.

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Again- does this apply to israel indiscriminately bombing civilian infastructure in gaza since october 7?

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That falls under the "don't pick a fight and then try to hide behind mom's skirt" rule.

"Civilian infrastructure" isn't the same as targeting civilians. Which is exactly (and exclusively) what Hamas did on 10/7/2023.

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Israel has killed orders of magnitude more civilians than enemy combatants since their current war in Gaza began.

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When a country invades another country, rapes and murders their citizens, then, well, you get what is coming.

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OK cool. We have your admission of israeli committing war crimes against palestinians. Weren't you the guy earlier who said if you are attacked you have the right to defend yourself? I think you called it common sense.

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Israel hasn't committed any war crimes.
I personally loved the pager bomb thing. That was classic. But, not a war crime.

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Israels indiscriminate killing of civilians is a war crime. As is the indiscriminate bombing of schools, hospitals, and civilian residences. An the denial of humanitarian aid/killing of humanitarian aid workers.

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Well, it's a good thing Israel has done none of that.

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pagerman @ work said:

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Keyno said:

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esteban said:

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Gig em G said:

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Tax dollars are mentioned in the city's resolution they drafted, and that's what I am referring to for the sake of this conversation. Regardless, I don't think supporting Palestinian sovereignty or an embargo on the State of Israel has anything to do with antisemitism. Again see Antizionist Jews as an example of how that label doesn't work here...

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Yes it does. Why else would you place an embargo on Israel? They've done nothing but fight back against terrorist that kidnapped, raped and murdered innocent Jews.

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They've been occupying and illegally settling the West Bank and terrorizing Gaza for the last 60 years. They've killed countless civilians, children, journalists, aid workers and accused them all of being terrorists. They're trying to starve what's left of the civilian population. You're free to support that with your time and money. I feel no such obligation.

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They have done no such thing. The only "terror" they have inflicted were retaliatory from ACTUAL terror attacks.

And they are trying to get back hostages from these animals that kidnapped, raped and murdered innocent civilians.

They have a right to fight back when attacked. That's not terror. That's common sense.
.
And a government talking about embargos against a country that is actually practicing self-defense shows MASSIVE antisemitism.

---

Would you apply this same justification to Palestinians?

Or is it Israeli aggression=noble self defense, Palestinian aggression=terrorism

---

Let me try to clear this up.

1. Terrorist invade a country, unprovoked other than being a certain race, kidnap women and children, rape and murder the women, and still have them. - That is called terrorism

2. Country that was invaded and tries to recover the hostages - That is NOT called terrorism

Hope that helps clear that one up.

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Ok but did history begin on October 7 2023? Or do you just outright deny the crimes israel has committed against Palestinians for decades which esteban already laid out.

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Sure.

But the "aggression" cannot be random terrorist acts against civilians.

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Again- does this apply to israel indiscriminately bombing civilian infastructure in gaza since october 7?

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That falls under the "don't pick a fight and then try to hide behind mom's skirt" rule.

"Civilian infrastructure" isn't the same as targeting civilians. Which is exactly (and exclusively) what Hamas did on 10/7/2023.

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Israel has killed orders of magnitude more civilians than enemy combatants since their current war in Gaza began.

---

When a country invades another country, rapes and murders their citizens, then, well, you get what is coming.

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OK cool. We have your admission of israeli committing war crimes against palestinians. Weren't you the guy earlier who said if you are attacked you have the right to defend yourself? I think you called it common sense.

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Israel hasn't committed any war crimes.
I personally loved the pager bomb thing. That was classic. But, not a war crime.

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Israels indiscriminate killing of civilians is a war crime. As is the indiscriminate bombing of schools, hospitals, and civilian residences. A the denial of humanitarian aid/killing of humanitarian aid workers.

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Well, it's a good thing Israel has done none of that.

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That's not what they said on blue sky and Reddit

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pagerman @ work said:

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Keyno said:

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Keyno said:

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Science Denier said:

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esteban said:

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Science Denier said:

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Gig em G said:

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Tax dollars are mentioned in the city's resolution they drafted, and that's what I am referring to for the sake of this conversation. Regardless, I don't think supporting Palestinian sovereignty or an embargo on the State of Israel has anything to do with antisemitism. Again see Antizionist Jews as an example of how that label doesn't work here...

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Yes it does. Why else would you place an embargo on Israel? They've done nothing but fight back against terrorist that kidnapped, raped and murdered innocent Jews.

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They've been occupying and illegally settling the West Bank and terrorizing Gaza for the last 60 years. They've killed countless civilians, children, journalists, aid workers and accused them all of being terrorists. They're trying to starve what's left of the civilian population. You're free to support that with your time and money. I feel no such obligation.

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They have done no such thing. The only "terror" they have inflicted were retaliatory from ACTUAL terror attacks.

And they are trying to get back hostages from these animals that kidnapped, raped and murdered innocent civilians.

They have a right to fight back when attacked. That's not terror. That's common sense.
.
And a government talking about embargos against a country that is actually practicing self-defense shows MASSIVE antisemitism.

---

Would you apply this same justification to Palestinians?

Or is it Israeli aggression=noble self defense, Palestinian aggression=terrorism

---

Let me try to clear this up.

1. Terrorist invade a country, unprovoked other than being a certain race, kidnap women and children, rape and murder the women, and still have them. - That is called terrorism

2. Country that was invaded and tries to recover the hostages - That is NOT called terrorism

Hope that helps clear that one up.

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Ok but did history begin on October 7 2023? Or do you just outright deny the crimes israel has committed against Palestinians for decades which esteban already laid out.

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Sure.

But the "aggression" cannot be random terrorist acts against civilians.

---

Again- does this apply to israel indiscriminately bombing civilian infastructure in gaza since october 7?

---

That falls under the "don't pick a fight and then try to hide behind mom's skirt" rule.

"Civilian infrastructure" isn't the same as targeting civilians. Which is exactly (and exclusively) what Hamas did on 10/7/2023.

---

Israel has killed orders of magnitude more civilians than enemy combatants since their current war in Gaza began.

---

When a country invades another country, rapes and murders their citizens, then, well, you get what is coming.

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OK cool. We have your admission of israeli committing war crimes against palestinians. Weren't you the guy earlier who said if you are attacked you have the right to defend yourself? I think you called it common sense.

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Israel hasn't committed any war crimes.
I personally loved the pager bomb thing. That was classic. But, not a war crime.

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Israels indiscriminate killing of civilians is a war crime. As is the indiscriminate bombing of schools, hospitals, and civilian residences. A the denial of humanitarian aid/killing of humanitarian aid workers.

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Well, it's a good thing Israel has done none of that.

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That's not what they said on blue sky and Reddit

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Or the Wiki info written by Hamas.

A state or local government should not spend tax dollars on any foreign country and spend that money for addressing state and local issues.

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A state or local government should not spend tax dollars on any foreign country and spend that money for addressing state and local issues.

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They're not.